6/29 Jays vs Sox

[jdc69]

Buehler is another Cora victim. He was doing well before Cora rested him. Buehler was quoted as saying he didn't feel he needed rest. Cora is a pitcher-talent sucker.

[Tedballgame]

2 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

A $21 million dollar dumpster dive 

See if the Dodgers want him if the Sox pay 80% of his remaining salary. Addition by subtraction,

[Tedballgame]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Devers was a self centered prima donna. The team needs a total rebuild from top to bottom if they ever want to compete for a ring again. Players with a crap attitude like Devers aren’t the way to build a good team no matter how talented they are. 
I won’t miss him 

Agreed. He was dead to me when he wouldn't try first base. He was a third baseman for 15 years. He was just sticking it to the Sox.

[dannycater]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Do all our players need to go?

If you have talent on the Sox, apparently the answer is yes

[Tedballgame]

1 hour ago, illinoisredsox said:

As I said to Splendid, from Romy’s view on the field, it had to have looked like the LF had caught the ball; it certainly went into it briefly, so I can see why he went back.  Even if he he had seen it pop out, he would have gotten only to 3rd (Anthony probably is on 2nd in that case), which is exactly where they ended up after the bad throw by the catcher.

If he was halfway looking at the play he could have got back in time if it was caught and scored when it wasn't. Instead, he put his head down and started running back to second when he thought it might be caught, Would have been 5-4 with a man on second. Bad play.

[Thunder]

The other thing that frustrates me about this team is that we are wasting a Cy Young caliber season from Crochet. He is the league leader in strikeouts, and although Skubal, Crochet, and Fried all have a valid case for AL Cy Young, Crochet is deserving nonetheless. And there's no guarantee he'll ever have this good of a season ever again. In fact, statistically speaking, he probably won't. 

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, jad said:

No evidence for this, except that which originated with the front office.

 

Ummm…try to pay attention. Devers was asked by Breslow to play 1B and his response was “no thanks. I’m good”. The team needed him to play 1B and he refused. Definitely not a team player. 

[jad]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Ummm…try to pay attention. Devers was asked by Breslow to play 1B and his response was “no thanks. I’m good”. The team needed him to play 1B and he refused. Definitely not a team player. 

Again, FO version, not Devers' version.  And I don't believe any team-mate has said this.

[Nick]

5 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Kelly is another guy I wouldn’t be sad at all to see go 

No one has come to Devers defense.

[notin]

In the next couple weeks we might see:

C Narvaez

1b Campbell 

2b Story

SS Mayer

3b Bregman 

LF Anthony

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu/Refsnyder

Its not thr ‘27 Yankees, but I think at a minimum, that lineup won’t struggle to score 2 runs or less 6 times a week…

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Again, FO version, not Devers' version.  And I don't believe any team-mate has said this.

Your opinion is fantasy. This is from a simple AI search. But sure....believe whatever you want: 

"Yes, Rafael Devers initially refused to play first base for the Boston Red Sox. He expressed that he wasn't willing to switch positions after being asked to move from third base to designated hitter earlier in the spring, especially after the team signed Alex Bregman. However, he indicated that his refusal was specific to the Red Sox and that he was willing to play first base for the San Francisco Giants, where he was later traded. 

 

Specifically, after Triston Casas' season-ending injury, the Red Sox asked Devers if he would move to first base. He declined, citing the timing of the request and his previous experience at DH. He felt that moving positions again, especially after only two months as a DH, was not a good decision. Devers later clarified that he would have considered playing first base if the Red Sox had asked him at the beginning of spring training. "

 

V

[notin]

11 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Your opinion is fantasy. This is from a simple AI search. But sure....believe whatever you want: 

"Yes, Rafael Devers initially refused to play first base for the Boston Red Sox. He expressed that he wasn't willing to switch positions after being asked to move from third base to designated hitter earlier in the spring, especially after the team signed Alex Bregman. However, he indicated that his refusal was specific to the Red Sox and that he was willing to play first base for the San Francisco Giants, where he was later traded. 

 

Specifically, after Triston Casas' season-ending injury, the Red Sox asked Devers if he would move to first base. He declined, citing the timing of the request and his previous experience at DH. He felt that moving positions again, especially after only two months as a DH, was not a good decision. Devers later clarified that he would have considered playing first base if the Red Sox had asked him at the beginning of spring training. "

 

V

And I would have been more sympathetic towards Devers if they just asked him to play first base out of the blue.  But that he refused to help out when a teammate went down is inexcusable…

[FredLynn]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

And I would have been more sympathetic towards Devers if they just asked him to play first base out of the blue.  But that he refused to help out when a teammate went down is inexcusable…

Exactly. If they just asked him to play there without a good reason I could understand him questioning it. Even so these guys should be willing to play wherever they’re asked to play to the best of their ability. 
There’s just no room for divas on a sports team-especially with a large group of young players who are still learning what it means to be a good teammate at the major league level.

[moonslav59]

Brez wanted Devers to play 1B, and he never did. We know that, for sure.

Either Devers refused, or Cora was too chicken to ask/tell him too. Okay, okay, Cora loves his players and never wanted Devers at 1B, this year, so he just followed his golden heart. It must be that Brez was too chicken to tell Cora to tell Devers to play 1B. (My head is spinning.)

[Hitch]

Devers said he would have played 1B when the time was right. The time was right when we lost our first baseman for the year. He refused. Interesting to see people like Carrabis (who had been on every show in existence for 24 hours after the trade raking the Sox management and venting like crazy) start to say stuff like - "the more Raffy talks, the more I understand why they traded him" after the Giants series.

And none of that excuses Breslow's handling of the situation early doors. Because of both his and Devers' egos, Devers was done, and as a teammate - good riddance. But as a bat, it's killed our already slim chances this year, and if we don't find a way to make up for that, it will end Breslow's time here and sit around his neck throughout his career.

[Old Red]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Brez wanted Devers to play 1B, and he never did. We know that, for sure.

Either Devers refused, or Cora was too chicken to ask/tell him too. Okay, okay, Cora loves his players and never wanted Devers at 1B, this year, so he just followed his golden heart. It must be that Brez was too chicken to tell Cora to tell Devers to play 1B. (My head is spinning.)

Still wha, wha, wha!😂😂😂. So now Cora is chicken. There is statements out there on why Cora didn’t approach Devers about playing 1B, but where is your proof that Cora was chicken?🤔 Your head is always spinning just like the Red Sox. It just just cracks me up that so many think Devers at 1B was a good baseball move.🤭

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

53 minutes ago, Hitch said:

And none of that excuses Breslow's handling of the situation early doors. Because of both his and Devers' egos, Devers was done, and as a teammate - good riddance. But as a bat, it's killed our already slim chances this year, and if we don't find a way to make up for that, it will end Breslow's time here and sit around his neck throughout his career.

If the Sox don't miraculously catch fire in the second half and win more than they lose -- while making the playoffs -- then the Devers saga will always be known as the time a CBO traded a team's best hitter after a five-game winning streak and a span that included beating the Yankees 5 out of 6... the last of which the slugger belted his 31st career home run vs. NY in his final official at bat as Red Sox.

It remains to be seen if Raffy will someday be inducted into the Hall of Fame, like Mookie Betts -- who is a lock. And maybe one of the players Boston received from San Francisco, like Harrison or Tibbs, will have a moment or two to surpass the mediocre paths of Wong and Verdugo. 

But right now, John Henry is assured that his last two choices for CBO from Yale will always be remembered first and foremost as the stiffs who traded away Red Sox stars in their primes and weakened the franchise.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Still wha, wha, wha!😂😂😂. So now Cora is chicken. There is statements out there on why Cora didn’t approach Devers about playing 1B, but where is your proof that Cora was chicken?🤔 Your head is always spinning just like the Red Sox. It just just cracks me up that so many think Devers at 1B was a good baseball move.🤭

He was clearly satirizing the situation.

 

Key word - clearly…

[Bellhorn04]

6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Brez wanted Devers to play 1B, and he never did. We know that, for sure.

Either Devers refused, or Cora was too chicken to ask/tell him too. Okay, okay, Cora loves his players and never wanted Devers at 1B, this year, so he just followed his golden heart. It must be that Brez was too chicken to tell Cora to tell Devers to play 1B. (My head is spinning.)

Devers refused, it's pretty simple.  No need for head spinning.

 

[notin]

51 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

If the Sox don't miraculously catch fire in the second half and win more than they lose -- while making the playoffs -- then the Devers saga will always be known as the time a CBO traded a team's best hitter after a five-game winning streak and a span that included beating the Yankees 5 out of 6... the last of which the slugger belted his 31st career home run vs. NY in his final official at bat as Red Sox.

That’s clearly what we’ll always call it.  At least until the next time…

[jad]

Ah yes, Devers was a bad team-mate, and Terry Francona was a drug addict, and Mookie didn't want to play in Boston, and Manny wasn't a team guy, and Eovaldi and Bogey were greedy and Nomar was selfish and Clemens and Boggs were washed up and and and ...

[Bellhorn04]

55 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

If the Sox don't miraculously catch fire in the second half and win more than they lose -- while making the playoffs -- then the Devers saga will always be known as the time a CBO traded a team's best hitter after a five-game winning streak and a span that included beating the Yankees 5 out of 6... the last of which the slugger belted his 31st career home run vs. NY in his final official at bat as Red Sox.

It remains to be seen if Raffy will someday be inducted into the Hall of Fame, like Mookie Betts -- who is a lock. And maybe one of the players Boston received from San Francisco, like Harrison or Tibbs, will have a moment or two to surpass the mediocre paths of Wong and Verdugo. 

But right now, John Henry is assured that his last two choices for CBO from Yale will always be remembered first and foremost as the stiffs who traded away Red Sox stars in their primes and weakened the franchise.

To me Henry will always be the stiff who traded Betts.

[Hitch]

57 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

If the Sox don't miraculously catch fire in the second half and win more than they lose -- while making the playoffs -- then the Devers saga will always be known as the time a CBO traded a team's best hitter after a five-game winning streak and a span that included beating the Yankees 5 out of 6... the last of which the slugger belted his 31st career home run vs. NY in his final official at bat as Red Sox.

It remains to be seen if Raffy will someday be inducted into the Hall of Fame, like Mookie Betts -- who is a lock. And maybe one of the players Boston received from San Francisco, like Harrison or Tibbs, will have a moment or two to surpass the mediocre paths of Wong and Verdugo. 

But right now, John Henry is assured that his last two choices for CBO from Yale will always be remembered first and foremost as the stiffs who traded away Red Sox stars in their primes and weakened the franchise.

Yeah, hard to argue with much of that. I think Bloom gets somewhat of a pass as it was clearly an instruction from above, but the return he got for that trade, he'll never escape. 

Pretty sad that both Mookie (and Devers if he gets there) will be taking the jerseys of the other teams to the HoF. 

[Bellhorn04]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

He was clearly satirizing the situation.

 

Key word - clearly…

He's not exactly Jonathan Swift or Joseph Heller. 🙃

[Bellhorn04]

24 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Yeah, hard to argue with much of that. I think Bloom gets somewhat of a pass as it was clearly an instruction from above, but the return he got for that trade, he'll never escape. 

The return from the trade stunk, that's for sure, but it'll always be Henry and his cohorts who wouldn't pay up to keep a Hall of Famer in his prime in Boston.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The return from the trade stunk, that's for sure, but it'll always be Henry and his cohorts who wouldn't pay up to keep a Hall of Famer in his prime in Boston.

The craziest part about that IMO is that henry then turned around and ponied up and paid the far inferior player in devers, only to trade him for fodder as well.

[notin]

37 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He's not exactly Jonathan Swift or Joseph Heller. 🙃

So few are.  Maybe just Swift and Heller are …

[dannycater]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Ah yes, Devers was a bad team-mate, and Terry Francona was a drug addict, and Mookie didn't want to play in Boston, and Manny wasn't a team guy, and Eovaldi and Bogey were greedy and Nomar was selfish and Clemens and Boggs were washed up and and and ...

always a narrative on any ex-Sox on the way out the door. Never the Sox front office being blamed enough. Always a Sox exec leaks something too to the media about said ex-Sox. Seems to always be a "leak." ummm....

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, dannycater said:

always a narrative on any ex-Sox on the way out the door. Never the Sox front office being blamed enough. Always a Sox exec leaks something too to the media about said ex-Sox. Seems to always be a "leak." ummm....

I'm not sure this ever happened with Mookie.  There is however a contingent of Sox fans who think Mookie was the one who wanted out.  

[Hitch]

5 minutes ago, dannycater said:

always a narrative on any ex-Sox on the way out the door. Never the Sox front office being blamed enough. Always a Sox exec leaks something too to the media about said ex-Sox. Seems to always be a "leak." ummm....

There was zero need for leaks this time around - everyone did their talking in public, sometimes with glee and no small amount of malice.