Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[Jasonbay44]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

Why did you even bring it up then? 

Everyone here is bit too angry for me. This team is being built for the future and they chose to part way with Devers. $30M per year for DH is over pay. (obviously the TEAM decided to do that).

I'm more concerned with what we do with the savings. I hope we go after another ace. 8 year, $218M for Max Fried ($27.25M annual tax payroll) comparable looks good to me for next year.

Because ownership has become cheap and stupid. They’ve been “building for the future” since trading Mookie 5 years ago. So I’m supposed to be excited that MAYBE year 6 is when the rebuild finally completes??? 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

There are two reports — Cotillo says he didnt and Julian McWilliams of CBS says he did.

Cotillo - with the team everyday 

McWilliams - not with the team everyday anymore, now works for CBS 

I'm going to side with Cotillo on this one. 

[notin]

14 minutes ago, Nick said:

I believe the highest paid 'athlete' is a soccer player. They're not cheap. Heck, $30M is a chump change.

We all like the soccer team conspiracy theories because they 

1. allow Sox fans to position themselves victims to greedy ownership and 

2. parallel history with the Sox franchise and Harry Frazee.

 

But the Boston Red Sox are worth some $4billion (right? Little help?) and likely not being treated as a financial repository for purchasing European soccer players.  I’m sure FSG can support both franchises.  I mean, I assume that soccer team makes money, too, right?

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Because ownership has become cheap and stupid. They’ve been “building for the future” since trading Mookie 5 years ago. So I’m supposed to be excited that MAYBE year 6 is when the rebuild finally completes??? 

This offseason, they'll need to replace Raffy, Chapman, Buehler?, Wilson, Bregman?, Refsnyder and anyone they trade at the deadline. It's an endless rebuild.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

We all like the soccer team conspiracy theories because they 

1. allow Sox fans to position themselves victims to greedy ownership and 

2. parallel history with the Sox franchise and Harry Frazee.

 

But the Boston Red Sox are worth some $4billion (right? Little help?) and likely not being treated as a financial repository for purchasing European soccer players.  I’m sure FSG can support both franchises.  I mean, I assume that soccer team makes money, too, right?

What does a team's Forbes valuation have to do with how the Sox are run year to year? 

[Nick]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

We all like the soccer team conspiracy theories because they 

1. allow Sox fans to position themselves victims to greedy ownership and 

2. parallel history with the Sox franchise and Harry Frazee.

 

But the Boston Red Sox are worth some $4billion (right? Little help?) and likely not being treated as a financial repository for purchasing European soccer players.  I’m sure FSG can support both franchises.  I mean, I assume that soccer team makes money, too, right?

I was being flippant to another poster bringing up the money is needed for the soccer team conspiracy.

Most ownership group, so called a conglomerate, want each entity to stand on their own feet. If my sox has to subsidize the soccer entity, I would dump the soccer team, as JH would. You don't get to become wealthy by carrying losers on your books. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Nick said:

Everyone here is bit too angry for me.

It's the morning after. It's how we were always going to feel. We'll feel a little bit better tomorrow. 

I wasn't going to trash the back patio last night like my daughter threatened to do. 

[dgalehouse]

We probably don't know the whole story here. It could be that Devers has a bad attitude, and they don't want that rubbing off on the young players.  Devers is a very good hitter, but he is not nearly the player that Mookie is. He is being paid more than he is worth.  So, I think folks are overreacting a bit to this trade. There is still a lot of talent on this team. And they just proved that the Yankees are very beatable.  This is no reason to give up on the season. And I don't mean this as a defense of John Henry. I am no fan of his. But I do think Breslow knows what he is doing here.  

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's the morning after. It's how we were always going to feel. We'll feel a little bit better tomorrow. 

I wasn't going to trash the back patio last night like my daughter threatened to do. 

One podcaster that I follow completely went off the deep end last night. He was really hurt and angry.

Just like getting dumped several times, you begin to build resistance. It doesn't hurt me as much. I've hit rock bottom with this team in the past. Sun will come up tomorrow.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What does a team's Forbes valuation have to do with how the Sox are run year to year? 

Does it paint a picture of a financially sound franchise? Or one that needs to sell baseball players to pay for soccer players?

If the latter is true, the Sox sure got lucky that their most expensive player was the one who was not happy, right?  You can only get a certain level of soccer star with the money saved by DFAing Robert Stock…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

But one thing that bothers me (besides this overall trade in general) is the timing.  If the Sox just want to dump his contract, why not wait 6 more weeks and get a better package?  Get the Dodgers involved and pit them against the Giants.  Get the Mets involved on this.  Why do it NOW?

Because the Red Sox are hot!

Imagine if Raffy went on a homer streak and carried them for another couple of weeks as they closed in on the one-player Yankees (who even today only have 5 more wins than the Sox, who have been mediocre for almost three months).

If the rotation suddenly became consistent, with Raffy raking, and Boston got on a roll through say, July 4th, then the front office could never trade his arse.

They wanted him gone asap, and shipping him out will undoubtedly end any notions of contending for 2025.

 

[Nick]

So, I checked my phone last night and I had 2 missed calls. The guy is a Reds fan.

He said you won't believe who just got traded. My first question was, was it to the Pittsburgh Pirates? no, Was it to the Detroit Tigers?, no. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

7 minutes ago, Nick said:

I was being flippant to another poster bringing up the money is needed for the soccer team conspiracy.

Most ownership group, so called a conglomerate, want each entity to stand on their own feet. If my sox has to subsidize the soccer entity, I would dump the soccer team, as JH would. You don't get to become wealthy by carrying losers on your books. 

Umm, if anything, liverpool would subsidize the sox.

liverpool had $825M in revenue for the season that ended in 2024, the sox $574M.

[dannycater]

1 minute ago, dgalehouse said:

We probably don't know the whole story here. It could be that Devers has a bad attitude, and they don't want that rubbing off on the young players.  Devers is a very good hitter, but he is not nearly the player that Mookie is. He is being paid more than he is worth.  So, I think folks are overreacting a bit to this trade. There is still a lot of talent on this team. And they just proved that the Yankees are very beatable.  This is no reason to give up on the season. And I don't mean this as a defense of John Henry. I am no fan of his. But I do think Breslow knows what he is doing here.  

yes, as Raffy's actions will make adult rookies think "oh wow, I can act like an ass? Terrific, I wanted to be in a country club, 25 cabs for 25 guys atmosphere." Grow up, all of you. It's all ********. The Sox were invested to win and then they did 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018...then Henry lost interest and that's the end of it. This was just no different than so many other Sox errors in judgment, errors in communication, errors in what should be the prime directive-winning. Future book is what I'm seeing and it's kick the can down the road (sorry about using that cliche)...they don't want to win. They don't care, they care about making front offices happier than the players on the field.

[dannycater]

19 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Because ownership has become cheap and stupid. They’ve been “building for the future” since trading Mookie 5 years ago. So I’m supposed to be excited that MAYBE year 6 is when the rebuild finally completes??? 

Exactly...this has been a rebuilding year for so many years it's become a running joke. Honestly, and I think most of you fans are pretty great guys and I'm sure made friends on this board and love talking Sox...but it's trades like this and then the reaction of it's always the right thing to do when it's not...it's part of what had me lose interest in this chatroom (again, just me, not criticizing individuals or even the idea of chatroom--go Sox and keep it going)...but it gets old, the narrative with this franchise...why is Breslow the GM? Because the previous few also were Henry way of thinking and it cost them their jobs. Chaim and Breslow are getting directives from Henry. And Henry ultimately is the King--4 Sox titles--and we should all be thankful and to quote someone telling me I can't be critical of the Bruins dumping Marchand---we had our championships and now we are all spoiled brats...what? I don't think so, I like winning and all of our Boston teams should want to win, not find ways to kill viewership or kill fans spirits...Betts was an icon and they wouldn't pay him, but they sure as hell paid Story--you really want that comparison? I don't. I don't care for the high salaries, but Sox invested in Devers...then they screwed it up with him. He was hardly a problem until the Sox communication process and dealings to replace him at 3b became a problem. The Sox were finally playing great baseball--swept Yankees---getting back into WC race--Raffy settled in as best hitter and a DH...nah, let's blow it up....Again.

[Nick]

Yankee starting rotation

Cole, $36M tax payroll through 2028

Rondon, $27M tax payroll through 2028

Fried, $27.25M tax payroll through 2032

They are going with 3 cost controlled starters right now with Cole being out.

This is the 1st line of defense against the Yankees. We have to match them.

Red Sox

Crochet, $28.333M tax payroll through 2026-2031

Bello, $9.167M tax payroll through 2029 (club option 2030)

Dobbins, team controlled through 2030

Kutter, team controlled through 2028

Houck, team controlled through 2027

I don't care how we do it. This group needs upgrading.

With our latest trade, we have $76M in cap space (assuming Bregman does not opt out).

We will lose Buehler, Giolito and Chapman. 

We need Chapman ($30M/2 yrs), and an ace.

We can score enough runs with what we have. Ace before another bat.

Pitching, pitching, pitching.

PS. Of course if we matched Yankees' payroll, we'd have another $70M. Can you imagine if JH tells Bres you got $146M to spend or $309M in total? 

 

[illinoisredsox]

3 hours ago, dannycater said:

Devers first 32 MLB At-Bats, 13 for 32, 3 HR, 2 doubles, 6 RBI 

Anthony first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 3 RBI.

Casas first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 0 RBI

Fred Lynn first 16 MLB At-Bats, 9 for 16, 2 doubles, a triple, 2 HR, 6 RBI

 

Meaningless.

Willie Mays first 26 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 26, 1 HR, 1 RBI

Mike Schmidt hit .206 in a cup of coffee with the Phils in 1972 and followed that up with a .196 his first full year.

Pedroia didn’t light the world on fire his first couple months

On the flip side, Ted Cox went 6 for his first 8, 7 for his first 12 and finished his September call up hitting .368 in 1977.  He lasted 4 full seasons and 272 games in the majors.

The first month or two or even year is hardly predictive.

[dannycater]

"Rafael Devers was one of 14 players who started every game for their team going into the weekend. Of that group, only Aaron Judge and Pete Alonso have a higher OPS".....that was from Sunday notes by Abraham in Globe

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

23 minutes ago, Nick said:

Yankee starting rotation

Cole, $36M tax payroll through 2028

Rondon, $27M tax payroll through 2028

Fried, $27.25M tax payroll through 2032

They are going with 3 cost controlled starters right now with Cole being out.

This is the 1st line of defense against the Yankees. We have to match them.

Red Sox

Crochet, $28.333M tax payroll through 2026-2031

Bello, $9.167M tax payroll through 2029 (club option 2030)

Dobbins, team controlled through 2030

Kutter, team controlled through 2028

Houck, team controlled through 2027

I don't care how we do it. This group needs upgrading.

With our latest trade, we have $76M in cap space (assuming Bregman does not opt out).

We will lose Buehler, Giolito and Chapman. 

We need Chapman ($30M/2 yrs), and an ace.

We can score enough runs with what we have. Ace before another bat.

Pitching, pitching, pitching.

PS. Of course if we matched Yankees' payroll, we'd have another $70M. Can you imagine if JH tells Bres you got $146M to spend or $309M in total? 

 

What do you do if/when bregman opts out?

You know that after the sox traded devers that Scott Boras is licking his chops.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Before the ground ball, he refused to play first base when the team asked him to.  He bad-mouthed the people he works for.  Absolving Devers here is ridiculous IMHO.  He put the team in a terrible position.

OK I'll agree Raffy was a pain in the ass this season.  And I don't like the lack of hustle either. But teams have accepted prima donna behavior from their stars in all sports for a century.  The key is don't get butt hurt, like you are, panic and give away a key to your team for nothing in return.

You appear to be happy that our team has gone from .500 to sucking overnight. All because you are butt hurt that he didn't hustle down the first base line. I would suggest you grow up and look at the bigger picture, we now suck and have no hope for being good again anytime soon.  

 

[mvp 78]

49 minutes ago, notin said:

Does it paint a picture of a financially sound franchise? Or one that needs to sell baseball players to pay for soccer players?

A Forbes valuation doesn't tell us enough to answer either question.

[Nick]

4 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

What do you do if/when bregman opts out?

You know that after the sox traded devers that Scott Boras is licking his chops.

We theoretically have the money and prospect pieces to acquire/trade for needs.

[a700hitter]

This whole fiasco is on the front office.  The communication was botched as badly as could be.  And now they have compounded this by trading their most productive bat for bupkis.  Maybe Harrison needs TJ surgery so he can joint the bridge club with the other invalids.

I can’t remember a season where the FO has throw.n in the towel earlier than June 15th.

Was Giollito a Breslow move?  He should be fired for that.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Nick said:

We theoretically have the money and prospect pieces to acquire/trade for needs.

It's always theoretical when you are constantly rebuilding. 🔨👷‍♂️🏗️🚧

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, a700hitter said:

This whole fiasco is on the front office.  The communication was botched as badly as could be.  And now they have compounded this by trading their most productive bat for bupkis.  Maybe Harrison needs TJ surgery so he can joint the bridge club with the other invalids.

I can’t remember a season where the FO has throw.n in the towel earlier than June 15th.

Was Giollito a Breslow move?  He should be fired for that.

Gio was Breslow. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

5 minutes ago, Nick said:

We theoretically have the money and prospect pieces to acquire/trade for needs.

Yeah, but what 3B are out there to be traded for?

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

OK I'll agree Raffy was a pain in the ass this season.  And I don't like the lack of hustle either. But teams have accepted prima donna behavior from their stars in all sports for a century.  The key is don't get butt hurt, like you are, panic and give away a key to your team for nothing in return.

You appear to be happy that our team has gone from .500 to sucking overnight. All because you are butt hurt that he didn't hustle down the first base line. I would suggest you grow up and look at the bigger picture, we now suck and have no hope for being good again anytime soon.  

 

I suggest you calm down and cool it with the insults.  I'm just expressing my opinion, and there are others who feel the same as I do.  

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

2019 Fire DD, Hire Bloom

2020 Trade Mookie

2022 Xander leaves, Eovaldi leaves

2023 Extend Raffy, Fire Bloom, Hire Breslow, Trade Sale

2025 Trade for Crochet, Extend Crochet, Trade Raffy

2026 Fire Bailey

2027 Fire Breslow, Hire Cora, Trade Crochet (he didn't like the 3rd version of the City Connects)

Add 2025: sign Bregman to the highest AAV in Sox history.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Add 2025: sign Bregman to the highest AAV in Sox history.

And watch him opt-out!

[Nick]

19 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Yeah, but what 3B are out there to be traded for?

We still have Story which means we have Mayer at 3B. He's fine defensively at 3B.

We can find another bat or combination of bats. 1B, 3B, DH spots are open.