Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Do you think he asked to be traded over the weekend?

No. They've been working on this trade for a few weeks apparently. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

No. They've been working on this trade for a few weeks apparently. 

Some reports say he asked for a trade back in Spring Training.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

No. They've been working on this trade for a few weeks apparently. 

Exactly.

If Devers were to ask to be traded, the ideal time would have been that meeting with Henry, right?  Why meet with him otherwise?  To tattle on Breslow?

[dannycater]

Betts trade.

Verdugo four okay seasons as Sox, pretty much not all that.

Downs 6 for 39 as a Sox in 2022, then gone

Connor Wong after a good 2024, 0 RBI in 71 plate appearances this year, .145.

There is your future book.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

They traded a top 10 hitter in his prime for little return.  There is no positive spin to this and people need to just stop with that nonsense.  The reaction around the league makes it pretty clear that the Boston Red Sox got screwed in this trade and it's not even close. 

If you go to the game look up at managment and let your feelings known. If you really cared you'd stop going to the games to send JH a message.

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

39 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

then you're in the very tiny minority. most everyone, including many GMs, think Henry/Breslow got screwed.

Sorry but I have my doubts about this.  

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Exactly.

If Devers were to ask to be traded, the ideal time would have been that meeting with Henry, right?  Why meet with him otherwise?  To tattle on Breslow?

There aren't reports that say he asked for a trade, just that "he considered asking for a trade in ST." It's not the same thing. 

If there's something else out there, post it! 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Sorry but I have my doubts about this.  

 

[Bellhorn04]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

If J.P. is saying that, I'm pretty comfortable.

Looking at it just as talent for talent is dumb anyway.  Obviously we didn't win in terms of talent.

 

 

[Nick]

14 minutes ago, dannycater said:

Betts trade.

Verdugo four okay seasons as Sox, pretty much not all that.

Downs 6 for 39 as a Sox in 2022, then gone

Connor Wong after a good 2024, 0 RBI in 71 plate appearances this year, .145.

There is your future book.

Geez, this was nothing more than a salary dump. Not many teams can take on that contract.

Right or wrong, organization did not want Devers around young players. 

[FredLynn]

36 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Two players that went to making the team better. The Red Sox will be worse off for this deal. Hicks is a relief profile going forward. The other 3 may not have MLB impact in the future. 

Yes, the Red Flops will be worse off for the deal, but the important thing is that the cheapskate owner is going to be much richer as a result! The team is going nowhere this year and if Henry keeps the money he is saving they will be going nowhere for the foreseeable future. I don't mind getting rid of a spoiled malcontent like Devers, but at least they should have gotten some sort of return for him that is reasonable rather than making it look like what it is: a money saving move. No respect for ownership at all. They just don't give a s*** anymore.

Still going FULL THROTTLE ahead?

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If J.P. is saying that, I'm pretty comfortable.

Looking at it just as talent for talent is dumb anyway.  Obviously we didn't win in terms of talent.

 

 

 

And trading your best player who has proven to be consitantly productive year after year because he didn't run out a ground ball is beyond dumb.  

[Nick]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If J.P. is saying that, I'm pretty comfortable.

Looking at it just as talent for talent is dumb anyway.  Obviously we didn't win in terms of talent.

 

 

It's what we do with his $240M 'get' from the balance of his contract will be telling.

Of course I'll be pissed if JH 'pockets' the money and go cheap on us again.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If J.P. is saying that, I'm pretty comfortable.

Looking at it just as talent for talent is dumb anyway.  Obviously we didn't win in terms of talent.

 

 

They won for JH's wallet. That's it. Everything else was a loss. 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

Geez, this was nothing more than a salary dump. Not many teams can take on that contract.

Right or wrong, organization did not want Devers around young players. 

There's plenty wrong when a team with huge revenue continues to trade their best players in salary dumps..  Players who go on to have great success for those teams while the players we got in return sucked.  

How any Sox fan can be OK with this trade is totally baffling to me.  It's as if you still are on board with the Mookie trade.  

 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Yes, the Red Flops will be worse off for the deal, but the important thing is that the cheapskate owner is going to be much richer as a result! The team is going nowhere this year and if Henry keeps the money he is saving they will be going nowhere for the foreseeable future. I don't mind getting rid of a spoiled malcontent like Devers, but at least they should have gotten some sort of return for him that is reasonable rather than making it look like what it is: a money saving move. No respect for ownership at all. They just don't give a s*** anymore.

Still going FULL THROTTLE ahead?

The malcontent was saying "communicate with me and treat me fairly." Other players are going to notice. Players started to not like Bloom here. More players will tune out Breslow and that is going to impact Cora more and more. The whole organization is on a bad path with their bad culture. It rots from the top down (JH). 

[Jasonbay44]

Let’s look at the positives. At least John Henry saved more money for his soccer team. That’s all that really matters anyway, right? 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

There's plenty wrong when a team with huge revenue continues to trade their best players in salary dumps..  Players who go on to have great success for those teams while the players we got in return sucked.  

How any Sox fan can be OK with this trade is totally baffling to me.  It's as if you still are on board with the Mookie trade.  

 

I think the Mookie trade was bit more complicated than Devers'. Mookie was becoming a FA, Devers was not.

After the great championship year in 2018, JH went ahead and spent more money for 2019.

On paper, our starting rotation was rock solid. Unfortunately the group imploded. I think JH was jilted that year. He did not want to sign over 30 pitchers to a long term contract but he did it anyway.

I really think that JH is looking for the Rays model with extra $100M in spending. Rightfully or wrongfully, I think that's where we're at......

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

 

And trading your best player who has proven to be consitantly productive year after year because he didn't run out a ground ball is beyond dumb.  

Before the ground ball, he refused to play first base when the team asked him to.  He bad-mouthed the people he works for.  Absolving Devers here is ridiculous IMHO.  He put the team in a terrible position.

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Let’s look at the positives. At least John Henry saved more money for his soccer team. That’s all that really matters anyway, right? 

I believe the highest paid 'athlete' is a soccer player. They're not cheap. Heck, $30M is a chump change.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, Nick said:

I believe the highest paid 'athlete' is a soccer player. They're not cheap. Heck, $30M is a chump change.

Don't say that! 😉

[jdc69]

1 minute ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

 

And trading your best player who has proven to be consitantly productive year after year because he didn't run out a ground ball is beyond stupid.  

I don't know Devers, so I cant judge him 100% but I KNOW the organization has been stupid so am giving Devers the benefit of the doubt, even considering his actions.

[mvp 78]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

Exactly.

If Devers were to ask to be traded, the ideal time would have been that meeting with Henry, right?  Why meet with him otherwise?  To tattle on Breslow?

There's no reports that state he asked for a trade though. The reports only say that he considered asking for a trade in ST. Anything else is just you speculating so that you can make your point. 

[Nick]

7 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

There's plenty wrong when a team with huge revenue continues to trade their best players in salary dumps..  Players who go on to have great success for those teams while the players we got in return sucked.  

How any Sox fan can be OK with this trade is totally baffling to me.  It's as if you still are on board with the Mookie trade.  

 

No I was not, but I'm just a fan. I don't control John Henry. I pay $150 per year to watch my Sox play on the MLB network. When they suck, I just turn off the TV.

This team is definitely rostered incorrectly. We still have too many outfielders. I'm happy with Crochet and Bregman signings. So there's that.......it's too bad we snuck in Bregman at 3B without informing Devers. I would have handle it differently.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Nick said:

I think the Mookie trade was bit more complicated than Devers'. Mookie was becoming a FA, Devers was not.

After the great championship year in 2018, JH went ahead and spent more money for 2019.

On paper, our starting rotation was rock solid. Unfortunately the group imploded. I think JH was jilted that year. He did not want to sign over 30 pitchers to a long term contract but he did it anyway.

I really think that JH is looking for the Rays model with extra $100M in spending. Rightfully or wrongfully, I think that's where we're at......

They should be copying the Dodgers model. The Dodgers spend AND have a good farm. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Let’s look at the positives. At least John Henry saved more money for his soccer team. That’s all that really matters anyway, right? 

All about those consolidated financials for FSG I guess. 

[Jasonbay44]

5 minutes ago, Nick said:

I believe the highest paid 'athlete' is a soccer player. They're not cheap. Heck, $30M is a chump change.

And I’m supposed to care why? I’m not a soccer fan. I don’t care if John Henry is struggling to build a soccer contender. If he can’t afford to make all the teams he owns competitive, sell the Sox to someone who will. 

[notin]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

There aren't reports that say he asked for a trade, just that "he considered asking for a trade in ST." It's not the same thing. 

If there's something else out there, post it! 

There are two reports — Cotillo says he didnt and Julian McWilliams of CBS says he did.  If you choose one over the other, why? Both are credible sources.  And both may even be correct, depending on the context.  
 

But one thing that bothers me (besides this overall trade in general) is the timing.  If the Sox just want to dump his contract, why not wait 6 more weeks and get a better package?  Get the Dodgers involved and pit them against the Giants.  Get the Mets involved on this.  Why do it NOW?  Just calling them incompetent and impatient is just trying to support alternate theories with theoretical evidence (and circular logic).

I agree that Devers was selfish, but this was a situation that could and should have been managed from the start.  That it came down to this and did so at this time tells me all parties wanted it done ASAP.  And that does include Devers…

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Jasonbay44 said:

And I’m supposed to care why? I’m not a soccer fan. I don’t care if John Henry is struggling to build a soccer contender. If he can’t afford to make all the teams he owns competitive, sell the Sox to someone who will. 

Why did you even bring it up then? 

Everyone here is bit too angry for me. This team is being built for the future and they chose to part way with Devers. $30M per year for DH is over pay. (obviously the TEAM decided to do that).

I'm more concerned with what we do with the savings. I hope we go after another ace. 8 year, $218M for Max Fried ($27.25M annual tax payroll) comparable looks good to me for next year.

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, notin said:

There are two reports — Cotillo says he didnt and Julian McWilliams of CBS says he did.  If you choose one over the other, why? Both are credible sources.  And both may even be correct, depending on the context.  
 

But one thing that bothers me (besides this overall trade in general) is the timing.  If the Sox just want to dump his contract, why not wait 6 more weeks and get a better package?  Get the Dodgers involved and pit them against the Giants.  Get the Mets involved on this.  Why do it NOW?  Just calling them incompetent and impatient is just trying to support alternate theories with theoretical evidence (and circular logic).

I agree that Devers was selfish, but this was a situation that could and should have been managed from the start.  That it came down to this and did so at this time tells me all parties wanted it done ASAP.  And that does include Devers…

I expect the Giants made a big push to get it done, and Breslow decided it was about as good an offer as was coming.  Not that many teams could even afford to take on Devers's contract.