Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[dannycater]

Just now, illinoisredsox said:

Two things can be true at the same time.  Nomar wanted more money; the Sox didn’t want to pay him premium $ for what they (correctly) viewed as waning performance. 

The impasse led Nomar to pout through the first 4 months of the 2004 season, culminating with the series in NY when Jeter went into the stands to make a catch while Nomar sat out with some mysterious injury.

The rest was history.

Well don't forget the famous Nomar/Manny was this close to being traded and ARod was coming to town. Agreed multiple things going on, but I'm pretty sure Theo indicated that it was Nomar's defense that concerned him the most when he pulled off the trade. That was the overriding reason to get Cabrera...and it worked.

[jdc69]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yeah, he got mixed messaging. THE STAR PLAYER OF THE TEAM WAS GIVEN MIXED MESSAGING. Fire Breslow for being inept. They've punted on the season, but some posters are happy about it because a player who didn't smile enough was traded.

I agree. They spend all that time going after Soto but not a peep about Alonso. Getting Alonso wouldve solved RHB problem, kept Raffy at 3rd, Yoshida DH, and still had room for all the prospects. D wouldve been meh but O wouldve been dynamite. Or why didn't they pull the trigger on trading Casas to Seattle for pitching? Getting Bregman seems like picking last girl at the bar at closing time, desperate, not thought out.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

But Cora's eye roll (which I didn't see but others reported) said differently.

Oh no! Maybe Devers told him "my groin is bothering me" and Cora was like "oh yeah." 

You're already mad at Devers for other stuff, just needed something else to pile on. I get it. 

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The team is going in reverse, but they'll keep trotting out the cost savings to Henry and how they'll be in on guys in the future with PAYROLL FLEXIBLITY (we know how great they've been in the FA market in recent years) and wait for cheap prospects to do the heavy lifting. It's a big market ballclub trying to thread the needle that the Cincinnati Reds have to thread. Why? It makes no sense.

Good luck, but this team isn't going to win another WS for a looooong time. It won't be with Anthony, Mayer or any of these guys. Not because they aren't good enough, but because JH's head is so far up his backside that they won't build the right foundation of a winning team.

I'm a little surprised by how negative a lot of people are feeling about the team today.  They just won 7 out of 9 against the Yankees and Rays. 

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Oh no! Maybe Devers told him "my groin is bothering me" and Cora was like "oh yeah." 

You're already mad at Devers for other stuff, just needed something else to pile on. I get it. 

I just don't believe this is something the team actually wanted to do.  I think Raffy made this happen. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, jdc69 said:

I agree. They spend all that time going after Soto but not a peep about Alonso. Getting Alonso wouldve solved RHB problem, kept Raffy at 3rd, Yoshida DH, and still had room for all the prospects. D wouldve been meh but O wouldve been dynamite. Or why didn't they pull the trigger on trading Casas to Seattle for pitching? Getting Bregman seems like picking last girl at the bar at closing time, desperate, not thought out.

I think Breggie was a good get, but only because it was short term. He's a guy that may not age well and has had injury issues. Well, the injury issues cropped up again this year. The 6-7 year deal would have been too much for him IMO. 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

So fans are butt hurt at a perceived lack of hustle.  Meanwhile this team will struggle to score runs and Raffy will blow up in San Francisco.  Get over your hurt feelings and take a look at how your team got much worse, with little return, literally overnight right after he hit a huge HR.  

[notin]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

But Cora's eye roll (which I didn't see but others reported) said differently.

Or his eye roll meant “ come on! I’ve answered that four times today already!”

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised by how negative a lot of people are feeling about the team today.  They just won 7 out of 9 against the Yankees and Rays. 

Yeah, but their best hitter was part of that. He now no longer is.

There is a chance this deflates the clubhouse. Might do the opposite, too, of course. 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised by how negative a lot of people are feeling about the team today.  They just won 7 out of 9 against the Yankees and Rays. 

Take a look at the numbers of the starters and key reserves, then tell me how winning will be sustainable with this pathetic lineup..  

[Hitch]

Just now, notin said:

Or his eye roll meant “ come on! I’ve answered that four times today already!”

It was during the game, no? (I might have this wrong, I've not seen it, either).

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Or his eye roll meant “ come on! I’ve answered that four times today already!”

The reported eye roll was when Devers didn't run to first.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

Take a look at the numbers of the starters and key reserves, then tell me how winning will be sustainable with this pathetic lineup..  

It's mainly about how the pitching holds up.

[jdc69]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think Breggie was a good get, but only because it was short term. He's a guy that may not age well and has had injury issues. Well, the injury issues cropped up again this year. The 6-7 year deal would have been too much for him IMO. 

Sure, HE'S great but how he fit in with what we already had was a total cluster ****. He's not good enough to also cover the loss of Devers.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It's mainly about how the pitching holds up.

Think they are capable of winnng 2-1 games all season?  Because that will be what will be required as this lineup is pathetic.   Please present an argument that a lineup like this can be a playoff team.  

 

The Giants are correct. They gave up nothing and acquired one of the top 10 hitters in baseball.  The league is lauging at us, we just made Garrett Cole smile.  Think about that.

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

I just don't believe this is something the team actually wanted to do.  I think Raffy made this happen. 

They most certainly wanted to get out from under the contract. Once he was at DH, they wanted cost savings. When JH went to have that summit, it was all over for everyone involved. They were on a trajectory of Devers leaving. JH is never around the team anymore. He was on the field today. He wanted the deal done. I've said all along just watch the last little bit of Moneyball. That's where JH still is. His valuation of players is far behind where the market is. 

Breslow just had no interest in doing his job and communicating to his players this offseason. He lied to Devers and told him that there was nothing to worry about with Bregman. Then they signed Bregman and still didn't talk to Devers about what the plans were. Crazy!!! Devers gets to ST and nobody has spoken with him about what the plans are. They finally talk to Devers (after the media gets to him LOLOLOL) and he moves to DH telling him to not worry about playing the field this year. Surprise surprise, they need to backtrack on that. Why should Devers all of a sudden run to 1B to play a position he's never played? They asked him to be DH. He didn't have a relationship with Breslow because Breslow never initiated. This issue won't be just a Raffy thing with Breslow. It'll happen with other vets and the young guys and FA that they want to sign. When Breslow can't communicate, it's going to negatively impact the Boston Red Sox.

[dannycater]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I just don't believe this is something the team actually wanted to do.  I think Raffy made this happen. 

LMFAO...hey he didn't put a gun to anyone's head...you can always say no, you are a Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm a little surprised at how many are backing Devers.  He refused to play first base, he didn't hustle down the line, he's making $31 million a year, he's the good guy?

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

So fans are butt hurt at a perceived lack of hustle.  Meanwhile this team will struggle to score runs and Raffy will blow up in San Francisco.  Get over your hurt feelings and take a look at how your team got much worse, with little return, literally overnight right after he hit a huge HR.  

Get to look forward to the MLB draft now! Maybe a higher pick next year!!! 😎

[dannycater]

2 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

So fans are butt hurt at a perceived lack of hustle.  Meanwhile this team will struggle to score runs and Raffy will blow up in San Francisco.  Get over your hurt feelings and take a look at how your team got much worse, with little return, literally overnight right after he hit a huge HR.  

You can bet the Giants fans are buying Devers Giants jerseys asap. Great acquisition

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised at how many are backing Devers.  He refused to play first base, he didn't hustle down the line, he's making $31 million a year, he's the good guy?

Why should I be bothered about his contract? 

[mvp 78]

Just now, dannycater said:

You can bet the Giants fans are buying Devers Giants jerseys asap. Great acquisition

100%. They don't deserve him because they are awful fans, but whatever. 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

Think they are capable of winnng 2-1 games all season?  Because that will be what will be required as this lineup is pathetic.   Please present an argument that a lineup like this can be a playoff team.  

a) They're 5th in MLB in runs scored per game.

b) Bregman will be back.

c) Hopefully Anthony and Mayer will contribute.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Why should I be bothered about his contract? 

Because the $31 mill can be spent elsewhere now.  

[notin]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised by how negative a lot of people are feeling about the team today.  They just won 7 out of 9 against the Yankees and Rays. 

And they acquired a (soon to be) 24 yo SP with a BA Top 100 pedigree who is under control through 2029, one of the hardest throwing pitchers in MLB, and they acquired a 13th overall pick from 2024.

But there is no denying this team is worse than it was 24 hours ago…

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They most certainly wanted to get out from under the contract. Once he was at DH, they wanted cost savings. When JH went to have that summit, it was all over for everyone involved.

It's easy to say this with hindsight. Nobody thought this was coming a week ago. 

[dannycater]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised at how many are backing Devers.  He refused to play first base, he didn't hustle down the line, he's making $31 million a year, he's the good guy?

No, he's the guy who the franchise invested money in and told him he's our 3rd baseman. That was what he bargained for, and yes while his defense was questionable, the way everything has been handled from Breslow's terrible communication skills (Devers should speak in English or learn language--separate issue) to the about face the Sox made the moment Travis got injured--he may not be the "good guy" but he isn't the bad guy you and others will portray and use as a narrative.

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, dannycater said:

LMFAO...hey he didn't put a gun to anyone's head...you can always say no, you are a Sox.

Nomar didn't pull any guns either.  But that trade was absolutely the right move and worked out pretty good as I recall...

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, notin said:

And they acquired a (soon to be) 24 yo SP with a BA Top 100 pedigree who is under control through 2029, one of the hardest throwing pitchers in MLB, and they acquired a 13th overall pick from 2024.

But there is no denying this team is worse than it was 24 hours ago…

You're certainly right on that.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

a) They're 5th in MLB in runs scored per game.

b) Bregman will be back.

c) Hopefully Anthony and Mayer will contribute.

You and I have watched them all season.  We both know that number is skewed, they had a few big run scoring games but they score 3 or less far far more often.

And of course with 53 RBIs in 72 games Raffy was a big reason for that run total, something you refuse to acknowledge even afer it has been pointed out to you.  Raffy, Bregman and for a month Campbell and Ayala have been the most productive everyday players in that entire lineup.  Now none of them are playing or productive.