Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[Tedballgame]

4 hours ago, dannycater said:

Betts trade.

Verdugo four okay seasons as Sox, pretty much not all that.

Downs 6 for 39 as a Sox in 2022, then gone

Connor Wong after a good 2024, 0 RBI in 71 plate appearances this year, .145.

There is your future book.

Weissert and Fitts for Verdugo

[Kimmi]

54 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

" A waste of Crochet and Bregman"?  How so? Does that mean you think the season is over? We just saw how the Sox can handle the overrated Yankees. And there are several good options to DH.  Losing Devers and his attitude is not the end of the season. Not at all. 

Personally, I haven't given up on the division yet, but we are only 0.5 games out of a wildcard spot.  The season is far from over.

No single bat is likely to replace Devers' production, but we now have some financial flexibility and some roster flexibility.  Not to mention a likely  improved clubhouse atmosphere.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

As far as I recall, Papi had always been a huge fan/supporter of Devers.  For him to say this is saying something.  He speaks the truth.

Good point. I think this goes beyond the different position issues, the dogging it, the lack of team comradery and less "smiling." The little and bigger things started adding up to the point where trading him made more sense than keeping him. The $31M for a forever DH was a major factor, too, IMO.

[Nick]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Soxprospects,com projects Tibbs to be ranked 6-8 on their rankings list. They mentioned how the Sox were interested in him, last summer, and how he was taken right after Montgomery.

Several reports mention the high upside potential of K Harrison and the low level pitching prospect, J Bello.

They were very surprised Montgomery dropped down to #12. Sox has done a good job with Dobbins. He appears to be a keeper right now. 

We still have Houck, Kutter and possibly a late addition in Patrick Sandoval.

[Hitch]

3 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

And I’m supposed to care why? I’m not a soccer fan. I don’t care if John Henry is struggling to build a soccer contender. If he can’t afford to make all the teams he owns competitive, sell the Sox to someone who will. 

People need to give this s*** a rest. It's beyond childish and utterly lacking in facts. 

The football team is a separate entity that runs off its own financials successes or failures. Money is not sliding over from the Red Sox.

[jdc69]

13 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

Alonso really didn’t want to leave the Mets.  Given what they paid for Soto, I think they would have outbid the Sox for Alonso as well.

Yeah, well Alonso got $54 million for two years and Bregman $120 for 3 years so that's not true. Alonso was ripe for the taking because he turned down the Mets qualifying offer of $70 million and got less.

EDIT - Not qualifying offer but extension.

[Hitch]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Cotillo - with the team everyday 

McWilliams - not with the team everyday anymore, now works for CBS 

I'm going to side with Cotillo on this one. 

You've also been quick to comment that Cotillo knows little in the past tbf.

[Kimmi]

50 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Doesn't say a lot for their managerial style, that's for sure. 

Perhaps.  Or perhaps it doesn't say a lot for Devers' attitude.  We really don't know.

I'm not trying to bash Devers.  I really liked having him on our team.  I was really unhappy with his refusal to play 1B, though.  I conceded that the FO could have handled the situation a lot better, but Devers could have handled it a lot better too.  As a player in the clubhouse, he has to put his hurt feelings aside and think of his teammates first.

[Jasonbay44]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

People need to give this s*** a rest. It's beyond childish and utterly lacking in facts. 

The football team is a separate entity that runs off its own financials successes or failures. Money is not sliding over from the Red Sox.

Regardless if it is or not. This is a big market team that isn’t acting like it with the way they spend money. We shouldn’t be happy they’re “shedding salary.” Does shedding Devers contract give us cheaper ticket prices or anything? Absolutely f***ing not. 

[notin]

4 minutes ago, Hitch said:

People need to give this s*** a rest. It's beyond childish and utterly lacking in facts. 

The football team is a separate entity that runs off its own financials successes or failures. Money is not sliding over from the Red Sox.

Also pretending either entity is supported by Henry’s personal bank account

[notin]

9 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

Personally, I haven't given up on the division yet, but we are only 0.5 games out of a wildcard spot.  The season is far from over.

No single bat is likely to replace Devers' production, but we now have some financial flexibility and some roster flexibility.  Not to mention a likely  improved clubhouse atmosphere.

I don’t know what the clubhouse was like before or will be like tomorrow, but I certainly can see a downside on this trade as it put a massive Stop sign in front of their recent surge…

[Nick]

I figure Giolito has 17 starts left. He needs to average 6 innings per start to get to the magic 140 innings to pick up next year's option. Hell, he may not even care. If he's healthy he may get a better deal elsewhere regardless.

[Hitch]

4 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Regardless if it is or not. This is a big market team that isn’t acting like it with the way they spend money. We shouldn’t be happy they’re “shedding salary.” Does shedding Devers contract give us cheaper ticket prices or anything? Absolutely f***ing not. 

These are different points and ones I agree with you on. 

I do believe they will spend the money, but it will be next year. Which does little to help us this year.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, notin said:

I don’t know what the clubhouse was like before or will be like tomorrow, but I certainly can see a downside on this trade as it put a massive Stop sign in front of their recent surge…

I would love to pin down Bregman. He clearly would be the leader in the clubhouse. Young kids already look up to him.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I think the Sox will continue to win without Devers. They are playing with a renewed confidence. 

My initial gut reaction was this was a punt on 2025, and I still think it will be very difficult to overcome the hole in our line-up, but we do have a lot of young talent that could gives us a big boost. We have some very good talent on the IL that will start trickling back onto the 26 over the next few weeks and months. We have quite a few players who have not quite met expectations, so far, but with about 60% of the season remaining, still have time to right their ships.

We've finally seemed to find a reliable top 3 SP'ers in Crochet, Bello & Dobbins and the guys we expected to be our #2 and #3 are or will be in the mix to come closer to our preseason expectations: Buehler, Houck and maybe Crawford & Sandoval in a month or two. (I don't have faith in Gio, but he could surprise us.)

Maybe Hicks and Harrison do better than Paxton, Luis Garcia and Lucas Sims gave us in 2024. I'm not sure Yoshida gives us anything good, this year, at DH, but even if he doesn't the DH slot allows us to free up at least one logjam, going forward.

We've been winning without Bregman, so maybe we can count on his bat replacing Devers'.

Thanks for getting me back on a more optimistic path.

[Larry Cook]

16 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I think the Sox will continue to win without Devers. They are playing with a renewed confidence. 

Great starting pitching makes winning games easier 

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t know what the clubhouse was like before or will be like tomorrow, but I certainly can see a downside on this trade as it put a massive Stop sign in front of their recent surge…

It really feels like it. I cant see anything but a slide back under 500. Would be quite something if it goes the other way, mind you.

[notin]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

I would love to pin down Bregman. He clearly would be the leader in the clubhouse. Young kids already look up to him.

Why? 
 

He got his ring in one of the biggest scandals in the history of the sport and then got all whiny when fans held it against him.

Granted, seven years ago.  But Bregman can limit himself to playing and not leading…

[Nick]

Starter watch...

Crochet, Bello, Dobbins, Buehler, Giolito, Kutter, Houck, Harrison, Fitts, Criswell, Sandoval, Tolle

[jdc69]

3 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Regardless if it is or not. This is a big market team that isn’t acting like it with the way they spend money. We shouldn’t be happy they’re “shedding salary.” Does shedding Devers contract give us cheaper ticket prices or anything? Absolutely f***ing not. 

 And that is why I'm more on Devers side. I think he knows the owners dont care for or respect the players or the fans for that matter and is using the power he has to his advantage. 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Why? 
 

He got his ring in one of the biggest scandals in the history of the sport and then got all whiny when fans held it against him.

Granted, seven years ago.  But Bregman can limit himself to playing and not leading…

Well I see it with my own eyes. While Devers sits on the back bench usually by himself, I saw our three rookies clamoring all over Bregman. Maybe he's easily approachable.

I am not here to argue with you. 

If I follow your logic, then why do we have a cheater as our manager?

 

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It really feels like it. I cant see anything but a slide back under 500. Would be quite something if it goes the other way, mind you.

On the bright side, no more wondering how to get Roman Anthony’s bat into the lineup…

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Nick said:

Well I see it with my own eyes. While Devers sits on the back bench usually by himself, I saw our three rookies clamoring all over Bregman. Maybe he's easily approachable.

I am not here to argue with you. 

If I follow your logic, then why do we have a cheater as our manager?

 

I haven’t been the biggest Cora supporter either.  In fact, I think Breslow should have fired Cora and kept Devers.

I don’t like Devers’ attitude.  But I do like his bat…

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Nick said:

I would love to pin down Bregman. He clearly would be the leader in the clubhouse. Young kids already look up to him.

I keep hearing how the opt out clauses in the Bregman signing somehow makes the spending effort put forth by Brez and JH, null and void. The guy has $40M on the table for 2026 and 2027. That's not chump change, and it also gives the Sox an incentive to try and restructure it to a more guaranteed control situation for both sides.

I think there were doubts about Bregman's recent decline on offense. I think he answered those doubts a little bit, although maybe injury risk is higher, now.

In short, we can probably sign Bregman to more years and a lower AAV than $40M- maybe $35M x 3 years, or $32.5M x 4-5 years. If we spend up to the line,in theory, we could sign Cease (solid #2 SP), Helsley (Closer) and Naylor (1B-LHB) Maybe we trade some blocked prospects for another solid SPer. (Arias or Romero plus Bleis or Jh Garcia. Maybe add Cespedes, Tibbs or a pitching prospect to upgrade the return.)

[Kimmi]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t know what the clubhouse was like before or will be like tomorrow, but I certainly can see a downside on this trade as it put a massive Stop sign in front of their recent surge…

Obviously, none of knows what the clubhouse is like.  Maybe they're relieved and renewed by having Devers being gone, maybe they're completely bummed.  I guess we'll see.  I am almost certain that Devers will hurt us in the upcoming series against San Fran, because that's just the way these things go.  LOL

We scored a lot of runs in the first Yankees series, but in the current 5-game win streak, we've averaged 3 runs/game.  There's no stop sign.  As they say, momentum is only as good as your next day's starter.

 

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Nick said:

Well I see it with my own eyes. While Devers sits on the back bench usually by himself, I saw our three rookies clamoring all over Bregman. Maybe he's easily approachable.

I am not here to argue with you. 

If I follow your logic, then why do we have a cheater as our manager?

 

Bregman is known for offering meaningful advice that players have credited him for helping them improve. He also went and learned Spanish, so he could talk to the many Hispanic players on his team.

People make mistakes. I know I have. I'm glad those around me forgave me and allowed me to show I can change and do more good things, while still making new mistakes.

I certainly want Bregman back.

[Jasonbay44]

10 minutes ago, Hitch said:

These are different points and ones I agree with you on. 

I do believe they will spend the money, but it will be next year. Which does little to help us this year.

But will they spend money on anything good? They’ve been promising us they’re trying to win and I had to listen to how much money they’re saving by trading Mookie Betts for a pile of s***. What was that money used for? A bunch of injured pitchers like Hendriks, Giolito? A bunch of old washed guys like Kluber? The big signing of Trevor Story? It’s getting tiring hearing the same every year.

We’ll see what happens in the off season but this move is a clear punting of the 2025 season and leaves a huge hole in the lineup for now and the future. 

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

Obviously, none of knows what the clubhouse is like.  Maybe they're relieved and renewed by having Devers being gone, maybe they're completely bummed.  I guess we'll see.  I am almost certain that Devers will hurt us in the upcoming series against San Fran, because that's just the way these things go.  LOL

We scored a lot of runs in the first Yankees series, but in the current 5-game win streak, we've averaged 3 runs/game.  There's no stop sign.  As they say, momentum is only as good as your next day's starter.

 

Cotillo and McAdams mentioned a while back that there were players who were not happy with Devers not taking 1st and helping the team and players who were backing Devers. I'd love to know the split on those numbers.

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

But will they spend money on anything good? They’ve been promising us they’re trying to win and I had to listen to how much money they’re saving by trading Mookie Betts for a pile of s***. What was that money used for? A bunch of injured pitchers like Hendriks, Giolito? A bunch of old washed guys like Kluber? The big signing of Trevor Story? It’s getting tiring hearing the same every year.

We’ll see what happens in the off season but this move is a clear punting of the 2025 season and leaves a huge hole in the lineup for now and the future. 

This is the worry. I do trust that they now think the team is set for a while (in terms of the youth graduating and us being in a place to go for it) and that they will spend to add to this. Whether they get it right is a whole other matter. 

[Bellhorn04]

35 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I think the Sox will continue to win without Devers. They are playing with a renewed confidence. 

Pitching is the key.  The Yankees series demonstrated that.