Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[Duran Is The Man]

40 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Because the $31 mill can be spent elsewhere now.  

on broken-down, rehabbing, washed-up has beens. you know that's where it'll go.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

I think it's the analytics guys. They don't see players as people but as sets of skills they can put in and take out as needed. The money and being nice is supposed to smooth over any hurt feelings.

It's frustrating because I think you need to be able to do both: understand the analytics and see that the players are actual human beings that don't function as 0's and 1's in a program or on a spreadsheet. Cold weather impacts performance. Bad managers impact performance. Not being happy where you live impacts your performance. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He's not going to listen to you about defense, moon. 

Not even this?

Fldg %

.988 Abreu

.985 Duran

[mvp 78]

41 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Because the $31 mill can be spent elsewhere now.  

They aren't going to spend that this year. They spent that on one of the best hitters in MLB. With their history, that money is not going to be wisely spent. You know this. The cost to replace his production? 30M or more! 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Not even this?

Fldg %

.988 Abreu

.985 Duran

You'll see. Don't waste your time. 

[dannycater]

Just now, Duran Is The Man said:

on broken-down, rehabbing, washed-up has beens. you know that's where it'll go.

Story, Sandoval, Crawford, some of the Tommy John surgery pitchers...Sox always choose what's out there over what's here. It's tradition....don't forget the love affair over guys like Rusney Castillo and Yoshida--gotta have them at all costs!! 

[mvp 78]

2019 Fire DD, Hire Bloom

2020 Trade Mookie

2022 Xander leaves, Eovaldi leaves

2023 Extend Raffy, Fire Bloom, Hire Breslow, Trade Sale

2025 Trade for Crochet, Extend Crochet, Trade Raffy

2026 Fire Bailey

2027 Fire Breslow, Hire Cora, Trade Crochet (he didn't like the 3rd version of the City Connects)

[dannycater]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

2019 Fire DD, Hire Bloom

2020 Trade Mookie

2022 Xander leaves, Eovaldi leaves

2023 Extend Raffy, Fire Bloom, Hire Breslow, Trade Sale

2025 Trade for Crochet, Extend Crochet, Trade Raffy

2026 Fire Bailey

2027 Fire Breslow, Hire Cora, Trade Crochet (he didn't like the 3rd version of the City Connects)

but Crochet does love telling all to hit his first pitch of the game fastball...that's nice to have for the scouting report.

[notin]

16 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

there are no good guys in this show. Devers was/is a lazy, selfish POS and Henry/Breslow showed his arrogance/idiocy when he got absolutely f***ed in the trade.

And Cora refused to get involved and manage the situation…

[Bellhorn04]

19 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

there are no good guys in this show. Devers was/is a lazy, selfish POS and Henry/Breslow showed his arrogance/idiocy when he got absolutely f***ed in the trade.

Disagree.  Devers did NOT have much trade value.  DH's making $31 million a year for the next 8 years just don't.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, dannycater said:

but Crochet does love telling all to hit his first pitch of the game fastball...that's nice to have for the scouting report.

It's good sportsmanship. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Disagree.  Devers did NOT have much trade value.  DH's making $31 million for the next 8 years just don't.

It depends on what the expectations are, right? If he was on a minimal contract for 8 years, the Sox are getting a crazy return. I just think the Sox could have received more if they waited. How much? I don't know because I don't work in baseball operations. We all know that prices get higher at the deadline. They just wanted him gone sooner than later and had a trade that was good enough. 

The trade was most likely never going to be enough to make me happy for sure. 

[notin]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Disagree.  Devers did NOT have much trade value.  DH's making $31 million for the next 8 years just don't.

Watch him play 1b in SF.  Not like they have Freddie Freeman there today…

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

And Cora refused to get involved and manage the situation…

JH, Bailey, Cora and Raffy all played their parts in this mess. I think on here Raffy got more blame than I've seen elsewhere. I think it's because some of our posters age a bit on the mature side. 

[dannycater]

Can't wait for Sox to finally have back Yoshida...it was a long wait, but thank god the DH postion was free up now for our best contact hitter.

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, notin said:

Watch him play 1b in SF.  Not like they have Freddie Freeman there today…

Yes, we could use more echoes of the Nomar trade. 😉

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

Watch him play 1b in SF.  Not like they have Freddie Freeman there today…

I believe they announced the signing as 1B/DH. 🫠

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Yes, we could use more echoes of the Nomar trade. 😉

If they got the Nomar return... 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

It depends on what the expectations are, right? If he was on a minimal contract for 8 years, the Sox are getting a crazy return. I just think the Sox could have received more if they waited. How much? I don't know because I don't work in baseball operations. We all know that prices get higher at the deadline. They just wanted him gone sooner than later and had a trade that was good enough. 

The trade was most likely never going to be enough to make me happy for sure. 

Actually that this trade went down when it did does support the theory that Devers asked to be traded.  If this was all about unloading Devers ASAP, should it really have taken a month?

[Bellhorn04]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

And Cora refused to get involved and manage the situation…

How can you say that without knowing what went on behind the scenes?

I think Cora probably felt a little betrayed by Raffy's non-hustle.

When did Cora ever bad-mouth Devers or anything like that?

[mvp 78]

8pm?!?

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

How can you say that without knowing what went on behind the scenes?

I think Cora probably felt a little betrayed by Raffy's non-hustle.

When did Cora ever bad-mouth Devers or anything like that?

He said there was no hustle issue. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Actually that this trade went down when it did does support the theory that Devers asked to be traded.  If this was all about unloading Devers ASAP, should it really have taken a month?

Do you think trades get done in 5 minutes the way they do in the movies? 

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He said there was no hustle issue. 

Which can easily be characterized as covering for his player.  If anything Cora seems to have gone out of his way to put a good light on Devers throughout all this.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they got the Nomar return... 

a journeyman shortstop and a glove-first 1b? 

[Duran Is The Man]

12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Disagree.  Devers did NOT have much trade value.  DH's making $31 million a year for the next 8 years just don't.

then you're in the very tiny minority. most everyone, including many GMs, think Henry/Breslow got screwed.

[dannycater]

This is the Red Sox brass quote to media:

"We have a responsibility to our fans to put out the best product possible in order to win, but in order to do this, we have to make sure that our owner is happy. So when when one of our employees is not a "team player," and when we are alerted also of a possibility to find a Premier League available to help our owner's other club, we must act on it. In the end, we know we are making our fanbase happy and that's also why we keep raising prices. While we have your attention, we have added a new Purple People Eaters jersey for Thursday home games. They are already available on our Sox website. We have new Roman Anthony jerseys too!! Go Sox!"

[dannycater]

Devers first 32 MLB At-Bats, 13 for 32, 3 HR, 2 doubles, 6 RBI 

Anthony first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 3 RBI.

Casas first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 0 RBI

Fred Lynn first 16 MLB At-Bats, 9 for 16, 2 doubles, a triple, 2 HR, 6 RBI

 

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

a journeyman shortstop and a glove-first 1b? 

Two players that went to making the team better. The Red Sox will be worse off for this deal. Hicks is a relief profile going forward. The other 3 may not have MLB impact in the future. 

[notin]

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Do you think trades get done in 5 minutes the way they do in the movies? 

Do you think he asked to be traded over the weekend?