Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

It's easy to say this with hindsight. Nobody thought this was coming a week ago. 

We know how JH works. They dumped the whole contract. They got NOTHING back. They did it right after a sweep of the Yankees when they got above .500. They did it right before they'll have to face Devers in SF! 

They don't give a crap what the fans think, just how much JH's wallet weighs. It's the same story over and over.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, dannycater said:

LMFAO...hey he didn't put a gun to anyone's head...you can always say no, you are a Sox.

Reportedly Devers asked to be traded. If so, on some level that probably means you need to look into it.

I don’t like that’s what it got to, if that did indeed go down…

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

a) They're 5th in MLB in runs scored per game.

b) Bregman will be back.

c) Hopefully Anthony and Mayer will contribute.

You think they'll b 5th in MLB without their best hitter? 🤢

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

Reportedly Devers asked to be traded. If so, on some level that probably means you need to look into it.

I don’t like that’s what it got to, if that did indeed go down…

That hasn't been reported. 

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, dannycater said:

No, he's the guy who the franchise invested money in and told him he's our 3rd baseman. That was what he bargained for, and yes while his defense was questionable, the way everything has been handled from Breslow's terrible communication skills (Devers should speak in English or learn language--separate issue) to the about face the Sox made the moment Travis got injured--he may not be the "good guy" but he isn't the bad guy you and others will portray and use as a narrative.

Raffy iced it by not running to first base and making his manager have to cover for him.  I suspect that was when Cora may have come on board with trading him.   

[notin]

17 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

I agree. They spend all that time going after Soto but not a peep about Alonso. Getting Alonso wouldve solved RHB problem, kept Raffy at 3rd, Yoshida DH, and still had room for all the prospects. D wouldve been meh but O wouldve been dynamite. Or why didn't they pull the trigger on trading Casas to Seattle for pitching? Getting Bregman seems like picking last girl at the bar at closing time, desperate, not thought out.

At the time, Casas was still healthy and I think the Sox were not quite at the point of forgetting he existed, which appears not to be the case with your post ;)

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

We know how JH works. They dumped the whole contract. They got NOTHING back. They did it right after a sweep of the Yankees when they got above .500. They did it right before they'll have to face Devers in SF! 

They don't give a crap what the fans think, just how much JH's wallet weighs. It's the same story over and over.

I mean, some of the logic tracks, some doesn't. I think a lot of people are too angry to think much through logically today - I don't blame them.

The timing is absolutely mental. I cannot get my head around that part.

[notin]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You think they'll b 5th in MLB without their best hitter? 🤢

Maybe not MLB, but I think they can be 5th in the AL East….

[dannycater]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Nomar didn't pull any guns either.  But that trade was absolutely the right move and worked out pretty good as I recall...

Sox had Schilling (money invested to win), Foulke, Manny, Pedro, Lowe, Varitek, Damon...the team was loaded, not the '25 Sox who are relying on 75-year-old Story, and a bunch of kids on offense...who seem to be in love with having Refsnyder be the model Sox---the platoon hitter...one narrative by Globe writer--it frees up the DH!!! LOL...they had the DH--a full time one who produces at All-Star level, age 28. Now we get to see today's Carl Crawford and Pablo Sandoval return in Yoshida (what an awful signing, also reminded of Rusney way back--ugh) and having Story be the Sox SS for year(not plural) to come.

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, Hitch said:

I mean, some of the logic tracks, some doesn't. I think a lot of people are too angry to think much through logically today - I don't blame them.

The timing is absolutely mental. I cannot get my head around that part.

San Fran wanted to close on this.  They wanted him in their lineup ASAP.  Takes two to make a deal.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That hasn't been reported. 

Not true.  It has been reported.  
 

That doesn’t mean it happened, which is why I opened with “Reportedly”…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

And they acquired a (soon to be) 24 yo SP with a BA Top 100 pedigree who is under control through 2029, one of the hardest throwing pitchers in MLB, and they acquired a 13th overall pick from 2024.

But there is no denying this team is worse than it was 24 hours ago…

A starting pitching prospect who is in AAA that Bailey couldn't help in SF, Joe Kelly 2.0, a lottery ticket and

 

[dannycater]

Manny wanted to be traded--did a lot to want to be traded--but this happened PRIOR TO 2004...only after the Sox publicly made comments suggesting Manny be traded, AROD be brought back in trade. Then he pouted and was a clubhouse problem and oh yeah--let's see-- the Sox won the 2004 WS. then 2007...so yeah, I guess just trade any player who "wants to be traded."

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Not true.  It has been reported.  
 

That doesn’t mean it happened, which is why I opened with “Reportedly”…

What was reported was that he "considered asking for a trade in ST." He didn't ask for one. I don't see any reputable Red Sox reporters saying he asked for a trade. 

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

A starting pitching prospect who is in AAA that Bailey couldn't help in SF, Joe Kelly 2.0, a lottery ticket and

 

Keith Law is higher on him, and still very high on Harrison.

"Rightfielder James Tibbs III was the Giants’ first-round pick last year out of Florida State, and while his minor-league tenure to date hasn’t looked great on paper, he’s had a lot of bad luck on balls in play and is a better player than the stat line implies. He’s hitting .245/.377/.480 in High A this season, walking (16.3 percent) almost as often as he’s striking out (17.9 percent), and the BABIP gods have started shining a little more on him — he’s at .292/.402/.656 with a .300 BABIP over the last month, which is a lot more in-line with what he should be doing at that level."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The only possible way the Red Sox organization can convince their fanbase that they're still trying to win--

                                    this year

--- is to make more trades and bring back legitimate big league talent.

[jdc69]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

At the time, Casas was still healthy and I think the Sox were not quite at the point of forgetting he existed, which appears not to be the case with your post ;)

Yes but they forgot Devers existed when they got Bregman didnt they? Who is more forgettable, even when healthy, Casas or Devers? They also did Devers dirty again by not offering him 1st immediately after getting Bregman and putting Casas at DH. Again they choose Casas over Devers. Not only is that bad in terms of production but sends a bad message to the clubhouse about how un-loyal they are. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Maybe not MLB, but I think they can be 5th in the AL East….

🫣

5 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I mean, some of the logic tracks, some doesn't. I think a lot of people are too angry to think much through logically today - I don't blame them.

The timing is absolutely mental. I cannot get my head around that part.

It's just frustrating. You want to be invested in the team and they do this nonsense right when fans start to get excited again. They've 100% decided to punt this year. There's just no way they can get into the playoffs now. 

Without Raffy, the top of the order looks even more ST than before. I don't expect Toro/Romy to produce all year. I don't even expect Narvaez to hit as well as he has. All the catching will wear on him. Masa needs to get on a hot streak. And Breggie can't cool down. Anthony/Mayer/Campbell aren't going to be 850 OPS guys this season. They'll be streaky, but you can't count on them they way you will be able to in future years. Story? Rollercoaster. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The only possible way the Red Sox organization can convince their fanbase that they're still trying to win--

                                    this year

--- is to make more trades and bring back legitimate big league talent.

What would they trade? They young pitching they want to hoard? Jhostynxon? Romero? Aside from that, all their talent is way down in the lower minors.

[dannycater]

Just now, jdc69 said:

Yes but they forgot Devers existed when they got Bregman didnt they? Who is more forgettable, even when healthy, Casas or Devers? They also did Devers dirty again by not offering him 1st immediately after getting Bregman and putting Casas at DH. Again they choose Casas over Devers. Not only is that bad in terms of production but sends a bad message to the clubhouse about how un-loyal they are. 

great post

[notin]

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

I think the biggest harm of this could come from a continuation of what we've seen of people being wary of signing with the Sox. From FO leaders to players. 

When you signal too often that you're willing to send on the very best players you have, you stop being an attractive option to people wanting to win.

I’m a firm believer very few top free agents prioritize winning over money when signing deals.  This trade will mean nothing to those players. All the Sox have to do is make competitive offers.   Of course, that has been an issue in the past and there is no reason to believe it will change any time soon..

[dannycater]

Just now, dannycater said:

great post

Eavoldi wanted to stay a Sox....just saying. So kind of supports the theory about the Sox don't value any loyalty...ask Betts.

[mvp 78]

It's easy to be mad at Devers for "not hustling" or "not playing 1b" because those are things that you see on the field. I think the FO really needs to be held to task for their part.

 

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

 Now Abreu can be the DH and the outfield defense can be maximized with Duran in CF, Rafaela in RF and Anthony in the footsteps of Teddy and Yaz in LF.

You really need to look more closely at the defense of Abreu vs Duran.

It's not even close.

I'm not against Rafaela in RF, nor do I think Duran is a bad defender, despite his hiccups, but Abreu is a tremendous RF, especially in Fenway's RF. Rafaela is a tremendous CF'er. Anthony is a better defender in LF than Duran.

If any OF'er DHs more than the others, it's Refsnyder, then Duran.

v R

DH: Duran

LF: Anthony

CF: Rafaela

RF: Abreu

v L

DH Refsnyder

LF Anthony or Duran

CF Duran or Rafaela

RF Rafaela or Anthony

or just DH Duran and go Anthony LF, Rafaela CF & Refsnyder RF

[dannycater]

To me the 2025 season started badly with the Jim Rice debacle in ST...that was the beginning of the end for this year...the Sox front office should be ashamed of even how they handled that one. But this is about defending your Ivy League hires. Ask the Bruins--they have Mr. Hahvahd Man who can do no wrong. Paul Revered for his Fire Sale and holding firm that Marchand wasn't worth 21 mil for 3 years...bravo!!!. You won, and so did Breslow. We don't go to games to watch Breslow, or Sweeney (yes they both played but not in their current positions).

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What would they trade? They young pitching they want to hoard? Jhostynxon? Romero? Aside from that, all their talent is way down in the lower minors.

There is also Arias, but I doubt a couple packagings of Arias, Romero, Tibbs, Harrison, Jh Garcia, Bleis, Cespedes & Jo Garcia gets us an ace and a bat to replace Devers,

[jdc69]

4 minutes ago, dannycater said:

Eavoldi wanted to stay a Sox....just saying. So kind of supports the theory about the Sox don't value any loyalty...ask Betts.

I think it's the analytics guys. They don't see players as people but as sets of skills they can put in and take out as needed. The money and being nice is supposed to smooth over any hurt feelings.

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You really need to look more closely at the defense of Abreu vs Duran.

It's not even close.

He's not going to listen to you about defense, moon. 

[moonslav59]

Yes, they should have moved Devers to 1B, right away, or at least a pair share of 1B/DH w Casas. They made a mistake. That doesn't give Devers the right to pout and be selfish.

When Casas got hurt, the best thing for the team was for Devers to play 1B. Bottom line: the player did not want to "Learn how to play every position."

The player was traded.

Plenty of blame to go around, including Devers, Cora and Brez...and all the way up to JH.

[Duran Is The Man]

41 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I'm a little surprised at how many are backing Devers.  He refused to play first base, he didn't hustle down the line, he's making $31 million a year, he's the good guy?

there are no good guys in this show. Devers was/is a lazy, selfish POS and Henry/Breslow showed his arrogance/idiocy when he got absolutely f***ed in the trade.