Chris Sale traded to Braves

[Bellhorn04]

If the deal was made to save JH $10M, and the money is not spent, it makes the trade worse. I don't think that is a silly position to take.

 

It's way premature though. Plus, we could say the same about the Verdugo and Urias trades if you want to look at each move that way.

 

We won't be able to evaluate until we know the payroll for 2024. If the 2024 payroll is $15 mill below the first tax threshold, I think we'll all have good reason to howl.

[mvp 78]

You might be right, but I think his ceiling might be higher (ceiling in terms of ranking) Teel was ranked end of year by pipeline at #88 when Grissom was promoted to the majors in the summer of 22 he was ranked 77 by baseball america.

 

Two different ranking bodies but the closeness in status eludes that at their peak two scouts could give you two different answers on who is better. That might make his ceiling #3. He's blatantly a better prospect than Yorke, so I think that 3-6 window is appropriate. He's definteily not on the same tier as Anthony/Mayer.

 

Also, while Grissom struggle in a SSS in MLB last year, in AAA he hit 920 with 50% of his games in a pitcher friendly environment and being young for the level. If he didn't lose eligibility, he'd be a top 50 prospect most likely.

[Hugh2]

Also, while Grissom struggle in a SSS in MLB last year, in AAA he hit 920 with 50% of his games in a pitcher friendly environment and being young for the level. If he didn't lose eligibility, he'd be a top 50 prospect most likely.

 

 

I saw that with Grissom, I think he has a very high floor with the bat, if he grows into some power and improves on defense he can be a star in Boston. I'm pretty confident he's going to do at least one of those things.

 

I'd take a little bit of both, average power average defense with above average hit tool.

 

I also like how him and Trevor Story are going to be working out together.

[mvp 78]

I saw that with Grissom, I think he has a very high floor with the bat, if he grows into some power and improves on defense he can be a star in Boston. I'm pretty confident he's going to do at least one of those things.

 

I'd take a little bit of both, average power average defense with above average hit tool.

 

I also like how him and Trevor Story are going to be working out together.

 

Yeah, about that...

[moonslav59]

It's way premature though. Plus, we could say the same about the Verdugo and Urias trades if you want to look at each move that way.

 

We won't be able to evaluate until we know the payroll for 2024. If the 2024 payroll is $15 mill below the first tax threshold, I think we'll all have good reason to howl.

 

Agreed, and I mentioned this in that post where I spoke about contorting ourselves trying to figure out the budget stuff and where the money saved went.

[notin]

The Braves extended Sale? Did I read that right?

[Hitch]

That's.... interesting.

[mvp 78]

The Braves extended Sale? Did I read that right?

 

Plus a club option for year 3.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Braves extended Sale? Did I read that right?

 

He got new Giolito money: 2 for $38M...

 

(... except if Gio has a good year, he'll want old Sale money).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I just fell off my stationary bike and broke the big screen TV

[cp176]

I just fell off my stationary bike and broke the big screen TV

 

Can you believe that . The Braves of all teams paying that much for that broken down left hander Chris Frail as he has been so affectionately referred to here on occasion. Hey on the bright side I guess it's good to know that there is at least one other franchise as screwed up as ours. I hope he has a Cy Young season.

[harmony]

The Braves extended Sale? Did I read that right?

Still asking:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-exactly-are-the-braves-up-to/

[Dipre]

I made a thread about the Sale extension dum dums.

[Old Red]

Can you believe that . The Braves of all teams paying that much for that broken down left hander Chris Frail as he has been so affectionately referred to here on occasion. Hey on the bright side I guess it's good to know that there is at least one other franchise as screwed up as ours. I hope he has a Cy Young season.

 

It makes you think now that the Braves would have paid more to the Red Sox than just $10M for this year. They already held a team option for next year, so the fact they didn’t want to wait until they saw how he does is just wow.

[mvp 78]

Can you believe that . The Braves of all teams paying that much for that broken down left hander Chris Frail as he has been so affectionately referred to here on occasion. Hey on the bright side I guess it's good to know that there is at least one other franchise as screwed up as ours. I hope he has a Cy Young season.

 

If Crag extended Sale this offseason, I'm sure we'd all be very rational about it!

[Old Red]

If Crag extended Sale this offseason, I'm sure we'd all be very rational about it!

 

I’m sure JH would have been too.

[Hugh2]

It makes you think now that the Braves would have paid more to the Red Sox than just $10M for this year. They already held a team option for next year, so the fact they didn’t want to wait until they saw how he does is just wow.

 

Lol what?

No offense, but it feels like you will create anything up just to insult every move this team makes.

 

Which is odd, because one would think you’d need zero help given this teams recent performance.

[mvp 78]

The Braves 2025 amount in the new contract is less than the Sox' club option for 2025, plus they get an option for 2026.

[Old Red]

Lol what?

No offense, but it feels like you will create anything up just to insult every move this team makes.

 

Which is odd, because one would think you’d need zero help given this teams recent performance.

Create anything? I said from the very second I found out about the Red Sox having to pay $17M to the Braves that I didn’t like it. The trade was fine, but to me the payment was not. Up until that time I had been the patient one when pretty much on here when everyone else was moaning, and groaning about the perceived lack of going full throttle, and hollering sham, sham, sham. Of course you might have been in hibernation then. Complaining about the $17M is pretty mild compared to what most of the others were saying on here up to that point, and hardly an insult.

Edited January 4, 2024 by Old Red

[Old Red]

The Braves 2025 amount in the new contract is less than the Sox' club option for 2025, plus they get an option for 2026.

 

Must be that last 3 yr sample size that swayed the Braves.

[Bellhorn04]

Must be that last 3 yr sample size that swayed the Braves.

 

It's not hard to figure why this deal makes senses for the Braves. Sale looked healthy and effective his last few starts of 2023. Some of that high end potential is still there. So why not risk $20 mill or so on a guy who might help you in the playoffs for the next 2 years? They already said they're going to manage him pretty carefully in the regular season.

[cp176]

If Crag extended Sale this offseason, I'm sure we'd all be very rational about it!

 

You and I both know that that was never going to happen and rightfully so. Now if he had stayed with us and pitched just decently, pretty sure they would have come up with something for him but my chirping about Chris Sale really has had nothing to do with signing him to anything more than he would have earned throughout the course of this contract. I do think that thee must be some reason that I'm sure I don't know why the Braves were willing to take a chance with him. We get a well regarded prospect who may or may not develop into a long term fix in our infield. Unfortunately not defensively but likely with the bat. Atlanta signs this broken down lefty to a many million dollar 2 year contract with a club option for a third. What am I missing here? Just doesn't seem to add up does it? Understand I'm not making any speculation about the deal itself. Maybe it will turn out to be a good one for us. It I think is just a confusing picture.

[Old Red]

It's not hard to figure why this deal makes senses for the Braves. Sale looked healthy and effective his last few starts of 2023. Some of that high end potential is still there. So why not risk $20 mill or so on a guy who might help you in the playoffs for the next 2 years? They already said they're going to manage him pretty carefully in the regular season.

Let’s remember on how much time he missed before those last few starts. I don’t think the Braves can handle Sale anymore carefully than Cora did. Did you forget Cora started Kluber opening day last year, because he wanted to take the stress off Sale, and let him celebrate his Birthday?

[cp176]

It's not hard to figure why this deal makes senses for the Braves. Sale looked healthy and effective his last few starts of 2023. Some of that high end potential is still there. So why not risk $20 mill or so on a guy who might help you in the playoffs for the next 2 years? They already said they're going to manage him pretty carefully in the regular season.

 

So Bell what i'm reading here makes me wonder why the Red Sox wouldn't have kept him. Once again it is a confusing move for a team that desperately needs any kind quality pitching to make.

[cp176]

So Bell what i'm reading here makes me wonder why the Red Sox wouldn't have kept him. Once again it is a confusing move for a team that desperately needs any kind quality pitching to make.

 

I will add that I'm kind of probing for a response here of sorts I guess because I'm not particularly Disappointed with the move. I think that it was time for the Sox to move on. If we sign a "real" pitcher soon, I will even like the deal.

[Bellhorn04]

So Bell what i'm reading here makes me wonder why the Red Sox wouldn't have kept him. Once again it is a confusing move for a team that desperately needs any kind quality pitching to make.

 

Reasons the Sox traded him:

 

1) Chris's health is always in jeopardy.

2) They got a cheap second baseman with some potential in return.

3) They saved $10 million.

 

If Sale pitches something like the old Sale in 2024 this will indeed look questionable, so you could say Breslow rolled the dice.

[Hugh2]

Create anything? I said from the very second I found out about the Red Sox having to pay $17M to the Braves that I didn’t like it. The trade was fine, but to me the payment was not. Up until that time I had been the patient one when pretty much on here when everyone else was moaning, and groaning about the perceived lack of going full throttle, and hollering sham, sham, sham. Of course you might have been in hibernation then. Complaining about the $17M is pretty mild compared to what most of the others were saying on here up to that point, and hardly an insult.

 

Irrelevant. The money was a sunk cost, it was already being paid. The only way to reduce that money would be to take a lesser player in return.

 

But what do you care? You’ve usually been in the “it’s not my money” camp. You can’t like the trade and hate the trade at the same time. Pick a stance, if you don’t like the money kicked in, then at least acknowledge that you’re getting no value back in return. Instead you got 6 years of control for a 22 year old highly regarded prospect.

 

Pretty much everyone across baseball, including the Red Sox biggest critics, haven given them very high marks for this trade.

 

You seem to be one of the only people on earth who does not like it. That’s why I think you’re being cynical

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-grades-braves-red-sox-both-get-a-marks-in-vaughn-grissom-swap-for-oft-injured-ace/amp/

[Dipre]

Irrelevant. The money was a sunk cost, it was already being paid. The only way to reduce that money would be to take a lesser player in return.

 

But what do you care? You’ve usually been in the “it’s not my money” camp. You can’t like the trade and hate the trade at the same time. Pick a stance, if you don’t like the money kicked in, then at least acknowledge that you’re getting no value back in return. Instead you got 6 years of control for a 22 year old highly regarded prospect.

 

Pretty much everyone across baseball, including the Red Sox biggest critics, haven given them very high marks for this trade.

 

You seem to be one of the only people on earth who does not like it. That’s why I think you’re being cynical

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-grades-braves-red-sox-both-get-a-marks-in-vaughn-grissom-swap-for-oft-injured-ace/amp/

 

Smacking Old Red with some cold, hard facts here. Expect a retort that's all over the place,.doesn't actually refute your point, and gives.me a headache.

[moonslav59]

Irrelevant. The money was a sunk cost, it was already being paid. The only way to reduce that money would be to take a lesser player in return.

 

But what do you care? You’ve usually been in the “it’s not my money” camp. You can’t like the trade and hate the trade at the same time. Pick a stance, if you don’t like the money kicked in, then at least acknowledge that you’re getting no value back in return. Instead you got 6 years of control for a 22 year old highly regarded prospect.

 

Pretty much everyone across baseball, including the Red Sox biggest critics, haven given them very high marks for this trade.

 

You seem to be one of the only people on earth who does not like it. That’s why I think you’re being cynical

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-grades-braves-red-sox-both-get-a-marks-in-vaughn-grissom-swap-for-oft-injured-ace/amp/

 

Of course all prospects are a gamble, but who among us thinks Sale was not a big gamble, and at least Grissom has a few years to show value.

 

I started out wondering why a team in such high need for SP'ing would ever trade away, even a big gamble pitcher like Sale, even with the addition of an innings-eater like Gio, but I like the move, now.

 

If we add a good SP'er (or two,) it will look even better.

 

If we actually spend the $10M "saved" (note the quotes,) it could be a great trade.

[Old Red]

Irrelevant. The money was a sunk cost, it was already being paid. The only way to reduce that money would be to take a lesser player in return.

 

But what do you care? You’ve usually been in the “it’s not my money” camp. You can’t like the trade and hate the trade at the same time. Pick a stance, if you don’t like the money kicked in, then at least acknowledge that you’re getting no value back in return. Instead you got 6 years of control for a 22 year old highly regarded prospect.

 

Pretty much everyone across baseball, including the Red Sox biggest critics, haven given them very high marks for this trade.

 

You seem to be one of the only people on earth who does not like it. That’s why I think you’re being cynical

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-grades-braves-red-sox-both-get-a-marks-in-vaughn-grissom-swap-for-oft-injured-ace/amp/

 

Very simple, and I have said right along that I believe if the Braves would have paid all his contract the Red Sox could have put the $27M to better use like maybe sign a good reliable starting pitcher. All of this was said when the trade happened, so you’re just late to the party. Once again, I said in the beginning I didn’t care if the Red Sox got anything back as long as the Braves paid the whole contract, and I explained why. It’s not an insult. Once again the return was fine if there was going to be a return

That doesn’t meet your standards, but WC.