Chris Sale traded to Braves

[notin]

And if you say anything negative on it about the trade 1 poster will come out of hibernation, and say you’re insulting the team.Never mind all the real insults that posters have thrown the last few weeks from the so called super fan calling his favorite term lately of sham, sham, sham to all the other comments, because of all the non conceived notions of what full throttle meant. Those were INSULTS. The Red Sox don’t need an extra $17M-$27M, because JH has plenty of money, and he will spare no expense to make this team better. Still looking at 2035, or 2036, but everything is good.

 

 

 

Right.

 

Dude, you went from trashing Sale to praising Atlanta for acquiring in a span of several posts…

[dgalehouse]

And if you say anything negative on it about the trade 1 poster will come out of hibernation, and say you’re insulting the team.Never mind all the real insults that posters have thrown the last few weeks from the so called super fan calling his favorite term lately of sham, sham, sham to all the other comments, because of all the non conceived notions of what full throttle meant. Those were INSULTS. The Red Sox don’t need an extra $17M-$27M, because JH has plenty of money, and he will spare no expense to make this team better. Still looking at 2035, or 2036, but everything is good.

 

It seems that we have heard " wait til next year " for a few years now. How long can that work before people get tired of it ? Tomorrow never comes.

[Old Red]

Another idiotic complaint that, because I called Frail Sale as many others did not only on here, but lots of other parts of Red Sox Nation as well I wasn’t allowed to say that I think Sale will stay healthy this year, and have a good year with a lot better team in Atlanta. Imagine that! As the people at PF say just when you think things can’t get anymore ridiculous on here someone outdoes someone else, and it goes to an even lower standard. From PF to the few, but not so proud. S A L U T E.

[Old Red]

It seems that we have heard " wait til next year " for a few years now. How long can that work before people get tired of it ? Tomorrow never comes.

 

One on here doesn’t get tired at all, and would still say it in 2036.

[moonslav59]

LOL....i hear this every year. i'd rather go for it. i'm sure tightass Henry agrees with you. but as long as gullible rubes keep buying the ******** he's selling, i'm afraid the Sox will be "punting" every year.

 

I'm not suggesting it's the best idea, and I'm certainly for trying to build a winning team in 2024, but my point was this:

 

If all we do for the rest of the winter is make a big prospect trade for one young, controllable pitcher, we likely will not be winning in 2024. I'd prefer we wait until we are actually ready to go "all in." If that day will never come, then yes, I agree. Just do the best we can do under the constraints set by JH & Co, and see what happens.

 

I'm all for trading Mayer, Yorke & Wikelman for Luzardo (3 yrs) or Garrett (5 yrs.)

 

If we end up spending more, next year, or not, it should be a better Sox team to watch.

[Dipre]

Another idiotic complaint that, because I called Frail Sale as many others did not only on here, but lots of other parts of Red Sox Nation as well I wasn’t allowed to say that I think Sale will stay healthy this year, and have a good year with a lot better team in Atlanta. Imagine that! As the people at PF say just when you think things can’t get anymore ridiculous on here someone outdoes someone else, and it goes to an even lower standard. From PF to the few, but not so proud. S A L U T E.

 

And if someone here knows idiocy, that's you, Red, old pal.

[Randy Red Sox]

It seems that we have heard " wait til next year " for a few years now. How long can that work before people get tired of it ? Tomorrow never comes.

 

i tired of it a long time ago. at this point i am almost ready to move on from the Red Sox after being a die-hard fan for about 40 years.

[moonslav59]

i tired of it a long time ago. at this point i am almost ready to move on from the Red Sox after being a die-hard fan for about 40 years.

 

I can understand that feeling, but I can't see getting myself to that point. I love the game, a lot.

 

I actually enjoyed watching many aspects of this team since 2021. I'm liking some of DD's unsung prospects doing well. The long stretch of HS players drafted kinds helped prolong the gap left b y trading so many top prospects, but a few are getting real close to the bigs.

 

As you pointed out, tough: no quality young pitchers, except maybe Bello and one or two from Crawford, Houck, Whitlock and Wink.

[Old Red]

I can understand that feeling, but I can't see getting myself to that point. I love the game, a lot.

 

I actually enjoyed watching many aspects of this team since 2021. I'm liking some of DD's unsung prospects doing well. The long stretch of HS players drafted kinds helped prolong the gap left b y trading so many top prospects, but a few are getting real close to the bigs.

 

As you pointed out, tough: no quality young pitchers, except maybe Bello and one or two from Crawford, Houck, Whitlock and Wink.

 

Loved watching many aspects of this team since 2021? Was it the losing, last place in the Div finishes? Was it the stellar D being played that any Little League team would be proud of? Was it watching opener after opener, or just watching the Master Mind Chaim Bloom doing his crafty wheeling, and dealing? I guess that’s one way to look at it, but I don’t think many Red Sox fans saw it that way.

[mvp 78]

Don't worry, I'm not shooting any messengers. I'm storming the Bastille in person.

 

You'll be disappointed to learn that it's not there anymore.

[mvp 78]

Don’t worry Winter Weekend is only two weeks away, and JH will be there to answer all your questions. Then again maybe he won’t.

 

No, they are throwing prospects at the fans this year.

[mvp 78]

It seems that we have heard " wait til next year " for a few years now. How long can that work before people get tired of it ? Tomorrow never comes.

 

Wait til next year used to be what fans said. For billionaires to say it, it's down right rotten.

[mvp 78]

i tired of it a long time ago. at this point i am almost ready to move on from the Red Sox after being a die-hard fan for about 40 years.

 

You must be the youngest person on here then. The rest of us will have to run you down with our walkers...

[Bellhorn04]

You'll be disappointed to learn that it's not there anymore.

 

Jeez, wickedly original comebacks to that by notin and now you.

[mvp 78]

Jeez, wickedly original comebacks to that by notin and now you.

 

It was the best of posts, it was the worst of posts.

[Hitch]

You seriously think they wouldn’t go over the cap for one year? Pay a few extra million for one year? To not sign Montgomery?

 

What makes more sense.

 

A.) Sox won’t sign Montgomery because they are unwilling to commit the contract he will command, and because they’re weary of long term contracts to aging pitchers? (Spoiler alert. Huge precedent here)

 

Or

 

B.) they have a set budget and will not go over it because the Red Sox do not go past the luxury tax limit.

 

Sox have said they would go over. (Spoiler alert. Also precedent for this)

 

Before you continue reading take note there’s zero precedent for B. Because they have a history of going over the luxury tax and setting themselves up to reset, which they’re in. They had a budget all those years too, every team has a budget, you think those budgets are 100% set in stone? That’s absurd. They’re in the same financial boat in 2025 even if the Braves took 100% of the contract. Also worth nothing, there’s IS clear precedent for A. In action and in statement. They haven’t signed big pitchers and still gone past the cap.

 

The budget isn’t just about one year, it’s about year over year. That’s why they sign guys to short term contracts and shy away from long term. It’s why team look to reset, going over the cap is 100% inconsequential to a team like Boston when they have the ability to reset the next year. Even the freaking Dodgers are setting themselves up to get below thresholds. Yes, even they care about AAV. It’s not just total money, it’s the years. Sox literally blew past the cap just two years ago, and had the highest payroll in baseball a few before that.

 

Of course they have a budget, but $17 million for one year isn’t stopping them from offering whatever they think is fair to Snell or Montgomery. That’s literally got to be one of the most irrational I’ve heard on here all year.

 

 

I don’t believe the Sox will make those moves, because in a vacuum they don’t want to spend the money on those guys. If 200/8 gets you Snell, the Sox aren’t offering that WITH OR WITHOUT Sales $17 million. They’re cheap with long term deals, they don’t give a rats ass about going over the cap for one years. Why can’t you see that? I feel like this is obvious to 99.99% of the baseball world.

 

If the Sox don’t sign another starting pitcher it’s 100% because they’re cheap *******s and 100% nothing to do with how much money they got Atlanta to eat. If you can’t understand that then just give up. Don’t pass go. Don’t collect $200

 

No team has a budget that is 100% set in stone. Some are more flexible than others, if according to you I’m the only one in here then I’ll be proud to have good financial prowess compared to others. Teams will go under/over their budgets for the right circumstances. If the Boston Red Sox for example COULD Snell for 200/8, they would do it. They wouldn’t walk away from that deal because they have to pay Chris Sale $17 for ONE YEAR. That’s just ridiculous

 

A lot of good stuff here.

[Old Red]

No, they are throwing prospects at the fans this year.

 

Most likely it will be Sam.

[Hitch]

Yeah, like I say, as far as 2024 is concerned, this trade can only make sense if they acquire a good starter.

 

Why?

 

If we weren't adding anything when Sale was here, we weren't competing.

If we don't add anything with the kid, we're not competing.

 

I'd rather have an exciting kid in at 2nd base for 6 than Sale for 1 in either scenario. This trade makes sense on every level. I'm not sure why people are tying themselves up in knots to argue it doesn't.

[Bellhorn04]

It was the best of posts, it was the worst of posts.

 

Much, much better.

[Bellhorn04]

Why?

 

If we weren't adding anything when Sale was here, we weren't competing.

If we don't add anything with the kid, we're not competing.

 

I'd rather have an exciting kid in at 2nd base for 6 than Sale for 1 in either scenario. This trade makes sense on every level. I'm not sure why people are tying themselves up in knots to argue it doesn't.

 

This is my problem exactly, Hitch - the reasoning is based on us not really being in on 2024 anyway.

 

Let's just embrace a third straight sub-.500 season and raise our glasses to the future.

 

I'm really noticing that this ownership has succeeded to a certain degree in lowering people's expectations.

[notin]

Jeez, wickedly original comebacks to that by notin and now you.

 

I could have gone with my question about whether or not a horde of one man in his 60s can constitute “storming”…

[Hitch]

This is my problem exactly, Hitch - the reasoning is based on us not really being in on 2024 anyway.

 

Let's just embrace a third straight sub-.500 season and raise our glasses to the future.

 

I'm really noticing that this ownership has succeeded to a certain degree in lowering people's expectations.

 

 

Fair enough. I don't think fans' expectations will ever be lowered when it comes to the Sox. The ownership has made A LOT of mistakes, but it feels like a section of fans have now decided the owners are the absolute worst with the worst intentions, and those fans are ready to die on that hill.

 

Short of the kid being a bust (which we can't know) and/or Sale staying healthy and pitching back at a high level (seems unlikely), there is no prism to view this trade logically and conclude it is a bad one. I've not seen a single commentator say as much, and they're laying into the Sox right now.

[Bellhorn04]

I could have gone with my question about whether or not a horde of one man in his 60s can constitute “storming”…

 

Yes, it's a ridiculous image. I was going for that.

[mvp 78]

Most likely it will be Sam.

 

I hope the crowd tears him apart. I know he grew up in the area and loves the Sox, but...

[Bellhorn04]

Fair enough. I don't think fans' expectations will ever be lowered when it comes to the Sox. The ownership has made A LOT of mistakes, but it feels like a section of fans have now decided the owners are the absolute worst with the worst intentions, and those fans are ready to die on that hill.

 

Short of the kid being a bust (which we can't know) and/or Sale staying healthy and pitching back at a high level (seems unlikely), there is no prism to view this trade logically and conclude it is a bad one. I've not seen a single commentator say as much, and they're laying into the Sox right now.

 

My arguments are all based on how bad our rotation still looks. We all agreed that the rotation was our weakness and needed desperately to be upgraded. If they do nothing else they will have effectively downgraded it by swapping Sale for Giolito. To me that's f'king bizarre.

 

I'm not looking at this trade in isolation. In isolation it looks like it could be a good move. But in the context of our s***** rotation, I'm not so sure.

 

Lots of time left to get that starter we need. Zero faith on my part because I honestly don't know what these guys are thinking any more.

[notin]

This is my problem exactly, Hitch - the reasoning is based on us not really being in on 2024 anyway.

 

Let's just embrace a third straight sub-.500 season and raise our glasses to the future.

 

I'm really noticing that this ownership has succeeded to a certain degree in lowering people's expectations.

 

Sox ownership might not be alone in our division

 

Who is running away with the AL East?

 

Baltimore - added Kimbrel. Lost a couple of mediocre starting pitchers

Tampa - Added Pepiot but lost Glasgow

New York - Added Soto but no pitching

Toronto - Added Kiner-Falefa but lost Chapman/Belt

Boston - Added Giolito and Grissom but lost Sale

 

Obviously we had more ground to make up, but the rest of the division is not exactly running ahead and leaving the Sox behind.

[Bellhorn04]

But again, it still applies.

 

Who is running away with the AL East?

 

Baltimore - added Kimbrel. Lost a couple of mediocre starting pitchers

Tampa - Added Pepiot but lost Glasgow

New York - Added Soto but no pitching

Toronto - Added Kiner-Falefa but lost Chapman/Belt

Boston - Added Giolito and Grissom but lost Sale

 

Obviously we had more ground to make up, but the rest of the division is not exactly running ahead and leaving the Sox behind.

 

Yes, "more ground to make up". We finished 23 games behind Baltimore, 21 behind the Rays, and 11 behind the Jays. The team we finished closest to is the one that looks to be getting better.

 

We should have no problem duplicating those results.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox ownership might not be alone in our division

 

Who is running away with the AL East?

 

Baltimore - added Kimbrel. Lost a couple of mediocre starting pitchers

Tampa - Added Pepiot but lost Glasgow

New York - Added Soto but no pitching

Toronto - Added Kiner-Falefa but lost Chapman/Belt

Boston - Added Giolito and Grissom but lost Sale

 

Obviously we had more ground to make up, but the rest of the division is not exactly running ahead and leaving the Sox behind.

 

Except when the rest of the division gets to bat against Red Sox pitchers.

[mvp 78]

My arguments are all based on how bad our rotation still looks. We all agreed that the rotation was our weakness and needed desperately to be upgraded. If they do nothing else they will have effectively downgraded it by swapping Sale for Giolito. To me that's f'king bizarre.

 

I'm not looking at this trade in isolation. In isolation it looks like it could be a good move. But in the context of our s***** rotation, I'm not so sure.

 

Lots of time left to get that starter we need. Zero faith on my part because I honestly don't know what these guys are thinking any more.

 

It's a mild upgrade. It helps out the bullpen, but doesn't help out the overall team in a meaningful way. Team still feels like last year if not worse. Need young guys to step up and be difference makers.

[mvp 78]

Sox ownership might not be alone in our division

 

Who is running away with the AL East?

 

Baltimore - added Kimbrel. Lost a couple of mediocre starting pitchers

Tampa - Added Pepiot but lost Glasgow

New York - Added Soto but no pitching

Toronto - Added Kiner-Falefa but lost Chapman/Belt

Boston - Added Giolito and Grissom but lost Sale

 

Obviously we had more ground to make up, but the rest of the division is not exactly running ahead and leaving the Sox behind.

 

Tampa also lost Franco. I think NY will add another pitcher. Not sure what TOR will do.