Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[mvp 78]

The play of Duran in CF should actually justify the Bradley trade even more. I get moving on from Bradley, but if the Sox can win 5 or 6 of these next 7, should they still sell? And if not, put Bradley in CF and bat him 9th and maybe fewer sac flies turn into inside-the-park grand slams…

 

Not really as I don't think you make trades for $10M backup CFers. If Kiké was healthy, he'd still be the everyday guy.

 

Will they still sell? I'm not sure if they sell regardless of what their record is.

 

Should they sell? I think they should make phone calls and see what offers are out there. Considering what Dan Vogelbach fetched, seems like the Sox should explore trading everyone.

[mvp 78]

It looked worse on TV because Verdugo didn’t even get on screen for a second or two, but what it did do regardless of his apparent complacency was solidify everything we’ve heard about his OF defense…

 

He's had 5 years to get better and it's still looking pretty rough. This is his age 26 season.

 

In CF

2021: -5 DRS, -28.8 UZR/150

2022: -6 DRS, -15.5 UZR/150

[Kimmi]

They are closer to last place than they are to a playoff spot.

 

Doesn't matter.

[Kimmi]

As July closes out, the Red Sox are not in contention.

 

Things could change in another couple of weeks, but at the moment, I disagree.

[Kimmi]

Keep the faith people. Keep the faith.

[Bellhorn04]

{Raises hand}

 

You're a beacon of light, Kimmi. I mean that. Don't ever leave us.

[mvp 78]

As July closes out, the Red Sox are not in contention.

 

They are, but only because of how many Wild Card spots they have added. This team could be in closer contention than the hated 2019 team, but actually have a worse record.

[Kimmi]

You're a beacon of light, Kimmi. I mean that. Don't ever leave us.

 

I almost feel like it's my obligation to come here and defend our beloved team, manager, GM, and owner included. It's been an extremely brutal 3 weeks, so I understand the criticism and the pessimism, but there's still a lot of baseball to be played.

[moonslav59]

I mean, he didn't even flinch towards the ball after it went past him.

 

Like he instantly knew, it was Dugo's ball.

 

I have my doubts.

 

It looked to me, like he chose to pout. Just my opinion.

[a700hitter]

Like he instantly knew, it was Dugo's ball.

 

I have my doubts.

 

It looked to me, like he chose to pout. Just my opinion.

It did look that way.

[oldtimer]

I almost feel like it's my obligation to come here and defend our beloved team, manager, GM, and owner included. It's been an extremely brutal 3 weeks, so I understand the criticism and the pessimism, but there's still a lot of baseball to be played.

 

This is not a team that could contend for a WS ring. Even when Devers and JDM get back, we still are not capable one through nine and our depth is not there.. The real problem is pitching depth. We won last night with pitching, garnering only 6 hits against average pitching. I see Bloom as having made the choice to build the team for 2023 and beyond.

[mvp 78]

Like he instantly knew, it was Dugo's ball.

 

I have my doubts.

 

It looked to me, like he chose to pout. Just my opinion.

 

Maybe he heard Verdugo yell that he had it, but it was just the worst look ever in a horribly rotten game.

[moonslav59]

Maybe he heard Verdugo yell that he had it, but it was just the worst look ever in a horribly rotten game.

 

Then, the comments, afterwards, as I heard third person, cemented my disdain for Duran.

[Bellhorn04]

Then, the comments, afterwards, as I heard third person, cemented my disdain for Duran.

 

It's one incident. Hopefully he will learn from it. He'd better.

 

Also not sure why you're not giving him any credit on the attitude front for getting vaxed.

[mvp 78]

It's one incident. Hopefully he will learn from it. He'd better.

 

Also not sure why you're not giving him any credit on the attitude front for getting vaxed.

 

Personally, I know nothing about the attitude issues. To me, it just looks like his defense isn't getting any better as shown by the eye test and the advanced metrics.

[moonslav59]

It's one incident. Hopefully he will learn from it. He'd better.

 

Also not sure why you're not giving him any credit on the attitude front for getting vaxed.

 

It’s like his comments after being a slouch. It only adds to the puzzlement.

 

He caved on the vax. I’m not impressed or feeling any need to “give credit.

 

I’d trade him over Dugo, because he’ll bring back more.

[moonslav59]

Personally, I know nothing about the attitude issues. To me, it just looks like his defense isn't getting any better as shown by the eye test and the advanced metrics.

 

Indeed. At least Verdugo is okay on D.

[Elktonnick]

{Raises hand}

I am. Henry has a real problem with his Boston fans. Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player will really turn off Sox local fans. He has to remember he is competing with the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for the hearts and minds of local fans. Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves especially in view of his reported interest in helping Lebron James obtain an NBA franchise.

[moonslav59]

I am. Henry has a real problem with his Boston fans. Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player will really turn off Sox local fans. He has to remember he is competing with the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for the hearts and minds of local fans. Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves especially in view of his reported interest in helping Lebron James obtain an NBA franchise.

 

The only unequivocal star player we might get back for Bogey, would be another 2 month rental that plays a different position, and even that is highly improbable.

 

It's 2 months of Bogey- not 6 years.

[JDavis76]

Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player Why not just keep your star player then?Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves Umm, the sox have the 6th highest payroll, what "economy moves"?!!

,,,,,,

[notin]

I am. Henry has a real problem with his Boston fans. Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player will really turn off Sox local fans. He has to remember he is competing with the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for the hearts and minds of local fans. Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves especially in view of his reported interest in helping Lebron James obtain an NBA franchise.

 

None of the Patriots, Celtics, and Bruins play in the summer months. Many if not most fans already support multiple teams…

[Elktonnick]

The only unequivocal star player we might get back for Bogey, would be another 2 month rental that plays a different position, and even that is highly improbable.

 

It's 2 months of Bogey- not 6 years.

Sox fans in Boston are super pissed at Henry. They will not tolerate any Betts type deal. You can postulate any number of possible scenarios but the bottom line is that any deal must be sold to the public. They will not be bought off with any rebuild kind of nonsense. This team was two games from the world series. The fans believe that Bloom Deconstructed the team. It was a false economy move.

All I am saying is they can not move Bogaerts without a quality return (And I do not mean a Trevor Story type) or Henry will pay a major price. The Patriots Celtics and Bruins (And perhaps the Revs) will be the winners and the Red Sox franchise will suffer. I saw that happen in Baltimore when Angelos refused to spend even though they had the money.

[notin]

It's one incident. Hopefully he will learn from it. He'd better.

 

Also not sure why you're not giving him any credit on the attitude front for getting vaxed.

 

That was his most egregious but Duran has had more than one incident…

[mvp 78]

None of the Patriots, Celtics, and Bruins play in the summer months. Many if not most fans already support multiple teams…

 

And the Sox won't have to worry about eyeballs after the beginning of September.

[Elktonnick]

None of the Patriots, Celtics, and Bruins play in the summer months. Many if not most fans already support multiple teams…

True but they market year round. My family who still live in Boston tell me that the Red Sox brand is taking a big hit. Long time fans are losing interest. The demand for tickets on the secondary market has collapsed. Seasons ticket holders are giving up their seats. If I were Henry I would not be so cavalier about fan interest as you seem to be.

[notin]

I am. Henry has a real problem with his Boston fans. Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player will really turn off Sox local fans. He has to remember he is competing with the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for the hearts and minds of local fans. Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves especially in view of his reported interest in helping Lebron James obtain an NBA franchise.

 

 

Who cares if Henry buys an NBA franchise? Nothing seems more shallow than telling Henry he has to spend his money on specific teams. The guys had spent several billion dollars over the years on our entertaining and still people cry out that he’s spending more to entertain someone else?

[mvp 78]

Who cares if Henry buys an NBA franchise? Nothing seems more shallow than telling Henry he has to spend his money on specific teams. The guys had spent several billion dollars over the years on our entertaining and still people cry out that he’s spending more to entertain someone else?

 

But not with LeBrOn JaMeS!

[Elktonnick]

Who cares if Henry buys an NBA franchise? Nothing seems more shallow than telling Henry he has to spend his money on specific teams. The guys had spent several billion dollars over the years on our entertaining and still people cry out that he’s spending more to entertain someone else?

I can see you are not sensitive to public relations. On one hand he wants the Red Sox to economize and spend less on putting a quality product on the field yet on the other hand he wants to spend beaucoup dollars to help an athlete who called Boston fans racists to buy a team to compete with their beloved Celtics. This is after his efforts to spend a fortune to buy an NHL team to compete with their beloved Bruins.

No wonder Liverpool fans hate Henry for his effort to destroy the English Premier League.

[Bellhorn04]

That was his most egregious but Duran has had more than one incident…

 

What was the next most egregious?

[Nick]

Betts is gone, I'm still a Sox fan. I'm not made at Henry at all.