Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[moonslav59]

It clearly is not good now. That is what is important if you like chowder.

 

The deadline is near. Maybe we can trade Henry for the Howard House Chowder Recipe and a cook to be named later.

[Elktonnick]

The deadline is near. Maybe we can trade Henry for the Howard House Chowder Recipe and a cook to be named later.

 

The way Bloom.is going they should throw him in the deal, but Sherry (that was the chef's name) probably won't give up her recipe at any price.

[notin]

Btw it was better before Bloom. In fact it was terrific in 2018 under DD. I couldn't get enough of it.

 

Yes it was. But that era created a lot of bills to pay. The Sox are still paying most of them…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Oh before I forget Tom and Jean Yawkey.had no children.

 

If Tom's kids grew up to be like him, then that was probably a good thing.

[moonslav59]

If Tom's kids grew up to be like him, then that was probably a good thing.

 

Good?

 

https://bosoxinjection.com/2020/05/24/red-sox-controversial-figures-tom-yawkey/

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Not sure why we would go after John Henry after all he has done for the Red Sox. I get it, Betts isn't here and that sucks, but the Red Sox have one of the biggest payrolls in 2022 and are a last place team. Some of the blame has to fall on the general manager, the guy who went out of his way to go with a RF platoon of Jackie Bradley dipshit and Muslim Arroyo, not to mention the other areas of weakness on the 2022 team.

[moonslav59]

Not sure why we would go after John Henry after all he has done for the Red Sox. I get it, Betts isn't here and that sucks, but the Red Sox have one of the biggest payrolls in 2022 and are a last place team. Some of the blame has to fall on the general manager, the guy who went out of his way to go with a RF platoon of Jackie Bradley dipshit and Muslim Arroyo, not to mention the other areas of weakness on the 2022 team.

 

Greedy bastards.

 

We shoulda had 5-6 rings, not 4.

 

Fire Henry!!!

 

Ok, ok, I'm really going to bed, now.

[jad]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/red-sox-acquire-abraham-almonte-from-brewers.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

We're saved!!! Who needs Mookie? JD? Devers? Xander? We now have a 10-year veteran with a MiLB BA of .230.

[Bellhorn04]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/red-sox-acquire-abraham-almonte-from-brewers.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

We're saved!!! Who needs Mookie? JD? Devers? Xander? We now have a 10-year veteran with a MiLB BA of .230.

 

Nothing to be done, jad, my fellow (Samuel) Beckett fan.

[jacksonianmarch]

The crash after 2018 made it obvious that a builder was needed. The builder was so good at his job that he succeeded in building a team that went to the ALCS while rebuilding and restocking talent. My bet is the Sox are down for 2 years after this one and by 2025, they’ll be a deep force to be reckoned with…..if Henry allows it.

[cp176]

The crash after 2018 made it obvious that a builder was needed. The builder was so good at his job that he succeeded in building a team that went to the ALCS while rebuilding and restocking talent. My bet is the Sox are down for 2 years after this one and by 2025, they’ll be a deep force to be reckoned with…..if Henry allows it.

 

hmmm - I'm still looking for this amazing influx of talent that we can expect to be overwhelmed by. Remember that we Red Sox fans can overate our minor leaguers with the best of them. Currently they are unwatchable. I had more fun watching them in the early 60's. At least we could hit.

[mvp 78]

The crash after 2018 made it obvious that a builder was needed. The builder was so good at his job that he succeeded in building a team that went to the ALCS while rebuilding and restocking talent. My bet is the Sox are down for 2 years after this one and by 2025, they’ll be a deep force to be reckoned with…..if Henry allows it.

 

I'd prefer an owner that stays out of the way. No more Pablo/Hanley or Desperate Dave moves. Stay the course.

[jad]

Nothing to be done, jad, my fellow (Samuel) Beckett fan.

 

I'm expecting any minute now a boy with a child-like BLoomian face to appear telling us that surely 2023 will be the year.

[moonslav59]

hmmm - I'm still looking for this amazing influx of talent that we can expect to be overwhelmed by. Remember that we Red Sox fans can overate our minor leaguers with the best of them. Currently they are unwatchable. I had more fun watching them in the early 60's. At least we could hit.

 

Our farm has improved greatly, in part because several DD additions have risen farther than many of us expected, but nobody is saying the farm is where we think it needs to be, right now. Most of us know building a farm is not easy and takes time- usually a lot of time to do it right. We are not at the point where we can expect 2-3 significant farm additions every season. One expected to reach the bigs, this year (Casas) got hurt right at the wrong time.

 

Blowing up the farm to make a run for it this year seems to still be a pipe dream for a poster or two, but I think the rest of us realize a strong and deep farm is needed to sustain winning year after year. Even the Dodgers, who outspend everyone, always has a strong farm. Look at the Astros- same thing with the fram, not so much on big spending.

 

I'm not going to blame injuries. Other teams were hurt more than us, when we were winning, so maybe we were just due, but the fact is, half our team are AAA players filling in for injured players over this recent horrific stretch. Couple that with playing top competition was just too much for this team.

 

It seems blaming someone is the way of the land, so it's not unexpected to see the blame game is full force, these days. I guess, if it helps people deal with the frustration and move on, then that's the way it goes.

 

I don't blame Henry for easing up on spending from time to time. Overall, he keeps our budget top 5 or 6, every year. Does he make mistakes in hirings? Maybe, but each GM hire has led to a ring, not counting Bloom, who is still here and trying to get us there.

 

I don't blame Bloom, because I look at the context of the team/farm and budget limits he was handed. Has he made mistakes? Certainly. All GMs do. Has he done what his main priority had to have been: to build up the farm and roster depth to a point where we can compete? I'd say yes, despite this recent blip and the 10 & 20 start to the season. I'm fine with others disagreeing, and they have some strong points. I might oversimplify his time here as overachieving in '21 and underachieving in '22 while working a budget that includes $29M for Sale and $16M for Price, not to mention significant rbi drop offs by $22M JD and $20M Bogey and a decline from $17M Eovaldi. $24M Story is on him, but let's not pretend he built this budget or set his own limits.

 

I don't blame Cora, because I think he knows his s*** and has shown an ability to get the most out of some mediocre rosters. He was king in 2018, but he's had challenges, since then. I think he was a big part of the rise in 2021, but he makes mistakes, too. This year's roster looked pretty close to '21's, and somehow we have fallen flat and lost our fundamentals. That is traditionally a manager's "blame area," so I don't think it's unfair to be critical of him, this year. I just don't "blame him."

 

I don't like singling out individual players on any team I root for. Of course, I get upset when a few fail, too often, or play like dopes, but it seems like a confluence of bad seasons has come upon us. Too many players have not lived up to expectations, all at once. I'm not going to name names, but certainly we can all point to a few guys as having let the team down, this year.

 

I guess, if I have to blame, I'd spread it around nearly evenly.

[jad]

I keep hearing this justification for JG/Bloom: we have the 6th highest payroll! But 3 of those higher than the RS are in first place, and the Padres are second behind LAD. Do you suppose there is a correlation between the money you spend and the quality of the team? (hmm... give me a minute). Or are we to start the triumphant chant: WE'RE NUMBER SIX!! WE'RE NUMBER SIX!! WE'RE NUMBER SIX!!

[sk7326]

Our farm has improved greatly, in part because several DD additions have risen farther than many of us expected, but nobody is saying the farm is where we think it needs to be, right now. Most of us know building a farm is not easy and takes time- usually a lot of time to do it right. We are not at the point where we can expect 2-3 significant farm additions every season. One expected to reach the bigs, this year (Casas) got hurt right at the wrong time.

 

Blowing up the farm to make a run for it this year seems to still be a pipe dream for a poster or two, but I think the rest of us realize a strong and deep farm is needed to sustain winning year after year. Even the Dodgers, who outspend everyone, always has a strong farm. Look at the Astros- same thing with the fram, not so much on big spending.

 

I'm not going to blame injuries. Other teams were hurt more than us, when we were winning, so maybe we were just due, but the fact is, half our team are AAA players filling in for injured players over this recent horrific stretch. Couple that with playing top competition was just too much for this team.

 

It seems blaming someone is the way of the land, so it's not unexpected to see the blame game is full force, these days. I guess, if it helps people deal with the frustration and move on, then that's the way it goes.

 

I don't blame Henry for easing up on spending from time to time. Overall, he keeps our budget top 5 or 6, every year. Does he make mistakes in hirings? Maybe, but each GM hire has led to a ring, not counting Bloom, who is still here and trying to get us there.

 

I don't blame Bloom, because I look at the context of the team/farm and budget limits he was handed. Has he made mistakes? Certainly. All GMs do. Has he done what his main priority had to have been: to build up the farm and roster depth to a point where we can compete? I'd say yes, despite this recent blip and the 10 & 20 start to the season. I'm fine with others disagreeing, and they have some strong points. I might oversimplify his time here as overachieving in '21 and underachieving in '22 while working a budget that includes $29M for Sale and $16M for Price, not to mention significant rbi drop offs by $22M JD and $20M Bogey and a decline from $17M Eovaldi. $24M Story is on him, but let's not pretend he built this budget or set his own limits.

 

I don't blame Cora, because I think he knows his s*** and has shown an ability to get the most out of some mediocre rosters. He was king in 2018, but he's had challenges, since then. I think he was a big part of the rise in 2021, but he makes mistakes, too. This year's roster looked pretty close to '21's, and somehow we have fallen flat and lost our fundamentals. That is traditionally a manager's "blame area," so I don't think it's unfair to be critical of him, this year. I just don't "blame him."

 

I don't like singling out individual players on any team I root for. Of course, I get upset when a few fail, too often, or play like dopes, but it seems like a confluence of bad seasons has come upon us. Too many players have not lived up to expectations, all at once. I'm not going to name names, but certainly we can all point to a few guys as having let the team down, this year.

 

I guess, if I have to blame, I'd spread it around nearly evenly.

 

I think it is clear the rainbow is the Dodgers where they have a rich farm system but can use their financial hammer too. The Dodgers and the Red Sox indeed are both using Tampa Bay organizational best practices.

 

Really, ownership probably gets the lion's share of the blame - not because Henry did not spend money, but because his organizational priorities have fluctuated wildly and at times seems way way too responsive to what talk shows say about the team. After all, the team greenlighted David Price, a deal which went poorly (even acknowleding Price's yeoman work in the 2018 postseason) in some somewhat difficult to anticipate ways (his arm). Ownership greenlighted the Sale extension, a deal which looked shaky as it was happening. At the same time, the team gets weak kneed about paying a superstar for the superstar's superstar years - and then moves him to help get rid of Price.

 

I largely don't blame any of the GMs - they have all done jobs that ownership asked of them. Dombrowski drafted well and did a good job - and he did exactly what ownership wanted him to do. Bloom has done a nice job making some good value signings and bringing in more quality arms than the org has had in a while.

 

Cora is one of the league's best managers - but when you have to negotiate "Eovaldi, a Pavetta hot streak and hope" as your starting pitching, you can only conjure up so much magic.

 

But still, his era will come down to ownership priorities. If the team is not willing to pay Devers superstar prices for his superstar years - a team with Boston's $$ heft - then what are we doing here.

[Kimmi]

I almost feel like it's my obligation to come here and defend our beloved team, manager, GM, and owner included. It's been an extremely brutal 3 weeks, so I understand the criticism and the pessimism, but there's still a lot of baseball to be played.

 

And obviously, I am fighting a losing battle.

[Kimmi]

Like he instantly knew, it was Dugo's ball.

 

I have my doubts.

 

It looked to me, like he chose to pout. Just my opinion.

 

It didn't look good. I'm sure Cora spoke with him privately about it. Young players make mistakes. He's not the first player to not run out a play.

[JDavis76]

And obviously, I am fighting a losing battle.

 

It's tough to defend an inferior product

[Kimmi]

This is not a team that could contend for a WS ring. Even when Devers and JDM get back, we still are not capable one through nine and our depth is not there.. The real problem is pitching depth. We won last night with pitching, garnering only 6 hits against average pitching. I see Bloom as having made the choice to build the team for 2023 and beyond.

 

The way they are playing now, it doesn't look good. Yet, just a few short weeks ago, they looked like one of the best teams in baseball. People can say what they want about not being able to beat the AL East, but in baseball, things change in a heartbeat. If they can get healthy, they can contend.

[Kimmi]

I am. Henry has a real problem with his Boston fans. Selling Bogaerts without a major return of a unequivocal star player will really turn off Sox local fans. He has to remember he is competing with the Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for the hearts and minds of local fans. Right now most local fans are not happy with Henry's economy moves especially in view of his reported interest in helping Lebron James obtain an NBA franchise.

 

I don't see the Sox trading Bogaerts before the end of the season. But as I posted elsewhere, if they are going to trade JD and Eovaldi, they should trade Bogaerts as well.

[JDavis76]

The way they are playing now, it doesn't look good. Yet, just a few short weeks ago, they looked like one of the best teams in baseball. People can say what they want about not being able to beat the AL East, but in baseball, things change in a heartbeat. If they can get healthy, they can contend.

 

Two things.

 

First off, they never looked like the best team in baseball. If I recall correctly, over their hot streak they actually ended up one game further back of the Yanks than when it started.

 

Secondly, that hot streak just happened to coincide with the weakest part of their schedule, then reality set back in.

[Kimmi]

Betts is gone, I'm still a Sox fan. I'm not made at Henry at all.

 

100%

[Kimmi]

To me the bottom line is whether you treat the fans fairly by trying to put a winning team on the field, and spending. I believe Henry has done both consistently.

 

The 2020 team might have been the first, and only, Red Sox team in the Henry era that obviously had no chance of making the playoffs going into the season.

 

I think a lot of Sox fans have been spoiled by success, just as it was predicted they would become once they broke through and won it all.

 

1. I even think the 2020 team had a chance until we lost Sale and ERod.

 

2. Sadly, we have become everything that we disliked about the Yankees fanbase. IMO

[sk7326]

The way they are playing now, it doesn't look good. Yet, just a few short weeks ago, they looked like one of the best teams in baseball. People can say what they want about not being able to beat the AL East, but in baseball, things change in a heartbeat. If they can get healthy, they can contend.

 

If the city of Boston could be moved to the West Coast, the Red Sox would be a 110 win team.

 

Boston's record against >.500 teams

 

NYY: 4-6

TOR: 3-10

TB: 2-8

BAL: 3-5

CLE: 4-1

MIN: 2-2

CHW: 2-4

HOU: 2-1

SEA: 2-1

ATL: 1-1

STL: 2-1

 

12-29 against the East, 27-40 against >.500 teams. I guess a surge is possible - and the team deserves credit for feasting on the dregs of its schedule ... but woof

[Kimmi]

Btw it was better before Bloom. In fact it was terrific in 2018 under DD. I couldn't get enough of it.

 

The problem is, the model under Dombrowski is not sustainable. It's exactly what it turned out to be. Win now at the expense of the future.

[Kimmi]

The way Bloom.is going they should throw him in the deal, but Sherry (that was the chef's name) probably won't give up her recipe at any price.

 

My only hope is that Bloom, or more accurately Henry, doesn't panic and give in to the pressure. Stick with the plan, Bloom.

[Kimmi]

The crash after 2018 made it obvious that a builder was needed. The builder was so good at his job that he succeeded in building a team that went to the ALCS while rebuilding and restocking talent. My bet is the Sox are down for 2 years after this one and by 2025, they’ll be a deep force to be reckoned with…..if Henry allows it.

 

As with your last prediction of the Sox not being competitive until 2025, I think you'll be disappointingly surprised. But I do agree with your first two sentences. I also agree with the last part of your post that Henry must have patience and allow Bloom to carry on.

[Kimmi]

Two things.

 

First off, they never looked like the best team in baseball. If I recall correctly, over their hot streak they actually ended up one game further back of the Yanks than when it started.

 

Secondly, that hot streak just happened to coincide with the weakest part of their schedule, then reality set back in.

 

I said one the best teams. Can you argue against that?

 

I realize that the streak occurred against a weaker part of the schedule. I didn't expect them to continue playing the .769 ball that they played in June, but I think it's fair to say that they also shouldn't be playing the .273 ball that they've played in July. The Sox, even with their mostly AAA roster, are better than that.

[notin]

As with your last prediction of the Sox not being competitive until 2025, I think you'll be disappointingly surprised. But I do agree with your first two sentences. I also agree with the last part of your post that Henry must have patience and allow Bloom to carry on.

 

Jacko only acknowledges two strategies for non-Yankee teams. “All in” where you empty the farm for a grandiose postseason run, and “complete tear down” where you deal away any and every marketable asset in order to build for the long term future.

 

Teams rarely if ever do either one…