Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[Deja Doh]

I imagine that half of the team will be (or are) on the block. The way we've played over the past week and half the writing is on the wall.

 

The FA's (JD, Eovaldi, Wacha, etc.) will be on the move.

 

Here's to 2024 or 2025.

[Noles_1335]

Blow it up…. And send Bloom kicking rocks too! What an embarrassment of a team right now!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

They should be sellers.

 

Problem is, is Bloom smart enough to figure that out or is he desperate enough to be a buyer at the deadline? Can we trust Bloom to make the right choice?

 

For the believers in Bloom: when does John Henry begin to think about replacing him? Bloom will survive this year no matter what, I realize that, but let's say, for hypothetical purposes, that the Red Sox aren't any good next year. Should that open the door for John Henry to bring in a new GM after 2023? I'm just wondering how much rope Bloom has.

 

I don't support getting rid of Bloom, not yet anyway, but I'm concerned.

Edited July 23, 2022 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Fangraphs playoff odds: 33%

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I read this somewhere -- funny but true: "Red Sox are only a 1B, RF, CF, LF, closer, and a couple of starters away from making a run."

[jacksonianmarch]

I do so enjoy watching you eat your words and realize the Sox suck this year

[harmony]

I imagine that half of the team will be (or are) on the block. The way we've played over the past week and half the writing is on the wall.

 

The FA's (JD, Eovaldi, Wacha, etc.) will be on the move.

 

Here's to 2024 or 2025.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-93607/

[vjcsmoke]

I imagine that half of the team will be (or are) on the block. The way we've played over the past week and half the writing is on the wall.

 

The FA's (JD, Eovaldi, Wacha, etc.) will be on the move.

 

Here's to 2024 or 2025.

 

Gave up 28 runs. Most runs given up by the Red Sox since 1950. WTF? This team is a JOKE! Bloom is a JOKE!! Even if we sell, do you have any confidence this Bloom guy won't make all the wrong choices? This is the guy who paid 140m/6 years for a 29 yo middleinfielder "slugging" for a grand total of .713 OPS with a .221 Batting average in Fenway Park. And traded a 30 HR bat for the JOKE of a player known as JBJ. OOF. How much more damage will Bloom do to this team?

[jad]

This team has 3 All-Stars and they all have been productive. So the idea is to get rid of them to make room for more Bloom guys? Like the middle-relievers that have allowed 50+ runs over the past three games? I like Cora a lot--the only one who didn't throw his team-mates and coaches under the bus during the sign-stealing scandal. But he'll obviously have to be the one to take the fall for this (along with, say, the guys referred to in sentence 1).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They should be sellers.

 

Problem is, is Bloom smart enough to figure that out or is he desperate enough to be a buyer at the deadline? Can we trust Bloom to make the right choice?

 

For the believers in Bloom: when does John Henry begin to think about replacing him? Bloom will survive this year no matter what, I realize that, but let's say, for hypothetical purposes, that the Red Sox aren't any good next year. Should that open the door for John Henry to bring in a new GM after 2023? I'm just wondering how much rope Bloom has.

 

I don't support getting rid of Bloom, not yet anyway, but I'm concerned.

 

Why would we trust Bloom to buy at the deadline when he wouldn't buy at the liveline? The team was very much alive preseason through June when he wouldn't add a closer, an outfielder who could hit, and a big league first baseman.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I was looking forward to the reaction after that game. Last time I checked it still counts as one loss, no different than 4-3. Sure if FEELS different but let's not get carried away just yet.

[Elktonnick]

Gave up 28 runs. Most runs given up by the Red Sox since 1950. WTF? This team is a JOKE! Bloom is a JOKE!! Even if we sell, do you have any confidence this Bloom guy won't make all the wrong choices? This is the guy who paid 140m/6 years for a 29 yo middleinfielder "slugging" for a grand total of .713 OPS with a .221 Batting average in Fenway Park. And traded a 30 HR bat for the JOKE of a player known as JBJ. OOF. How much more damage will Bloom do to this team?

Answer: A lot!

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom was brought in to rebuild the Sox. His 2020 team got you Mayer. 2021 was a surprise. He was supposed to be able to tear down the team, but he had to add to it because they were winning at the deadline. This year, he’s subtracted a few and added some guys on the cheap while securing his long term SS. He’s a master trader. I know his deal for Renfroe is getting skewered, but the two kids in the minors are the real reason he dealt Renfroe. The Betts trade was centered on a top prospect and a now OFer. Both have taken downturns, so the trade looks rough now. As a Yankee fan, it pains me to see what Bloom can do once Henry gives the all out sell signal. Bloom will rebuild and will turn the team into a perennial contender if the Sox faithful don’t get him fired first

[Bellhorn04]

I was looking forward to the reaction after that game. Last time I checked it still counts as one loss' date=' no different than 4-3. Sure if FEELS different but let's not get carried away just yet.[/quote']

 

It is only one game, but Eovaldi getting smoked, on top of Sale's new injury and Pivetta's sudden bad stretch, and Wacha and Hill still being out, doesn't leave much room for hope.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom was brought in to rebuild the Sox. His 2020 team got you Mayer. 2021 was a surprise. He was supposed to be able to tear down the team, but he had to add to it because they were winning at the deadline.

 

It's pure unfounded speculation on your part that Bloom wanted to tear down in 2021 rather than compete.

[moonslav59]

It's pure unfounded speculation on your part that Bloom wanted to tear down in 2021 rather than compete.

 

He might have expected it, before the year started.

[Bellhorn04]

He might have expected it, before the year started.

 

Still speculation. He made acquisitions that helped the team-Pivetta, Whitlock, Kike, Renfroe etc. (not to mention Cora). Is the suggestion that he didn't actually want these guys to succeed?

 

I think that's rubbish.

[JDavis76]

It is only one game, but Eovaldi getting smoked, on top of Sale's new injury and Pivetta's sudden bad stretch, and Wacha and Hill still being out, doesn't leave much room for hope.

 

Sudden bad stretch?!!

 

He's just reverted back to who he has always been, a terrible pitcher....

[Bellhorn04]

Sudden bad stretch?!!

 

He's just reverted back to who he has always been, a terrible pitcher....

 

Well, he did shut you up for a while at least.

[JDavis76]

Well, he did shut you up for a while at least.

 

Not really, I have always maintained that he sucks. moonslop tried to say otherwise.

[Bellhorn04]

Not really, I have always maintained that he sucks. moonslop tried to say otherwise.

 

He was great for 11 games from May 7 to June 29, 74 innings, 1.95 ERA.

 

Just saying "he sucks" is stupid.

[JDavis76]

He was great for 11 games from May 7 to June 29, 74 innings, 1.95 ERA.

 

Just saying "he sucks" is stupid.

 

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

 

Denying that he is what his career says he is is stupid.....

[moonslav59]

I don't think I have ever used one game to radically change my mind about anything pertaining to baseball, but yesterday tested that limit.

[Bellhorn04]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

 

Denying that he is what his career says he is is stupid.....

 

I don't give a s*** what he did with the Phillies.

 

With the Red Sox he's been a solid back end starter, and he's cheap.

[Maxbialystock]

It is only one game, but Eovaldi getting smoked, on top of Sale's new injury and Pivetta's sudden bad stretch, and Wacha and Hill still being out, doesn't leave much room for hope.

 

That's what I kept saying--as recently as yesterday before the game. I think the bullpen is OK--despite last night--but the rotation is a disaster, and it is hurt further by the weak defense, especially in the outfield and @ first base. While the hitting this season is down, it's better than the pitching, defense, and baserunning--but last night the 7th, 8th, and 9th hitters all had OPS's below .600.

 

I keep remembering that series 2 weeks ago at Tampa where the Rays swept 4 straight. That the scores were close was misleading because to my eyes one team was professional in all aspects of the game, and the other, our Sox, was not. And guess what? Their presumptive star, 21 year old shortstop Wander Franco who recently signed a big contract (but nowhere near what Mookie got and Bogaerts and Devers are demanding), didn't play in any of those four games.

 

 

 

On top of that, a really nice crowd, almost 37,000, at Fenway last night. The display by this Sox team was disgraceful.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think I have ever used one game to radically change my mind about anything pertaining to baseball, but yesterday tested that limit.

 

I know what you're saying.

[Bellhorn04]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

 

Denying that he is what his career says he is is stupid.....

 

Clay Holmes has a 4.01 career ERA, it was 5.57 with the Pirates.

 

Does he suck too?

[Maxbialystock]

I don't think I have ever used one game to radically change my mind about anything pertaining to baseball, but yesterday tested that limit.

 

It should not have tested your limit because it only confirmed what we saw at Yankee Stadium before the ASG break and the four straight losses at Tampa before that. None of those four losses were debacles, but every game seemed to me to demonstrate how professional the Rays are--even without their SS Wander Franco--in every aspect of the game and how the Red Sox are not.

[moonslav59]

Clay Holmes has a 4.01 career ERA, it was 5.57 with the Pirates.

 

Does he suck too?

 

Any moment, he should revert to what he was.

 

No player has ever improved over his previous norm.

[moonslav59]

It should not have tested your limit because it only confirmed what we saw at Yankee Stadium before the ASG break and the four straight losses at Tampa before that. None of those four losses were debacles, but every game seemed to me to demonstrate how professional the Rays are--even without their SS Wander Franco--in every aspect of the game and how the Red Sox are not.

 

I was already leaning towards an all out sell-off, so maybe "radical" was a poor choice of words, but yesterday's game moved the needle more than any other single game has ever done, since maybe that shellacking we took from the Yanks, decades ago.