Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[Bellhorn04]

The guys had spent several billion dollars over the years on our entertaining and still people cry out that he’s spending more to entertain someone else?

 

The several billion dollars does of course come from the people being entertained.

[Elktonnick]

The several billion dollars does of course come from the people being entertained.

I think that is a part of the issue. Henry increased his fortune because of Red Sox fans financial support and later from Liverpool fans. Now he is seen as depriving the Red Sox team of the financial resources to compete successfully. They consider that he is using these resources that should go to Boston to buy franchises to compete with Boston teams.

Moreover Boston fans see no reason for the economy moves with the Red Sox since except for the pandemic the Red Sox have been profitable as has NESN.

[JDavis76]

I think that is a part of the issue. Henry increased his fortune because of Red Sox fans financial support and later from Liverpool fans. Now he is seen as depriving the Red Sox team of the financial resources to compete successfully. They consider that he is using these resources that should go to Boston to buy franchises to compete with Boston teams.

Moreover Boston fans see no reason for the economy moves with the Red Sox since except for the pandemic the Red Sox have been profitable as has NESN.

 

Just because you repeat a lie over and over doesn't make it any more true. The fact is the sox have a top 6 payroll. Stop with the nonsense, they are not spending like the A's or the rays.

[dgalehouse]

I think that is a part of the issue. Henry increased his fortune because of Red Sox fans financial support and later from Liverpool fans. Now he is seen as depriving the Red Sox team of the financial resources to compete successfully. They consider that he is using these resources that should go to Boston to buy franchises to compete with Boston teams.

Moreover Boston fans see no reason for the economy moves with the Red Sox since except for the pandemic the Red Sox have been profitable as has NESN.

 

With John Henry as owner , the Sox broke the "curse " and have four championships. He certainly deserves at least part of the credit and our gratitude for that. That said , he does not come across as a very likable , down to earth guy. More like a cold , elitist snob. He made his fortune in hedge fund kind of money management. Not that there is anything wrong with that. For years ,he has soaked the paying fans with sky high ticket and concession prices. He chased the popular vendors away from their spots around Fenway. He seems to be uncomfortable with your average Sox fan. Now he seems to have other priorities. So , while I do appreciate the championships , I have to say that I really don't care much for the guy.

[Bellhorn04]

With John Henry as owner , the Sox broke the "curse " and have four championships. He certainly deserves at least part of the credit and our gratitude for that. That said , he does not come across as a very likable , down to earth guy. More like a cold , elitist snob. He made his fortune in hedge fund kind of money management. Not that there is anything wrong with that. For years ,he has soaked the paying fans with sky high ticket and concession prices. He chased the popular vendors away from their spots around Fenway. He seems to be uncomfortable with your average Sox fan. Now he seems to have other priorities. So , while I do appreciate the championships , I have to say that I really don't care much for the guy.

 

An honest question - which Red Sox owner or any other sports team owner do you find likable?

[JDavis76]

An honest question - which Red Sox owner or any other sports team owner do you find likable?

 

Aside from his political views, Mark Cuban seems like an alright guy to me. (No political debate needed)

[moonslav59]

Sox fans in Boston are super pissed at Henry. They will not tolerate any Betts type deal. You can postulate any number of possible scenarios but the bottom line is that any deal must be sold to the public. They will not be bought off with any rebuild kind of nonsense. This team was two games from the world series. The fans believe that Bloom Deconstructed the team. It was a false economy move.

All I am saying is they can not move Bogaerts without a quality return (And I do not mean a Trevor Story type) or Henry will pay a major price. The Patriots Celtics and Bruins (And perhaps the Revs) will be the winners and the Red Sox franchise will suffer. I saw that happen in Baltimore when Angelos refused to spend even though they had the money.

 

This team will not go cheap, like BAL did.

 

Fans will be pissed, but if they got over Betts, I'm not sure why Bogey would be the last straw.

 

Now, Betts, Bogey, then Devers, maybe, but only if fans think the team sucks and or is getting worse looking farther ahead.

 

To me, Betts leaving is 10 times worse than Bogey.

 

Devers leaving would be 8-10 times worse.

 

Fans get over crap like this.

 

Hell, we once traded Lester, Lackey, Peavy, Doubront and Miller all at once, and fans shut up after the ring a few years later.

[Bellhorn04]

This team will not go cheap, like BAL did.

 

Fans will be pissed, but if they got over Betts, I'm not sure why Bogey would be the last straw.

 

Now, Betts, Bogey, then Devers, maybe, but only if fans think the team sucks and or is getting worse looking farther ahead.

 

To me, Betts leaving is 10 times worse than Bogey.

 

Devers leaving would be 8-10 times worse.

 

Fans get over crap like this.

 

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Some fans are still very pissed about Betts. And while Betts is not Babe Ruth, nobody ever got over that one.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Some fans are still very pissed about Betts. And while Betts is not Babe Ruth, nobody ever got over that one.

 

Winning a ring will work. Hell, 2021 shut a lot of people up.

 

My point is that Bogey is no Betts.

 

Yes, the cumulative effect will catch up to Henry, before too long, but seriously, If he keeps spending in the top 5-6, I'm not sure the bitching is warranted, unless we keep stinking up the joint.

[dgalehouse]

An honest question - which Red Sox owner or any other sports team owner do you find likable?

 

It is kind of hard to relate to any of these guys. Just off the top of my head , I think owners like Kraft , Cuban , Finley, Mara , Jones and even Steinbrenner ( George ) have/had more down to earth personalities that made them interesting and relatable. I could probably think of better examples with time. I guess , like many things , it's just a matter of opinion. I don't want to upset anybody , but I just don't much care for John Henry.

[moonslav59]

It is kind of hard to relate to any of these guys. Just off the top of my head , I think owners like Kraft , Cuban , Finley, Mara , Jones and even Steinbrenner ( George ) have/had more down to earth personalities that made them interesting and relatable. I could probably think of better examples with time. I guess , like many things , it's just a matter of opinion. I don't want to upset anybody , but I just don't much care for John Henry.

 

So, pricks are more down to earth?

[dgalehouse]

So, pricks are more down to earth?

 

Maybe , except for you.

[Bellhorn04]

To me the bottom line is whether you treat the fans fairly by trying to put a winning team on the field, and spending. I believe Henry has done both consistently.

 

The 2020 team might have been the first, and only, Red Sox team in the Henry era that obviously had no chance of making the playoffs going into the season.

 

I think a lot of Sox fans have been spoiled by success, just as it was predicted they would become once they broke through and won it all.

[Bellhorn04]

So, pricks are more down to earth?

 

To me Kraft is an example of someone who looks like a nice guy but is the farthest thing from it.

[Elktonnick]

To me the bottom line is whether you treat the fans fairly by trying to put a winning team on the field, and spending. I believe Henry has done both consistently.

 

The 2020 team might have been the first, and only, Red Sox team in the Henry era that obviously had no chance of making the playoffs going into the season.

 

I think a lot of Sox fans have been spoiled by success, just as it was predicted they would become once they broke through and won it all.

Kennedy said that there have been no discussions with any one about moving Bogaerts.

From what I understand Lou Merloni went on a real tirade against Bloom on Weei either today or yesterday who he said has no sense of urgency. Further more Merloni really dumped on Duran and Jeter Downs who he said have no business on any major league roster.

While I did not hear Merloni myself, I am told he said that the Sox have only four position players who belong on a major league team, Devers, Bogaerts, JDM and Vasquez.

Like I said Henry's recent moves are not sitting well in bean town.

The fact that Henry has brought 4 titles to Boston is yesterday's news.

Personally I would be surprised if Bloom makes any major effort to move any of the team's core stars at the deadline.

 

BTW Merloni was offered a broadcasting job with NESN before the 22 season but Merloni reportedly turned it down.

[Maxbialystock]

To me the bottom line is whether you treat the fans fairly by trying to put a winning team on the field, and spending. I believe Henry has done both consistently.

 

The 2020 team might have been the first, and only, Red Sox team in the Henry era that obviously had no chance of making the playoffs going into the season.

 

I think a lot of Sox fans have been spoiled by success, just as it was predicted they would become once they broke through and won it all.

 

While I can agree John Henry might not be a good guy in person, the fact that he is a coldhearted and successful businessman is probably why the Sox have been so successful under him. The scene at Fenway Park near the end of the movie Moneyball is probably not what really happened, but it does have a line that resonates when the John Henry character says that one of the nice things about having money is you don't have to do what everyone else is doing.

 

It is kind of amazing that, after an 86 year drought, the JH regime not only ended the Curse, but brought home more WS wins--4-- in those 20 or so seasons than any other team in MLB. During those same 20 years (2003 thru 2022) the Yankees and Dodgers, both franchises with bigger ballparks, bigger fanbases, and plenty of money, have combined for a total of 3 WS wins.

[Bellhorn04]

The fact that Henry has brought 4 titles to Boston is yesterday's news.

 

Yes, I realize that a lot of fans have that mentality. As a Red Sox fan since 1969, I think it's a spoiled and entitled attitude. What's the use of trying to win titles when fans only want more and are dissatisfied with anything less.

[Bellhorn04]

While I can agree John Henry might not be a good guy in person, the fact that he is a coldhearted and successful businessman is probably why the Sox have been so successful under him. The scene at Fenway Park near the end of the movie Moneyball is probably not what really happened, but it does have a line that resonates when the John Henry character says that one of the nice things about having money is you don't have to do what everyone else is doing.

 

It is kind of amazing that, after an 86 year drought, the JH regime not only ended the Curse, but brought home more WS wins--4-- in those 20 or so seasons than any other team in MLB. During those same 20 years (2003 thru 2022) the Yankees and Dodgers, both franchises with bigger ballparks, bigger fanbases, and plenty of money, have combined for a total of 3 WS wins.

 

Well said, Max.

[Elktonnick]

Yes, I realize that a lot of fans have that mentality. As a Red Sox fan since 1969, I think it's a spoiled and entitled attitude. What's the use of trying to win titles when fans only want more and are dissatisfied with anything less.

 

While all of what you said may be true., the Red Sox need fannies in the seats and eyeballs on the tube to be successful. Yesterdays success does not draw anyone to the game or to watch on tv.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Bloom's comments concern me:

“It almost felt to me like between (the Sale injury) and what happened over the weekend, it got to where everybody just wrote us off,” Bloom told NESN’s Tom Caron, as seen on the network’s pregame coverage. “I don’t think people should be writing us off. I think even just this season alone we’ve been in worst spots than this. I know we’re banged up, and losing Chris, I don’t want to minimize that, it’s meaningful, but we still have a lot of talent.

https://nesn.com/2022/07/chaim-bloom-believes-nobody-should-be-writing-off-red-sox/

 

Maybe it is just GM talk, but he actually thinks the Red Sox have a chance. Interesting how he refers to the injuries using them as an excuse. That's what a bad GM does, starts blaming other things besides his own decisions.

[dgalehouse]

There is no question that the Sox are still in the hunt for one of the wild cards. But as we near the end of July , they are a whopping 17 games behind the Yankees. I do think that is not too good or something to feel good about. Not a good job by any means.

[moonslav59]

Maybe , except for you.

 

Coming from you, that’s a compliment.

[moonslav59]

While I can agree John Henry might not be a good guy in person, the fact that he is a coldhearted and successful businessman is probably why the Sox have been so successful under him. The scene at Fenway Park near the end of the movie Moneyball is probably not what really happened, but it does have a line that resonates when the John Henry character says that one of the nice things about having money is you don't have to do what everyone else is doing.

 

It is kind of amazing that, after an 86 year drought, the JH regime not only ended the Curse, but brought home more WS wins--4-- in those 20 or so seasons than any other team in MLB. During those same 20 years (2003 thru 2022) the Yankees and Dodgers, both franchises with bigger ballparks, bigger fanbases, and plenty of money, have combined for a total of 3 WS wins.

 

I guess some people can never stop complaining.

 

4 rings. Period.

[Elktonnick]

I guess some people can never stop complaining.

 

4 rings. Period.

There was this restaurant that served the best seafood chowder. People would line up for their chowder. The restaurant always won awards for the best seafood chowder in Maryland. Well the chef wanted a raise. The owner refused. The chef took her recipe and left. After a year or so people stopped eating at that restaurant. It did not matter how many awards the restaurant had won through the years. Their new chowder was not very good. That's why the Howard House in Elkton MD was sold after a 100 years.

[moonslav59]

There was this restaurant that served the best seafood chowder. People would line up for their chowder. The restaurant always won awards for the best seafood chowder in Maryland. Well the chef wanted a raise. The owner refused. The chef took her recipe and left. After a year or so people stopped eating at that restaurant. It did not matter how many awards the restaurant had won through the years. Their new chowder was not very good. That's why the Howard House in Elkton MD was sold after a 100 years.

 

Maybe a Yawkey grandchild can buy the Sox from Henry and they can serve chowder in the stands.

[Elktonnick]

Maybe a Yawkey grandchild can buy the Sox from Henry and they can serve chowder in the stands.

They already serve chowder at Fenway but it is not as good as what they used to serve at the Howard House..

[moonslav59]

They already serve chowder at Fenway but it is not as good as what they used to serve at the Howard House..

 

I wish we could go back to the Sox before Henry. The chowder was better.

 

Got it.

[Elktonnick]

I wish we could go back to the Sox before Henry. The chowder was better.

 

Got it.

 

It clearly is not good now. That is what is important if you like chowder.

[Elktonnick]

Btw it was better before Bloom. In fact it was terrific in 2018 under DD. I couldn't get enough of it.

[Elktonnick]

Maybe a Yawkey grandchild can buy the Sox from Henry and they can serve chowder in the stands.

Oh before I forget Tom and Jean Yawkey.had no children.