Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[Bellhorn04]

Duran's last 7 games:

 

3.4 BB%

51.7 K%

458 OPS

17 wRC+

 

Concerning!

[mvp 78]

If he's going to k at 30%, he may as well try hitting for more power. What he's doing now isn't working.

[moonslav59]

Duran is .727 against righties, so he's snails and buttah.

 

Duran has been so unimpressive.

[Bellhorn04]

Duran has been so unimpressive.

 

I don't disagree. The only point is that Refsnyder can't hit righties and Cora's usage of him has been fine.

[moonslav59]

I don't disagree. The only point is that Refsnyder can't hit righties and Cora's usage of him has been fine.

 

But Cora has started Ref many times v RHPs.

 

It really hasn’t been a real platoon.

 

Besides, the semi platoon is with JBJ not Duran.

[Bellhorn04]

But Cora has started Ref many times v RHPs.

 

It really hasn’t been a real platoon.

 

Besides, the semi platoon is with JBJ not Duran.

 

It hasn't been a strict platoon, no. Ref plays about half the time against righties. And I'll bet Cora has his reasons every time he does.

[moonslav59]

It hasn't been a strict platoon, no. Ref plays about half the time against righties. And I'll bet Cora has his reasons every time he does.

 

None of us can find reason enough to ever start JBJ, but yes, Cora makes that call.

[oldtimer]

The Sox took another miserable loss last night with very little hitting evident. I wonder why we haven't raised the white flag yet. The only prospects who are hitters that are nearly ready to be brought up are Casas and Yorke. Our outfield prospects are interesting but a year away. What can Bloom do? Bring up what we can and trade for prospects that might fill our needs. NO sense going for FA or ML ready players in trade as we are going nowhere this season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nick Yorke has a .636 OPS in High A, so he isn’t even close to ready

[Old Red]

The Sox took another miserable loss last night with very little hitting evident. I wonder why we haven't raised the white flag yet. The only prospects who are hitters that are nearly ready to be brought up are Casas and Yorke. Our outfield prospects are interesting but a year away. What can Bloom do? Bring up what we can and trade for prospects that might fill our needs. NO sense going for FA or ML ready players in trade as we are going nowhere this season.

Nick Yorke? He’s taking a big step back, and hasn’t played much lately. He’s not even ready for AA.

[Maxbialystock]

Sox WAR's this morning (July 30):

 

Devers 4.2

Bogey 3.8

Story 2.1

Vazquez 1.7

JDM 1.0

Refsnyder .6

Kike .3

Davis .2

Wong -.1

Duran -.2

Cordero -.3

Verdugo -.3

Arroyo -.3

Plawecki -.6

Downs -.6

JBJ -.7

Dalbec -.9

 

If you adds the plusses--13.9--and then subtract the minuses--4.0, the net is +9.9. The Sox are ranked 11th in MLB in runs scored and 11th in team OPS.

 

If you add up all the plus DWAR's, you get +3.7. The minus DWAR's add up to -4.7, so the Sox net DWAR as a team is -1.0.

 

The positive pitching WAR's add up to +12.4, the negative add up to -3.8, with a net of + 8.6. Nevertheless, the team ERA is 4.32 and ranked 24th in MLB.

[Bellhorn04]

None of us can find reason enough to ever start JBJ, but yes, Cora makes that call.

 

Guess what, I think I'm about ready to let Refsnyder start in RF instead of JBJ every day.

[oldtimer]

Sox WAR's this morning (July 30):

 

Devers 4.2

Bogey 3.8

Story 2.1

Vazquez 1.7

JDM 1.0

Refsnyder .6

Kike .3

Davis .2

Wong -.1

Duran -.2

Cordero -.3

Verdugo -.3

Arroyo -.3

Plawecki -.6

Downs -.6

JBJ -.7

Dalbec -.9

 

If you adds the plusses--13.9--and then subtract the minuses--4.0, the net is +9.9. The Sox are ranked 11th in MLB in runs scored and 11th in team OPS.

 

If you add up all the plus DWAR's, you get t we have+3.7. The minus DWAR's add up to -4.7, so the Sox net DWAR as a team is -1.0.

 

The positive pitching WAR's add up to +12.4, the negative add up to -3.8, with a net of + 8.6. Nevertheless, the team ERA is 4.32 and ranked 24th in MLB.

 

Of those, Devers, Kike and Story are injured and JDM is in a major slump. Hard to win with what we have.

[moonslav59]

Guess what, I think I'm about ready to let Refsnyder start in RF instead of JBJ every day.

 

Even if just to get a read onRef’s ability to playFT in 2023: it’s worth the try.

[JDavis76]

Sox WAR's this morning (July 30):

 

Devers 4.2

Bogey 3.8

Story 2.1

Vazquez 1.7

JDM 1.0

Refsnyder .6

Kike .3

Davis .2

Wong -.1

Duran -.2

Cordero -.3

Verdugo -.3

Arroyo -.3

Plawecki -.6

Downs -.6

JBJ -.7

Dalbec -.9

 

If you adds the plusses--13.9--and then subtract the minuses--4.0, the net is +9.9. The Sox are ranked 11th in MLB in runs scored and 11th in team OPS.

 

If you add up all the plus DWAR's, you get +3.7. The minus DWAR's add up to -4.7, so the Sox net DWAR as a team is -1.0.

 

The positive pitching WAR's add up to +12.4, the negative add up to -3.8, with a net of + 8.6. Nevertheless, the team ERA is 4.32 and ranked 24th in MLB.

 

Sounds like a bunch of moonslop.

 

When you add it all up, it's a sub .500 team in last place.

[Bellhorn04]

Even if just to get a read onRef’s ability to playFT in 2023: it’s worth the try.

 

And JBJ, sadly, is simply a goner at the plate, there's no getting around it any more.

[JDavis76]

And JBJ, sadly, is simply a goner at the plate, there's no getting around it any more.

 

Did you get your pizza and a puppy yet?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Sell on, seller, sell on. Edited July 30, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[JDavis76]

Sell on, sellers, sell on.

 

I hope hang 'em chaim still holds out hope and they become buyers.

 

Telling bogey he won't be traded is a sign that bloom is delusional.

[vjcsmoke]

Sounds like a bunch of moonslop.

 

When you add it all up, it's a sub .500 team in last place.

 

There's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics!

 

I like WAR and fWAR, defensive metrics, and offensive metrics. They're fun. But what matters most is results on the field.

 

This team looks woefully bad. And the man to blame is the guy who put it all together. Giving us the worse hitting outfield in baseball. Literally giving away talent and getting scraps back in return.

 

Chaim Bloom is this forum's whipping post for a reason. He done GOOFED! And multiple times. Bad trade after bad trade. We're in last place in the AL East, we've given up a team record 28 runs, and we haven't even beaten a single division rival in a series yet and it's about to turn to August on the calendar.

 

What does all that tell you? The Red Sox suck. Heads need to roll if the ship doesn't get righted, and soon!

[notin]

There's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics!

 

I like WAR and fWAR, defensive metrics, and offensive metrics. They're fun. But what matters most is results on the field.

 

This team looks woefully bad. And the man to blame is the guy who put it all together. Giving us the worse hitting outfield in baseball. Literally giving away talent and getting scraps back in return.

 

Chaim Bloom is this forum's whipping post for a reason. He done GOOFED! And multiple times. Bad trade after bad trade. We're in last place in the AL East, we've given up a team record 28 runs, and we haven't even beaten a single division rival in a series yet and it's about to turn to August on the calendar.

 

What does all that tell you? The Red Sox suck. Heads need to roll if the ship doesn't get righted, and soon!

 

How many bad trades did he make?

 

I know Renfroe/Bradley was unpopular. Betts is considered a bad trade, but it was still the best of all possibilities.

 

Workman/Hembree for Pivetta? You’d undo that? Benintendi for Winckowski? Alex Scherff for Kyle Schwarber? Chavis for Davis?

 

According to you, these are ALL bad trades?

[dgalehouse]

Bloom has not said much , but I'm pretty sure he must have a plan in place for deadline moves. I don't think it makes any sense to change your course , one way or another , based on the results of the.next couple of games. No doubt the whole thing is tough on the players , not knowing where you are going to be working and living three days from now. But that's what they sign up for.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom has not said much , but I'm pretty sure he must have a plan in place for deadline moves. I don't think it makes any sense to change your course , one way or another , based on the results of the.next couple of games. No doubt the whole thing is tough on the players , not knowing where you are going to be working and living three days from now. But that's what they sign up for.

 

All we know is that Bogey will not be traded. There are rumors that the Mets want JDM and Vazquez.

[vjcsmoke]

All we know is that Bogey will not be traded. There are rumors that the Mets want JDM and Vazquez.

 

I've heard the rumor as well. Reportedly the Mets would give up 3B/1B prospect Mark Vientos.

 

article here:

https://fansided.com/2022/07/29/mlb-rumors-red-sox-mets-trade-martinez-vazquez/

 

Vientos is an interesting prospect, he's hitting .852 OPS with 18 HRs in AAA Syracuse. But here's the scary thing. If this trade goes through, does this give Chaim 'I love trading away homegrown talent' Bloom the perfect excuse to get rid of Rafael Devers next season?

 

In theory I don't mind giving up a 34 year old DH in Martinez, even though he's one of our best hitters. He's aging, and he's still not as important arguably as a position player. Giving up Vazquez would be a tough pill to swallow though.

 

He's our starting catcher and one of the better hitting catchers in the MLB.

 

There's no 'ready' position for Vientos unless we kick him to 1st base, which is a less valued position than 3B, or we trade away Devers to give him a place to play.

 

If this deal were to happen, then it's likely that Bloom deals away Devers to 'make room' for Vientos and then deals away Bogaerts next season, to 'make room' for Story.

 

Bloom can't deal Bogaerts now because Story just got diagnosed with a hairline wrist fracture that will put him out for at LEAST 1 month.

 

But I'm pretty sure Bloom will dismantle this team to remake in his own image, just seems to have that kind of ego based on his past history of dealings.

[jad]

How many bad trades did he make?

 

I know Renfroe/Bradley was unpopular. Betts is considered a bad trade, but it was still the best of all possibilities.

 

Workman/Hembree for Pivetta? You’d undo that? Benintendi for Winckowski? Alex Scherff for Kyle Schwarber? Chavis for Davis?

 

According to you, these are ALL bad trades?

 

No. They could have resigned Betts. That was a possibility.

[Bellhorn04]

I've heard the rumor as well. Reportedly the Mets would give up 3B/1B prospect Mark Vientos.

 

article here:

https://fansided.com/2022/07/29/mlb-rumors-red-sox-mets-trade-martinez-vazquez/

 

Vientos is an interesting prospect, he's hitting .852 OPS with 18 HRs in AAA Syracuse. But here's the scary thing. If this trade goes through, does this give Chaim 'I love trading away homegrown talent' Bloom the perfect excuse to get rid of Rafael Devers next season?

 

In theory I don't mind giving up a 34 year old DH in Martinez, even though he's one of our best hitters. He's aging, and he's still not as important arguably as a position player. Giving up Vazquez would be a tough pill to swallow though.

 

He's our starting catcher and one of the better hitting catchers in the MLB.

 

There's no 'ready' position for Vientos unless we kick him to 1st base, which is a less valued position than 3B, or we trade away Devers to give him a place to play.

 

If this deal were to happen, then it's likely that Bloom deals away Devers to 'make room' for Vientos and then deals away Bogaerts next season, to make room for Story.

 

Bloom can't deal Bogaerts now because Story just got diagnosed with a hairline wrist fracture that will put him out for at LEAST 1 month.

 

But I'm pretty sure Bloom will dismantle this team to remake in his own image, just seems to have that kind of ego based on his past history of dealings.

 

Devers is kind of the litmus test. I believe they will make a serious offer. If they don't, they will piss off a lot of people.

 

I think 2023 is the year that will define Bloom's career with the Red Sox, one way or the other.

[jad]

I've heard the rumor as well. Reportedly the Mets would give up 3B/1B prospect Mark Vientos.

 

article here:

https://fansided.com/2022/07/29/mlb-rumors-red-sox-mets-trade-martinez-vazquez/

 

Vientos is an interesting prospect, he's hitting .852 OPS with 18 HRs in AAA Syracuse. But here's the scary thing. If this trade goes through, does this give Chaim 'I love trading away homegrown talent' Bloom the perfect excuse to get rid of Rafael Devers next season?

 

In theory I don't mind giving up a 34 year old DH in Martinez, even though he's one of our best hitters. He's aging, and he's still not as important arguably as a position player. Giving up Vazquez would be a tough pill to swallow though.

 

He's our starting catcher and one of the better hitting catchers in the MLB.

 

There's no 'ready' position for Vientos unless we kick him to 1st base, which is a less valued position than 3B, or we trade away Devers to give him a place to play.

 

If this deal were to happen, then it's likely that Bloom deals away Devers to 'make room' for Vientos and then deals away Bogaerts next season, to 'make room' for Story.

 

Bloom can't deal Bogaerts now because Story just got diagnosed with a hairline wrist fracture that will put him out for at LEAST 1 month.

 

But I'm pretty sure Bloom will dismantle this team to remake in his own image, just seems to have that kind of ego based on his past history of dealings.

 

Yup. That's his vision. A team-ful of "Bloom guys."

[dgalehouse]

All we know is that Bogey will not be traded. There are rumors that the Mets want JDM and Vazquez.

 

All the GMs like to.play it close to the vest leading up to the deadline. The mlbtraderumors site doesn't help much. They seldom have a scoop. Just report the deals after they hit the wire. We will.just have to be patient .

[vegasbob]

One reason for not waiting until the actual deadline, except for playing poker with the other GM, is that I believe MLB players have 3 days to report after a trade. If a team is buying to fill a need, then that is 3 more games the desired player is not available. Many of these WC potential teams will finish the year wishing they had won 1 or 2 or 3 more games earlier. Fortunately the Sox won't be among them, so we can be patient with our pickups , if any.

[moonslav59]

One reason for not waiting until the actual deadline, except for playing poker with the other GM, is that I believe MLB players have 3 days to report after a trade. If a team is buying to fill a need, then that is 3 more games the desired player is not available. Many of these WC potential teams will finish the year wishing they had won 1 or 2 or 3 more games earlier. Fortunately the Sox won't be among them, so we can be patient with our pickups , if any.

 

If it’s 3 days after a trade, it would be 3 days possibly lost no matter when traded, right?