Giving up 28 today = We are sellers

[mvp 78]

No. They could have resigned Betts. That was a possibility.

 

Should have re-signed him.

[mvp 78]

Devers is kind of the litmus test. I believe they will make a serious offer. If they don't, they will piss off a lot of people.

 

I think 2023 is the year that will define Bloom's career with the Red Sox, one way or the other.

 

If they tear it down and suck after, it’d be brutal. The cryptkeeper better have a real plan.

[mvp 78]

Yup. That's his vision. A team-ful of "Bloom guys."

 

What is a Bloom guy?

 

He hasn’t brought in Tampa staff or players. It’s just been a mixed bag. So what really is a Bloom guy?

[notin]

Should have re-signed him.

 

I got the impression Betts wasn’t all that interested.

 

Sox offered him $300 million. He countered with $400mill+.

 

I get aiming high as a negotiating strategy, but aiming into a different atmosphere is a polite way of saying “not f***ing happening”…

[mvp 78]

I got the impression Betts wasn’t all that interested.

 

Sox offered him $300 million. He countered with $400mill+.

 

I get aiming high as a negotiating strategy, but aiming into a different atmosphere is a polite way of saying “not f***ing happening”…

 

It’s a negotiation. Ownership should still counter. He signed for more than $300, right?

[Larry Cook]

Hang’em Chaim still has not made a trade that has affected the major league team.

[notin]

It’s a negotiation. Ownership should still counter. He signed for more than $300, right?

 

It’s funny how that works such that the Sox are always wrong.

 

Sox make a big offer. Betts counters with a preposterous one. Sox stop. Sox are wrong.

 

Or

 

Sox make a weak offer to Bogaerts. Bogaerts doesn’t counter. Sox are wrong.

 

Signing free agents/extensions takes two sides to work together. But fans view it as one-sided no matter what…

[notin]

Hang’em Chaim still has not made a trade that has affected the major league team.

 

Pivetta? Schwarber?

[harmony]

The postseason chances of the 50-52 Red Sox have dropped to 20 percent at FanGraphs and FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-mlb-predictions/

 

What is a reasonable plan as Tuesday's trade deadline approaches?

[Larry Cook]

Pivetta? Schwarber?

 

“This year” was implied!

[mvp 78]

It’s funny how that works such that the Sox are always wrong.

 

Sox make a big offer. Betts counters with a preposterous one. Sox stop. Sox are wrong.

 

Or

 

Sox make a weak offer to Bogaerts. Bogaerts doesn’t counter. Sox are wrong.

 

Signing free agents/extensions takes two sides to work together. But fans view it as one-sided no matter what…

 

I honestly don’t even recall the details of the negotiations with Bogey.

 

Sox were wrong with Betts though. I’ve said that since he was dealt.

[mvp 78]

The postseason chances of the 50-52 Red Sox have dropped to 20 percent at FanGraphs and FiveThirtyEight:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-mlb-predictions/

 

What is a reasonable plan as Tuesday's trade deadline approaches?

 

Trade all expiring contracts. DFA Diekman.

[Old Red]

It’s funny how that works such that the Sox are always wrong.

 

Sox make a big offer. Betts counters with a preposterous one. Sox stop. Sox are wrong.

 

Or

 

Sox make a weak offer to Bogaerts. Bogaerts doesn’t counter. Sox are wrong.

 

Signing free agents/extensions takes two sides to work together. But fans view it as one-sided no matter what…

 

You have made the same argument many times over, and is as weak as the Red Sox offer to Bogey, which was so weak it didn’t warrant a counter offer, so I’ll agree with you the Red Sox were wrong on this one.

[moonslav59]

Trade all expiring contracts. DFA Diekman.

 

Welcome aboard.

[Old Red]

Trade all expiring contracts. DFA Diekman.

 

DFA Streakman? That was one of Bloom’s prized signings this past off season was it not? It must have been it was a two year deal, and he doesn’t just do that for everyone.

[Hitch]

Devers is kind of the litmus test. I believe they will make a serious offer. If they don't, they will piss off a lot of people.

 

I think 2023 is the year that will define Bloom's career with the Red Sox, one way or the other.

 

I find a lot of the criticism aimed at Bloom (and Henry) mostly laughable, but if they let Devers walk, the questions will rightly fall hard on both of them.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If they tear it down and suck after, it’d be brutal. The cryptkeeper better have a real plan.

 

Right. Red Sox fans are mostly ok with a rebuild if it includes exciting young players with upside. But not if Bloom promotes another handful of big whiffers.

 

Dalbec, Cordero, Duran and Downs -- the faces that launched a thousand remotes.

[moonslav59]

I find a lot of the criticism aimed at Bloom (and Henry) mostly laughable, but if they let Devers walk, the questions will rightly fall hard on both of them.

 

Agreed.

 

Some or much of the criticism does have merit, but much is unwarranted and or misdirected.

 

Part of this rebuild plan was clearly to build up the farm. That can rarely be done in 2-3 years, even if you get top draft picks every year. One can argue the Germans, Hamiltons, Seabolds, RHerns, Bineleases and others are just fluff, and that may turn out to be true, but building a farm takes time, and then waiting for the fruits of your labor takes even more time. Expecting Bloom to unload the farm for instant gratification, can be viewed as absurd or as just missing the point of the plan.

 

As bad as things look, do people really think we are one to two major prospects for stud deals away from winning it all? Totally empty the farm for Soto and Ohtani and then extend Devers and Bogey and have literally no budget room for anyone else and no farm to rely on for low cost role players?

 

I've been overkilling the word "context," but I think it is a good word to describe what is missing in several posters' reasoning

[moonslav59]

Right. Red Sox fans are mostly ok with a rebuild if it includes exciting young players with upside. But not if Bloom promotes another handful of big whiffers.

 

Dalbec, Cordero, Duran and Downs -- the faces that launched a thousand remotes.

 

All but Downs have been DD guys. It will take time to see more Bloom prospects called up. (I don't see Cordero as a prospect.)

 

I'm not saying they are a lock at being better, but the failures of the young pitchers, other than Wink, and not Bloom's. (Whitlock was a Bloom prospect, last season.)

[notin]

I honestly don’t even recall the details of the negotiations with Bogey.

 

Sox were wrong with Betts though. I’ve said that since he was dealt.

 

Sox offered $300/10. Betts asked for $420 or something. DD balked and instead extended Bogaerts and Sale…

[notin]

All but Downs have been DD guys. It will take time to see more Bloom prospects called up. (I don't see Cordero as a prospect.)

 

I'm not saying they are a lock at being better, but the failures of the young pitchers, other than Wink, and not Bloom's. (Whitlock was a Bloom prospect, last season.)

 

Downs and Cordero were brought in by Bloom.

 

I don’t think either of them were the primary piece in the acquiring trade…

[Kimmi]

You have made the same argument many times over, and is as weak as the Red Sox offer to Bogey, which was so weak it didn’t warrant a counter offer, so I’ll agree with you the Red Sox were wrong on this one.

 

I agree that the reported offer to Bogaerts was weak. However, if it didn't warrant a counter offer, neither did Betts' preposterous counter to the Sox' $300M initial offer.

 

On the subject of Bogaerts, I find it very interesting that the Sox are seemingly not going to trade Bogaerts before the season ends. This gives me some hope that they think that they can re-sign him. By all accounts, Bogaerts really does want to play his career with the Red Sox. {Fingers crossed}

[Old Red]

I agree that the reported offer to Bogaerts was weak. However, if it didn't warrant a counter offer, neither did Betts' preposterous counter to the Sox' $300M initial offer.

 

On the subject of Bogaerts, I find it very interesting that the Sox are seemingly not going to trade Bogaerts before the season ends. This gives me some hope that they think that they can re-sign him. By all accounts, Bogaerts really does want to play his career with the Red Sox. {Fingers crossed}

They are not going to trade Bogey, because he has a no trade, which he will exercise, and it’s been that way since before opening day, but yet some on here go on, and on about he should be traded.What part of NO TRADE don’t people understand?

Edited July 31, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

They are not going to trade Bogey, because he has a no trade, which he will exercise, and it’s been that way since before opening day, but yet some on here go on, and on about he should be traded.What part of NO TRADE don’t people understand?

 

No, they told him they weren't going to trade him, so the no trade didn't come into it.

 

But if they told him he was being traded to the Dodgers, you think he'd say no?

[Kimmi]

They are not going to trade Bogey, because he has a no trade, which he will exercise, and it’s been that way since before opening day, but yet some on here go on, and on about he should be traded.What part of NO TRADE don’t people understand?

 

If Bogaerts is unhappy with the Red Sox and if he had a chance to play for a contender, I think he'd waive the no trade.

 

By all accounts, Bogaerts really cares about this team. I think his strong preference is to stay beyond this year.

[moonslav59]

No, they told him they weren't going to trade him, so the no trade didn't come into it.

 

But if they told him he was being traded to the Dodgers, you think he'd say no?

 

Yes!

 

Players with no trade clauses agree to be traded very often. Players often use it to get more money or to have a say in where they go, not necessarily because they know they will want to stay in one place.

 

It’s common knowledge to most fans.

[notin]

Yes!

 

Players with no trade clauses agree to be traded very often. Players often use it to get more money or to have a say in where they go, not necessarily because they know they will want to stay in one place.

 

It’s common knowledge to most fans.

 

True. Players typically waive the NTC for one of 3 reasons

 

1) Go to a contender or better situation

2) Have a team option turned into a guarantee

3) Have an incentive clause turned into a guarantee

 

I don’t know if Bogaerts has any incentives, and his option is a player one, so item 1 is the reason he would waive his.

 

I know he has always said he prefers Boston. While nearly every player under control says this, Bogaerts is the rare case I believe, because he signed his extension when he only had one year left. And that extension was less than he would have gotten in free agency at his age at the time…

[moonslav59]

True. Players typically waive the NTC for one of 3 reasons

 

1) Go to a contender or better situation

2) Have a team option turned into a guarantee

3) Have an incentive clause turned into a guarantee

 

I don’t know if Bogaerts has any incentives, and his option is a player one, so item 1 is the reason he would waive his.

 

I know he has always said he prefers Boston. While nearly every player under control says this, Bogaerts is the rare case I believe, because he signed his extension when he only had one year left. And that extension was less than he would have gotten in free agency at his age at the time…

 

Agreed. I genuinely believe he wants to stay, and maybe this gesture emphasises it and sends that message to Henry and Bloom.

 

It’s hard to know if he’d choose option 1 for a certain team(s). Since the Sox have announced he won’t be traded, it would take a lot for it to happen, now.

 

Apparently, this years losing team has not caused Bogey to think about getting another ring, this year, elsewhere. Yes, a rare case.

[notin]

Agreed. I genuinely believe he wants to stay, and maybe this gesture emphasises it and sends that message to Henry and Bloom.

 

It’s hard to know if he’d choose option 1 for a certain team(s). Since the Sox have announced he won’t be traded, it would take a lot for it to happen, now.

 

Apparently, this years losing team has not caused Bogey to think about getting another ring, this year, elsewhere. Yes, a rare case.

 

 

That’s because Bogie is on the short list of Sox players with TWO World Series rings already…

Edited July 31, 2022 by notin

[sk7326]

I think the determination would be to keep one of Verdugo and Duran and to deal the other. Duran can't play CF and Verdugo seems stuck in LF. They are both LHB that play LF.

 

Can they get more for Verdugo at the deadline? IDK.

 

It is also worth noting that Bradley has been absolutely terrible ... in his first incarnation, his terrific defense was augmented by decent production, which was annoying because it was decent with extremely high variability. Basically, offensively - he was a working class Adam Dunn. But he basically has totally forgotten how to hit at this point.

 

This year he has cut down his strikeouts - but he also cut down everything positive he did too (walking, hitting the ball hard)