Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Eck would know a thing or two about it. He was one of the best.

 

It's good to hear from such an unbiased commentator as Eck. (I love the guy, but of course he's going to view the pen as being very important, and of course, it is.)

[Old Red]

Of course you would want both. In recent years , the role of starters has diminished a bit. The bullpen is more important than ever. Nearly every close game becomes a battle of the bullpens. The Sox have failed to keep pace in this area. And it shows. Eck knows what he is talking about.

 

The Braves who won it all last year, and had a good BP still went out a signed a good closer in the offseason.

[Old Red]

It's good to hear from such an unbiased commentator as Eck. (I love the guy, but of course he's going to view the pen as being very important, and of course, it is.)

 

The Red Sox have unbiased commentators?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Red Sox have unbiased commentators?

 

Remdawg always tried to be multicultural: Spanish greetings, Italian food Here comes the pizza!, nibbling grasshoppers, playing air guitar...

[notin]

And the Orioles traded Lopez because they had the Giant ready to take the closer's role. Other teams are way ahead of the Sox in bullpen construction. The Sox approach to the bullpen has not worked. And that has cost them plenty. It is ,and has been , the single biggest weakness. Will next year be different? I don't know.

 

 

I don’t think they traded Lopez silent because that had Bautista.

 

More likely they traded Lopez because the closer role was going to make him more expensive in arbitration than they thought he was worth. Having Bautista ready to step in just made the decision easier…

[Old Red]

Remdawg always tried to be multicultural: Spanish greetings, Italian food Here comes the pizza!, nibbling grasshoppers, playing air guitar...

 

REM Dawg was home grown, and one of a kind. Not so great in the beginning, but Ned Martin pulled him along, and he got better, and better especially with Donny O.

[dgalehouse]

Eck is one of the few that I have seen who openly speaks his mind.

[Old Red]

Eck is one of the few that I have seen who openly speaks his mind.

 

True, and how bad will the booth be next year with Eck not around? I haven’t been impressed with this years tryout candidates.

[notin]

The Red Sox have unbiased commentators?

 

It there something along with biased commentators?

 

Was I so wrong all those years watching the Celtics with the TV volume off and the radio cranking the cigar-frazzled dulcet tones of Johnny Most and his unbridled enthusiasm?

[Old Red]

It there something along with biased commentators?

 

Was I so wrong all those years watching the Celtics with the TV volume off and the radio cranking the cigar-frazzled dulcet tones of Johnny Most and his unbridled enthusiasm?

 

Not wrong, but when Johnny did the simulcast on TV you kind of saw the real thing, and Johnny’s version. Imagine if Rambis had decked Mcchale. Then Tommy took over.. Gowdy, Martin, and Coleman were more straight shooters for the Sox.

[Nick]

Bloom will get one more year.....if the team is unsettled year from today, he'll be gone. There has to be marked improvement at the major league level. Quit trying to build a team looking for diamond in the rough at every position.

[notin]

Bloom will get one more year.....if the team is unsettled year from today, he'll be gone. There has to be marked improvement at the major league level. Quit trying to build a team looking for diamond in the rough at every position.

 

I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

If, say, ownership doesn’t give him the approval to meet Devers’ contract demands and Bloom has to trade Devers, should they still fire him?

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

If, say, ownership doesn’t give him the approval to meet Devers’ contract demands and Bloom has to trade Devers, should they still fire him?

 

You're right that it's not simple, however I have to agree with the sentiment that the team needs to show marked improvement next year for Bloom's job to be safe.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

If, say, ownership doesn’t give him the approval to meet Devers’ contract demands and Bloom has to trade Devers, should they still fire him?

 

Not necessarily, if he wins the trade. But the return would have to include a few diamonds in the polish, specifically on the mound.

 

If ownership expects an another quick about-face in the MLB standings, the organization has to be committed to spending both funds and prospect capital on massive amounts of pitching. We're talking three legitimate established arms that are more dependable than injury comebacks in their mid- to late-30s. And since the last time Boston splurged to acquire a relief ace in his prime was the Kimbrel trade in 2015, expect an influx of starters. The new rotation members should be innings-eaters to solidify the bullpen by lessening the workload, and also by moving younger guys like Houck and Whitlock to the backend permanently.

 

As uncomfortable as it is to ponder for fandom, the front office knows that Devers is its best trade chip for a successful overhaul...

[Old Red]

Not necessarily, if he wins the trade. But the return would have to include a few diamonds in the polish, specifically on the mound.

 

If ownership expects an another quick about-face in the MLB standings, the organization has to be committed to spending both funds and prospect capital on massive amounts of pitching. We're talking three legitimate established arms that are more dependable than injury comebacks in their mid- to late-30s. And since the last time Boston splurged to acquire a relief ace in his prime was the Kimbrel trade in 2015, expect an influx of starters. The new rotation members should be innings-eaters to solidify the bullpen by lessening the workload, and also by moving younger guys like Houck and Whitlock to the backend permanently.

 

As uncomfortable as it is to ponder for fandom, the front office knows that Devers is its best trade chip for a successful overhaul...

 

It would be hard to win any trade for Raffy especially with one year of control. Bloom would get some flak, but Henry would be the biggest villain.

[moonslav59]

Not necessarily, if he wins the trade. But the return would have to include a few diamonds in the polish, specifically on the mound.

 

If ownership expects an another quick about-face in the MLB standings, the organization has to be committed to spending both funds and prospect capital on massive amounts of pitching. We're talking three legitimate established arms that are more dependable than injury comebacks in their mid- to late-30s. And since the last time Boston splurged to acquire a relief ace in his prime was the Kimbrel trade in 2015, expect an influx of starters. The new rotation members should be innings-eaters to solidify the bullpen by lessening the workload, and also by moving younger guys like Houck and Whitlock to the backend permanently.

 

As uncomfortable as it is to ponder for fandom, the front office knows that Devers is its best trade chip for a successful overhaul...

 

I'm not sure they want a total and complete overhaul, but if they did, you are right. If they know they will never reach Devers' demands, they should trade him, and this is from "Mr. Devers Forevers."

 

I think the plan will be to spend big, this winter, but it will be year 2 on the tax ledger, so I'm not expecting a bunch of long term deals that ensure we go over in 2024, too.

 

I think we go large and long on 1-2 deals, or 1 with a mega deal for a top SP- maybe with the Marlins. The prospect cost will be great, but I think we can afford one big prospect trade after something like 8 of the last 10 trades involving prospects coming our way.

 

I could also see us going pretty big on 3-5 deals and making one big splash trade. May be something like...

 

Rafaela, Yorke, Wikelman & Duran to MIA for Lopez & Stallings

Sign: Nimmo, Kike, K Wong, Wacha, Fulmer

 

C: Stallings/McGuire (Wong/RHern)

1B: Hosmer/Casas (Dalbec/Kavadas/Jordan)

2B: K Wong, Arroyo (EValdez/Downs/Hamilton)

SS: Story (Lugo/Mayer/Bonaci)

3B: Devers (Koss/Binelas/Paulino)

LF: Verdugo, Pham (Granberg/McDonough

CF: Kike (Ja.Davis/Bleis)

RF: Nimmo, Refsnyder (WAbreu/Jimenez

DH: Casas/Verdugo-Pham/Dalbec/Cordero/EValdez

 

SP: Lopez, Sale, Paxton, Wacha, Pivetta (Bello, Mata, Ward, Wink, Seabold, Murphy, Santos)

RP: Houck, Whitlock, Schreiber, Taylor, Barnes, Crawford, German, Brasier/Danish

(Winckowski/Seabold/Murphy/Kelly/Ort/Thompson/Politi)

[illinoisredsox]

Not wrong, but when Johnny did the simulcast on TV you kind of saw the real thing, and Johnny’s version. Imagine if Rambis had decked Mcchale. Then Tommy took over.. Gowdy, Martin, and Coleman were more straight shooters for the Sox.

 

My favorite Mostism was “Did you see Chamberlain stick his eye into Russell’s elbow?”

[jad]

My favorite Mostism was “Did you see Chamberlain stick his eye into Russell’s elbow?”

 

Can't remember who was the subject of his five minute rant "A DISGRACE to basketball! A DISGRACE to basketball!" Was it Elgin Baylor? It was around that time I stopped listening to that a-hole. (Of course now, if we want stupid, belligerent, drunken commentary a la Harry Carey, all we have to do is turn to this very forum!)

[moonslav59]

Can't remember who was the subject of his five minute rant "A DISGRACE to basketball! A DISGRACE to basketball!" Was it Elgin Baylor? It was around that time I stopped listening to that a-hole. (Of course now, if we want stupid, belligerent, drunken commentary a la Harry Carey, all we have to do is turn to this very forum!)

 

The Pistons?

 

[mvp 78]

Even if they do a complete overhaul, Devers will be great in 5 years. Sign him to a max deal now.

[jad]

The Pistons?

 

 

Ha ha! Good one. The only way I know that's not it is that my brother used to parody him with that rant, which would put it in the early 60s or so.

[Hugh2]

It would be hard to win any trade for Raffy especially with one year of control. Bloom would get some flak, but Henry would be the biggest villain.

 

It would be hard not too if the Sox are going to be garbage again next year.

[oldtimer]

I'm not sure they want a total and complete overhaul, but if they did, you are right. If they know they will never reach Devers' demands, they should trade him, and this is from "Mr. Devers Forevers."

 

I think the plan will be to spend big, this winter, but it will be year 2 on the tax ledger, so I'm not expecting a bunch of long term deals that ensure we go over in 2024, too.

 

I think we go large and long on 1-2 deals, or 1 with a mega deal for a top SP- maybe with the Marlins. The prospect cost will be great, but I think we can afford one big prospect trade after something like 8 of the last 10 trades involving prospects coming our way.

 

I could also see us going pretty big on 3-5 deals and making one big splash trade. May be something like...

 

Rafaela, Yorke, Wikelman & Duran to MIA for Lopez & Stallings

Sign: Nimmo, Kike, K Wong, Wacha, Fulmer

 

C: Stallings/McGuire (Wong/RHern)

1B: Hosmer/Casas (Dalbec/Kavadas/Jordan)

2B: K Wong, Arroyo (EValdez/Downs/Hamilton)

SS: Story (Lugo/Mayer/Bonaci)

3B: Devers (Koss/Binelas/Paulino)

LF: Verdugo, Pham (Granberg/McDonough

CF: Kike (Ja.Davis/Bleis)

RF: Nimmo, Refsnyder (WAbreu/Jimenez

DH: Casas/Verdugo-Pham/Dalbec/Cordero/EValdez

 

SP: Lopez, Sale, Paxton, Wacha, Pivetta (Bello, Mata, Ward, Wink, Seabold, Murphy, Santos)

RP: Houck, Whitlock, Schreiber, Taylor, Barnes, Crawford, German, Brasier/Danish

 

I wouldn't mind the Sox going after CJ Cron on a 3 year contract. He would be a complement to Casas/Hosmer since he bats from the right side and could fill in as DH assuming JDM is going. Good power, reasonable hit tool and fairly low cost.

[moonslav59]

 

I wouldn't mind the Sox going after CJ Cron on a 3 year contract. He would be a complement to Casas/Hosmer since he bats from the right side and could fill in as DH assuming JDM is going. Good power, reasonable hit tool and fairly low cost.

 

There are a lot of other players I'm interested in, but I'm not sure the budget will be big enough to sign them all. Eventually, it will come down to some either/or choices, and I think 1B and or DH might be the slots left untouched.

[notin]

Not necessarily, if he wins the trade. But the return would have to include a few diamonds in the polish, specifically on the mound.

 

If ownership expects an another quick about-face in the MLB standings, the organization has to be committed to spending both funds and prospect capital on massive amounts of pitching. We're talking three legitimate established arms that are more dependable than injury comebacks in their mid- to late-30s. And since the last time Boston splurged to acquire a relief ace in his prime was the Kimbrel trade in 2015, expect an influx of starters. The new rotation members should be innings-eaters to solidify the bullpen by lessening the workload, and also by moving younger guys like Houck and Whitlock to the backend permanently.

 

As uncomfortable as it is to ponder for fandom, the front office knows that Devers is its best trade chip for a successful overhaul...

 

 

Sure they could deal Devers to Miami for RHP Edward Cabrera, LHP Jesus Luzardo and CF JJ Bleday. (Yes, BTV accepts it.). Would you boo Chaim or like that as a starting point?

[Old Red]

Sure they could deal Devers to Miami for RHP Edward Cabrera, LHP Jesus Luzardo and CF JJ Bleday. (Yes, BTV accepts it.). Would you boo Chaim or like that as a starting point?

 

Is Miami going to sign Devers after they get him? If not why would they trade for him for 1 year.Aren’t they bottom 5 in payroll?

Edited August 31, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Sure they could deal Devers to Miami for RHP Edward Cabrera, LHP Jesus Luzardo and CF JJ Bleday. (Yes, BTV accepts it.). Would you boo Chaim or like that as a starting point?

 

A more realistic trade would be to a big spending team.

 

Would you trade Devers, Wong and Wink to SEA for France & Raleigh? (BTV accepted)

[harmony]

A more realistic trade would be to a big spending team.

 

Would you trade Devers, Wong and Wink to SEA for France & Raleigh? (BTV accepted)

The Seattle Mariners go nowhere near that trade.

 

FWIW this year Rafael Devers has posted 3.9 bWAR while Seattle third baseman Eugenio Suarez has posted 3.7 bWAR.

 

Devers remains under team control for one year working off his 2022 salary of $11.2 million while Suarez is under contract for two more seasons at $11 million annually with a $15 million team option, or $2 million buyout, for 2025.

 

Cal Raleigh, a 25-year-old who leads all American League catchers in home runs, is best known for his handling of the formidable Seattle pitching staff.

 

Trivia: Who, despite his flaws, leads Major League Baseball in home runs since the start of the 2018 season?

Edited August 31, 2022 by harmony

[Old Red]

6-7-10 and sinking.

 

6 games under 500

 

7 games back in the L column for last place

 

10 games back in the L column for the LAST Wildcard Spot

 

They called the Bobby V Season the Clown Show, and this season is the Bloom’s Little League Show with more great outfield play last night, and more great BP work. Bobby V lost his job, but Cora, and Bloom got a vote of confidence, and are coming back. Wow! I guess JH doesn’t give a dam about this team. If he did someone would lose their job, and should. What’s next?Fans with paper bags over their head at Fenway? Imagine if any poster out there was to strike it rich this team is what $200M+ can get you. Bloom is probably sitting at his computer right now shaking his head, and saying it wasn’t supposed to be like this. The Sox better get a new computer, and someone else to use it.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

Is Miami going to sign Devers after they get him? If not why would they trade for him for 1 year.Aren’t they bottom 5 in payroll?

 

That’s their problem; not mine…