Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

It’s funny how a 31 year old Mike Trout scares people, but paying Mookie Betts until he’s 39 doesn’t. There’s a very good and real chance he falls off a cliff somewhere between 30-35 with a little regression coming before then.

 

Not that I didn’t want him resigned, the time to resign guys is before they hit arbitration. Give them the long years then so you’re paying into their mid 30s instead of when they’re into their late 30’s.

 

You will still get burned, but we’re talking 1st degree burns, not 3rd degree.

 

How would you classify the potential burn on Tatis Jr.?

[dgalehouse]

The agents actually do a good job of looking out for the players best interests and seeing that they get their share of the pie. Of course , they take their cut too. It's a shame that boxers never had that . Instead , they got/get ripped off by unscrupulous promoters , hangers on and managers ; and wind up beat up , broke and brain damaged.

[Bellhorn04]

The agents actually do a good job of looking out for the players best interests and seeing that they get their share of the pie. Of course , they take their cut too. It's a shame that boxers never had that . Instead , they got/get ripped off by unscrupulous promoters , hangers on and managers ; and wind up beat up , broke and brain damaged.

 

Yep, that happened to both boxers and musicians.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I've got no problem how much a player is paid. If the market says he's worth 30mil/yr that's fine by me. What I am against is long-term contracts. This ******** about security puts all the risk on ownership and none on the players. I believe 5 years should be the max years on a contract. Of course, that's never gonna happen. This is just my take.

[Bellhorn04]

I've got no problem how much a player is paid. If the market says he's worth 30mil/yr that's fine by me. What I am against is long-term contracts. This ******** about security puts all the risk on ownership and none on the players. I believe 5 years should be the max years on a contract. Of course, that's never gonna happen. This is just my take.

 

Agreed. The owners have only themselves to blame, of course.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Agreed. The owners have only themselves to blame, of course.

 

Yup, you're right. Charlie Finley saw the future and sold his team in 1980.

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[Old Red]

Same injury.

 

Same injury, but isn’t missing 40 games this year, and most of last year a lot? Do you think he’ll stay healthier with age.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Here's a question I'd like your response to. Should MLB place a solid ceiling on a team's payroll similar to what the NHL is doing?

[moonslav59]

Yup, you're right. Charlie Finley saw the future and sold his team in 1980.

 

It was MLB who screwed Finley over.

 

Now, GMs can buy and sell contracts at will.

[moonslav59]

Here's a question I'd like your response to. Should MLB place a solid ceiling on teams' payrolls similar to what the NHL is doing?

 

No. ( Maybe, if they initiated a solid floor at over $80M to start with.)

 

Do you think the NHL should remove their ceiling?

[Old Red]

No. ( Maybe, if they initiated a solid floor at over $80M to start with.)

 

Do you think the NHL should remove their ceiling?

Solid ceiling, and a solid floor to me would be the best way to go with the solid floor more important of the two.

[Hugh2]

The agents actually do a good job of looking out for the players best interests and seeing that they get their share of the pie. Of course , they take their cut too. It's a shame that boxers never had that . Instead , they got/get ripped off by unscrupulous promoters , hangers on and managers ; and wind up beat up , broke and brain damaged.

 

I thought I read somewhere that player salaries in baseball have been pretty stagnant for a while. It's the all star mega deal guys that are getting the increase in payroll expenditures. Agents seem to be doing a good job for the best players but not for most if that's true.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

No. ( Maybe, if they initiated a solid floor at over $80M to start with.)

 

Do you think the NHL should remove their ceiling?

 

No, I think the NHL is doing fine.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

No. ( Maybe, if they initiated a solid floor at over $80M to start with.)

 

Do you think the NHL should remove their ceiling?

 

I do agree with the 'solid floor' concept. Solid ceiling and solid floor; wouldn't live in a house that didn't have both.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

No, I think the NHL is doing fine.

 

There's still bad teams in the NHL, but not as many as in the 3 other sports.

[moonslav59]

Solid ceiling, and a solid floor to me would be the best way to go with the solid floor more important of the two.

 

We agree on something!

 

People complain about how the big spending teams make it hard for low-budget teams, but rarely do we hear about how cheap owners are making a killing on profits and just don't want to spend more.

[Old Red]

We agree on something!

 

People complain about how the big spending teams make it hard for low-budget teams, but rarely do we hear about how cheap owners are making a killing on profits and just don't want to spend more.

We do agree, and I bet the cheap owners would spend if push come to shove.

[Hugh2]

We are also seeing more and more teams willing to spend, taking away the Sox competitive advantage. With the amount of money coming in, the market for it, and a rapid fan base, I hope Henry is thinking about opening up his wallet.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The 2022 SOX are 6th in team payroll at 208 mil. However, if one removes Sale's adj. salary of 20 mil and Price's retained salary of 16 mil, that drops the SOX to 11th at 172 mil.

[moonslav59]

The 2022 SOX are 6th in team payroll at 208 mil. However, if one removes Sale's adj. salary of 20 mil and Price's retained salary of 16 mil, that drops the SOX to 11th at 172 mil.

 

Wouldn't we have to remove "dead money" from all teams to get an accurate read on that adjusted ranking?

[harmony]

We do agree, and I bet the cheap owners would spend if push come to shove.

If the season ended today the postseason would include two teams with bottom five Opening Day payrolls at less than $67 million (and another club in the bottom nine).

 

Should those franchises be required to spend more?

[Old Red]

If the season ended today the postseason would include two teams with bottom five Opening Day payrolls at less than $67 million (and another club in the bottom nine).

 

Should those franchises be required to spend more?

If you had a floor yes. How often does bottom teams get in?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Wouldn't we have to remove "dead money" from all teams to get an accurate read on that adjusted ranking?

 

Good point. That will be your mission, MOON, if you choose to accept. That would be too much work for me.

[moonslav59]

If the season ended today the postseason would include two teams with bottom five Opening Day payrolls at less than $67 million (and another club in the bottom nine).

 

Should those franchises be required to spend more?

 

They may end up near $80M by year's end, but yes.

 

I suppose, exceptions could be made for winning teams, like if you finish bottom 10, 3 years in a row, you have to spend to the floor..

[notin]

The problem is I want major league players back in a trade like Manny, or Pedro, and not a prospect.What’s wrong with that?

 

 

1. I don’t think the Sox view that as a problem.

 

2. When teams are acquiring upgrades in talent, they’re typically doing so with an eye on the postseason. Teams doing so do not want to break up their team.

 

3. Why take downgraded MLB players who have less control left, cost more money, and are less productive?

[moonslav59]

1. I don’t think the Sox view that as a problem.

 

2. When teams are acquiring upgrades in talent, they’re typically doing so with an eye on the postseason. Teams doing so do not want to break up their team.

 

3. Why take downgraded MLB players who have less control left, cost more money, and are less productive?

 

An example of the type of trade I think red is suggesting would be one year of Betts for 5 years of Dugo- a ML player. Not as good but the extra years was supposed to balance it out. (Of course, two prospects were included.)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Good point. That will be your mission, MOON, if you choose to accept. That would be too much work for me.

 

 

For 2022 the SOX have a total retained salary of over 42 mil. Most of it is between JBJ and Price.

Edited August 31, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[Old Red]

An example of the type of trade I think red is suggesting would be one year of Betts for 5 years of Dugo- a ML player. Not as good but the extra years was supposed to balance it out. (Of course, two prospects were included.)

 

I think it depends too on what shape your team is in. The shape the Red Sox are in at the moment the Red Sox need all the help they can get, and anyway they can get it.

[moonslav59]

For 2022 the SOX have a total retained salary of over 42 mil. Most of it is between JBJ and Price.

 

Is that counting Sale?

[notin]

An example of the type of trade I think red is suggesting would be one year of Betts for 5 years of Dugo- a ML player. Not as good but the extra years was supposed to balance it out. (Of course, two prospects were included.)

 

 

The Sox could have gotten MLB players Wil Myers, Joey Lucchesi and Manny Margot plus one prospect for Betts. I suppose it might be better than what they got, but that’s basically a bunch of mediocrity with little hope for improvement.

 

Plus - and I might be wrong - San Diego was no so keen on taking back Price, which sort of ruined the entire point of the deal…