Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Anther great 2-4 home stand against the Div

 

Standings update.

 

4 games under 500.

 

6 games back in the L column for last place in the Div.

 

8 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

[dgalehouse]

Anther great 2-4 home stand against the Div

 

Standings update.

 

4 games under 500.

 

6 games back in the L column for last place in the Div.

 

8 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

 

They are not making any progress. Only 34 games left. About the only chance is a good winning streak and hope a couple of the other contenders stumble. There is no indication that they are capable of that winning streak. The only hope is that thing about anything being possible.

[moonslav59]

They are not making any progress. Only 34 games left. About the only chance is a good winning streak and hope a couple of the other contenders stumble. There is no indication that they are capable of that winning streak. The only hope is that thing about anything being possible.

 

It doesn't look promising, but if we can go 12-2, it also means those we need to lose are going 2-12, since we will be playing them almost exclusively.

[Old Red]

It doesn't look promising, but if we can go 12-2, it also means those we need to lose are going 2-12, since we will be playing them almost exclusively.

 

The Red Sox have a lot better chance going 2-12 than they do going 12-2. Come on man!

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox have a lot better chance going 2-12 than they do going 12-2. Come on man!

 

The most likely scenario is .500.

 

They're still trying, at least.

[Nick]

It doesn't look promising, but if we can go 12-2, it also means those we need to lose are going 2-12, since we will be playing them almost exclusively.

 

But they are all NOT going to go 2-12. They can lose 3 to us but win 3 against another team.

 

It's hard to jump over 4 teams. Period. Not happening.

[Nick]

Anther great 2-4 home stand against the Div

 

Standings update.

 

4 games under 500.

 

6 games back in the L column for last place in the Div.

 

8 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

 

I've been too optimistic and you've been the grown up here. We have collection of mediocre talent.

 

We think one of worst defensive shortstop with less than 10HR deserves a $30M contract just based on sentimentality. From 30,000 ft above, I don't really care if he leaves. He's peaked out. His best days are behind him.

 

Use the money wisely, Mr. Bloom. Acquire starting pitchers to start........

[Bellhorn04]

I've been too optimistic and you've been the grown up here. We have collection of mediocre talent.

 

We think one of worst defensive shortstop with less than 10HR deserves a $30M contract just based on sentimentality. From 30,000 ft above, I don't really care if he leaves. He's peaked out. His best days are behind him.

 

We may be losing Bogaerts, but you're a little off base about his 2022 season.

 

He has a 4.6 fWAR. His defensive rating is vastly improved over the last few seasons.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I've been too optimistic and you've been the grown up here. We have collection of mediocre talent.

We think one of worst defensive shortstop with less than 10HR deserves a $30M contract just based on sentimentality. From 30,000 ft above, I don't really care if he leaves. He's peaked out. His best days are behind him.

 

Use the money wisely, Mr. Bloom. Acquire starting pitchers to start........

 

The most glaring reality is that mediocrity describes this team's best players. Maybe the All-Stars are all hurt -- good hitters don't forget how to drive the ball over the fence, like X and JD this season... and Raffy is definitely hobbled. But please spare the batting average comparisons to show that Verdugo is as good as Betts -- not when our guy has 7 HRs and a .728 OPS. Mookie only has 31 home runs and a .910... and 5.7 WAR with a month to go. Dugo's WAR: 0.5.

 

If everyone got hot and Boston went on an epic run, it would have to be led by the pitching. Bello would turn into Dwight Gooden, Houck would return as a no-look Okajima to prevent burnout for Whitlock, doing his Andrew Miller special. A rotation, if healthy, would be led by veterans who've all had postseason glory: Wacha, Eovaldi, Pivetta... in this century!

[mvp 78]

We may be losing Bogaerts, but you're a little off base about his 2022 season.

 

He has a 4.6 fWAR. His defensive rating is vastly improved over the last few seasons.

 

Yup.

[Old Red]

Per Alex Speier the Red Sox have given up 320 runs since the beginning of July. This is the result of what Bloom has assembled.This is just not dumpster diving, but some that had already been dumped out.

[Bellhorn04]

Per Alex Speier the Red Sox have given up 320 runs since the beginning of July. This is the result of what Bloom has assembled.This is just not dumpster diving, but some that had already been dumped out.

 

Behind-the-dumpster diving? Dumpster overflow diving?

[Old Red]

Behind-the-dumpster diving? Dumpster overflow diving?

 

Maybe the American Pickers can find Bloom something along the way

[moonslav59]

But they are all NOT going to go 2-12. They can lose 3 to us but win 3 against another team.

 

It's hard to jump over 4 teams. Period. Not happening.

 

My point is not that we will make the playoffs, but it is in our hands. We don't have to "hope" the teams in front of us lose- we just have to beat them.

[moonslav59]

Behind-the-dumpster diving? Dumpster overflow diving?

 

I guess we should throw Schreiber, Arroyo & Refsnyder out on the next trash day.

[moonslav59]

When you have a restricted winter spending budget and a dozen or more holes to fill, the dumpster is where you have to shop for some slots.

 

This was the first winter Bloom had money to spend without a ton of slots to fill, although he still had at least a half dozen. In hindsight, he could have spread Stroy's money around and got slightly better odds on who he added, but hindsight is always better, isn't it?

 

The JBJ deal was the cruncher, because it also meant we had to spend less, elsewhere, and that $8M buyout still looms, this winter, despite it not counting non the 2023 tax line.

 

Mistakes were made, but not on a big chunk of the moves made.

 

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

Strahm

Deadline deals: McGuire, Pham and maybe Hosmer plus some promising prospects.

 

The Meh:

Story

Hill

 

The Bad:

JBJ

Diekman, although, somehow he was able to dump him for a decent catcher.

[Old Red]

I guess we should throw Schreiber, Arroyo & Refsnyder out on the next trash day.

 

You can add Whitlock to this bunch too, but that doesn’t offset all the trash Bloom has collected. Seen the standings lately?

[mvp 78]

My point is not that we will make the playoffs, but it is in our hands. We don't have to "hope" the teams in front of us lose- we just have to beat them.

 

7 games back on 8/29. IT IS OVER.

[Hugh2]

You can add Whitlock to this bunch too, but that doesn’t offset all the trash Bloom has collected. Seen the standings lately?

 

Is that really the problem though? is it Bloom trash leading to the downfall of this team? do you have specific examples of "Bloom Trash"

[Old Red]

7 games back on 8/29. IT IS OVER.

 

8 games back in the all important L column, but yes it is over, and has been pretty much since the trade deadline.

[moonslav59]

7 games back on 8/29. IT IS OVER.

 

How many times do I have to say we won't win.

 

We aren't going 12-12, twice.

 

My point was that it's not about having 4 teams ahead of us.

[Old Red]

How many times do I have to say we won't win.

 

We aren't going 12-12, twice.

 

My point was that it's not about having 4 teams ahead of us.

 

No one cares about that point when it’s over. That point would be to care if the Sox had a chance, but it’s over. Put a fork in them they’re Done!

[moonslav59]

Is that really the problem though? is it Bloom trash leading to the downfall of this team? do you have specific examples of "Bloom Trash"

 

Exactly. It's more about DD players being paid while not even on the roster or having major decline seasons in 2022.

 

The only real awful move Bloom made, this past winter was the JBJ trade.

 

The Story signing did not help much for 2022, but at least he drove in some runs.

The Dieman signing sucked, but he ended up getting McGuire for him.

 

We can complain about non-moves all day, but with a limited budget, you have to nix one done deal to make a suggested one.

 

Bloom added Wacha, Refsnyder, Schreiber, Strahm and Hill on a shoestring budget (until the Story signing).

 

He certainly made mistakes, like expecting an .800 batter, like Dalbec, to be able to hi .700, this year. Like planning for 4 SP'er to get hurt at the same time and have capable pitchers way down the depth chart on min wage.

[Old Red]

Exactly. It's more about DD players being paid while not even on the roster or having major decline seasons in 2022.

 

The only real awful move Bloom made, this past winter was the JBJ trade.

 

The Story signing did not help much for 2022, but at least he drove in some runs.

The Dieman signing sucked, but he ended up getting McGuire for him.

 

We can complain about non-moves all day, but with a limited budget, you have to nix one done deal to make a suggested one.

 

Bloom added Wacha, Refsnyder, Schreiber, Strahm and Hill on a shoestring budget (until the Story signing).

 

He certainly made mistakes, like expecting an .800 batter, like Dalbec, to be able to hi .700, this year. Like planning for 4 SP'er to get hurt at the same time and have capable pitchers way down the depth chart on min wage.

 

Same ole spin, and blame that we’ve heard many times over. Blame DD, and the budget. Outside of a few on here no one is buying what the Moon is cooking. Bloom is in charge, and Bloom is to blame, and if you don’t believe that ask Shaugnessy, and the millions, and millions of Red Sox fans in Red Sox Nation.

[Hugh2]

Exactly. It's more about DD players being paid while not even on the roster or having major decline seasons in 2022.

 

The only real awful move Bloom made, this past winter was the JBJ trade.

 

The Story signing did not help much for 2022, but at least he drove in some runs.

The Dieman signing sucked, but he ended up getting McGuire for him.

 

We can complain about non-moves all day, but with a limited budget, you have to nix one done deal to make a suggested one.

 

Bloom added Wacha, Refsnyder, Schreiber, Strahm and Hill on a shoestring budget (until the Story signing).

 

He certainly made mistakes, like expecting an .800 batter, like Dalbec, to be able to hi .700, this year. Like planning for 4 SP'er to get hurt at the same time and have capable pitchers way down the depth chart on min wage.

 

Its not just that. I'd be willing to bet if you can bad players who have hurt this team, with a few caveats they're guys who weren't signed to be starting pitchers, closers, set up guys, starting 1B/OF etc etc. How many teams have 3rd options at those positions that aren't "Trash"????

[notin]

Same ole spin, and blame that we’ve heard many times over. Blame DD, and the budget. Outside of a few on here no one is buying what the Moon is cooking. Bloom is in charge, and Bloom is to blame, and if you don’t believe that ask Shaugnessy, and the millions, and millions of Red Sox fans in Red Sox Nation.

 

So you don’t thing the Bargain Bin shopping was related to having less to spend?

[Hugh2]

So you don’t thing the Bargain Bin shopping was related to having less to spend?

 

There's also a difference between bargain bin shopping to find a starting SS/SP vs. pitching depth. when you are hit with a plethora of injuries and those 3rd 4th option guys become your starter you can't really be mad that they're not stars.

[notin]

There's also a difference between bargain bin shopping to find a starting SS/SP vs. pitching depth. when you are hit with a plethora of injuries and those 3rd 4th option guys become your starter you can't really be mad that they're not stars.

 

The fact that the Sox have a pitcher selected in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft shows how deep they’ve been digging. Those guys almost never see MLB…

[Old Red]

So you don’t thing the Bargain Bin shopping was related to having less to spend?

 

Money could have been better spent on JBJ, Story Land, and Paxton just to name a few. Bloom has had three years to work on all the expiring contracts, and to get Raffy signed, and has done nothing in that area. To not Blame Bloom for the current state of the team, and blame others is closing your eyes, and looking the other way, and think no one will notice. Wrong! Plenty notice.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe the American Pickers can find Bloom something along the way

 

Chaim Bloom, American Picker - I kind of like that one.