Red Sox Have "Aggressive" Offer On Table For Alex Bregman

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I do remember reading teams projected war by Steamer and Boston was towards the top for pitching, but they were not at the bottom for hitting, after adding contreras they are about middle ground.

But you can only project with the guys you have on the roster, the Sox since I read those projections have added Contreras, and if they add Bregman or Bichette they're likely shooting up those rankings into the top ten. 

absence of some very bad luck, one more good signing in the infield should make this a very good team.  Not without flaws, but very good. 

Agreed 100%

My point was that there was a gap between our projected rankings for pitching and position players between objective third parties (Steamer and others) with the pitching looking much rosier.

I understand that Contreras (and any future signings) will close that gap, and your comment was worth pointing out, TY.

Im not sure how much Contreras moves the needle. I would assume a decent amount but not a ton.  The context for my post was to express disagreement with people expressing we need another pitcher more than another hitter (or at least that was my initial submission - conversations twist and turn).

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t think other teams rate Duran as highly as you do, and not as high as after the 2024 season.

It has nothing to do with how highly I rate Duran, and some here think I am underrating him by continually suggesting we trade him. Team want Duran and want him badly enough to give us something we need- something much better than Sandoval/Oviedo or DHam/Eaton/Sogard.

Do you think Duran has equal value as oviedo or Sandoval? How about DHam plus Sogard? If yes, then you undervalue Duran.

I've suggested trading him straight up for Lodolo.

BTV says that's a "major overpay" by the Sox ($46M for $31M of value.)

Does that look like I'm overvaluing Duran?

BTV has Paredes worth $11M. I've suggested trading Duran for Paredes and a $7-10M RP'er. 

Once again, you are wrong about what I think. Maybe just stop pretending to know what I think.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Agreed 100%

My point was that there was a gap between our projected rankings for pitching and position players between objective third parties (Steamer and others) with the pitching looking much rosier.

I understand that Contreras (and any future signings) will close that gap, and your comment was worth pointing out, TY.

Im not sure how much Contreras moves the needle. I would assume a decent amount but not a ton.  The context for my post was to express disagreement with people expressing we need another pitcher more than another hitter (or at least that was my initial submission - conversations twist and turn).

Our 1B was such a mess in 2025, so it's hard to not see Contreras as a significant needle-mover.

Do you view the 2026 Gray as being better than the 2025 Gio?

Oviedo and the return of Crawford and Sandoval as better than Buehler/Dobbins/Fitts and the 2025 Houck?

While I agree on wanting better pitching than Gray and Oviedo, our 2026 pitching projections look better than 2025.

1B looks way better.

3B (Bregman) and DH (Devers/Refsnyder & others) look way worse, for now.

 

[Hugh2]

16 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Agreed 100%

My point was that there was a gap between our projected rankings for pitching and position players between objective third parties (Steamer and others) with the pitching looking much rosier.

I understand that Contreras (and any future signings) will close that gap, and your comment was worth pointing out, TY.

Im not sure how much Contreras moves the needle. I would assume a decent amount but not a ton.  The context for my post was to express disagreement with people expressing we need another pitcher more than another hitter (or at least that was my initial submission - conversations twist and turn).

I found an old tweet from November, obvioulsy teams have added/subtracted so it's not 100% accurate but the NYY are #1 with 25.4 position player WAR.  If they subtracted Aaron Judges proction they would slip to 19/20th

If they subtracted his 2025 WAR they slip to 23rd, right behind the Sox at 22.  Who I'm sure have taken a small step forward after adding Contreras. 

My point is.....one signing can heavily sway those projections. 

[Jean-Sébastien Blouin]

What would be the aggressive offer that the Red Sox made to Bregman?

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Multiple teams teams need a BUTTERFLY MAN in the OF?🤭

They are banging down the door to trade for him. It's why he's been in trade rumors for over a year and is still on the team.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Jean-Sébastien Blouin said:

What would be the aggressive offer that the Red Sox made to Bregman?

6/171.5? 

[UtahSox]

17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

6/171.5? 

Confirmed? Dude, if he has that deal out there and hasn’t signed what the hell are we doing? We clearly backed the wrong horse. He doesn’t wanna win. He just wants to maximize his money.
 

Good for Red Sox management if they did this deal. Bregman the hell are you doing? Sign the deal. 

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Confirmed? Dude, if he has that deal out there and hasn’t signed what the hell are we doing? We clearly backed the wrong horse. He doesn’t wanna win. He just wants to maximize his money.
 

Good for Red Sox management if they did this deal. Bregman the hell are you doing? Sign the deal. 

Nothing has been confirmed. Sox don't leak that stuff. 

[Bellhorn04]

13 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Confirmed? Dude, if he has that deal out there and hasn’t signed what the hell are we doing? We clearly backed the wrong horse. He doesn’t wanna win. He just wants to maximize his money.
 

Good for Red Sox management if they did this deal. Bregman the hell are you doing? Sign the deal. 

Let's not over-react to our own guesses. 🙂

[Old Red]

16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Nothing has been confirmed. Sox don't leak that stuff. 

I agree, so who did the leaking?

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I would do signature line bets around here. 

I am a man of your word

I'm open to betting on which of my paint drips hits the carpet first, so I'm in.  Just for fun, I'm setting the under/over for 2026 at a bold 89.5, and I am taking the over.  Anyone taking the other side?

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I agree, so who did the leaking?

If inside the Sox, someone who doesn't know the actual amount IMO. Someone outside Breslow's circle of trust. Maybe Breggie's agent leaked it to get another team to increase their bid? 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Hitch said:

It doesn't really matter if he's worth more to another team or not. That team might not want to give up the piece that's more valuable to us. That's the rub.

It's tough to get those off-season trades.  Most teams have a shot, so they won't like to give up veterans.  There are usually FAs out there to meet a given need, so we have to compete against that.  I think a ST injury or two might loosen that up.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'm open to betting on which of my paint drips hits the carpet first, so I'm in.  Just for fun, I'm setting the under/over for 2026 at a bold 89.5, and I am taking the over.  Anyone taking the other side?

89.5 wins? I can't guess that until the roster is ready. Too soon for me to say.

[UtahSox]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'm open to betting on which of my paint drips hits the carpet first, so I'm in.  Just for fun, I'm setting the under/over for 2026 at a bold 89.5, and I am taking the over.  Anyone taking the other side?

Yes let’s go. I’ll happiness hedge that. Under 89.5 seems like a lot. 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

My point is.....one signing can heavily sway those projections. 

Always upgrade your weakest position with the best player you can find.  That's your best marginal gain.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

It's tough to get those off-season trades.  Most teams have a shot, so they won't like to give up veterans.  There are usually FAs out there to meet a given need, so we have to compete against that.  I think a ST injury or two might loosen that up.

And it's often a case that teams just don't line up. Getting a 3rd team involved is easy to say, harder to pull off. And as always, teams value their own players higher, with both the Royals and Sox being surprised that Ragans for Duran is the deal (too high for Royals - why every not? from the Sox).

As you say, things tend to give when injuries, loss of form, desperation kicks in. We're not there on any of those.

I'd be perfectly happy keeping Duran as long as it doesn't stop them making other moves (which it admittedly might)

[JoeBrady]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

89.5 wins? I can't guess that until the roster is ready.

Part of the bet, and part of the fun is that you are betting on what you think the RS will do.  The folks that think the RS won't make a move should happily take the under 89.5.  

[JoeBrady]

4 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Yes let’s go. I’ll happiness hedge that. Under 89.5 seems like a lot. 

I feel like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places.  I have you down for one signature bet and you are taking the under at 89.5.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Part of the bet, and part of the fun is that you are betting on what you think the RS will do.  The folks that think the RS won't make a move should happily take the under 89.5.  

To me there's no excitement unless I'm actually betting real money on it.  And I freely admit that betting on sports for money is a losing proposition.  I throw away about fifty bucks a year betting on NFL point spreads with my government betting service.    

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I feel like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places.  I have you down for one signature bet and you are taking the under at 89.5.

I still love that movie.  One of my all-time favorites.

[UtahSox]

35 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Let's not over-react to our own guesses. 🙂

Sooooooo far from confirmed. Got it. 

I wish they did postmortem autopsies on all these organizations. Would be the one way to somewhat redeem the slime ball Boras. If after the deal was over, he just said yeah Red Sox offered three years 90 million to Pete Alonso. Mets offered four years 120 and of course Baltimore offered five years 150. I started thinking about this yesterday as Imai had his press conference and alluded to the fact that he left money on the table to go to Houston. It would be fun to know who else was in on him.

 

Obviously, I know this is never gonna happen but would make it more fun. And let’s be honest, baseball off-season is the worst off-season of any sport not even close. 

Fun question how would you guys improve baseball off-season? What changes what you make to make it more exciting and draw more attention to the sport?

 

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Our 1B was such a mess in 2025, so it's hard to not see Contreras as a significant needle-mover.

Do you view the 2026 Gray as being better than the 2025 Gio?

Oviedo and the return of Crawford and Sandoval as better than Buehler/Dobbins/Fitts and the 2025 Houck?

While I agree on wanting better pitching than Gray and Oviedo, our 2026 pitching projections look better than 2025.

1B looks way better.

3B (Bregman) and DH (Devers/Refsnyder & others) look way worse, for now.

 

I think we 2 of the best 4 pitchers in the entire AL and their names are Crochet and Tolle.

Tolle is 6'6 fully filled out with a monster of a pitch mix.

He has confidence and swagger.

I think the more time a pitcher faces a batter the more that favors the batter and the fact that nobody really seen Tolle too many times will make him a hoss.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Hitch said:

And it's often a case that teams just don't line up. Getting a 3rd team involved is easy to say, harder to pull off. And as always, teams value their own players higher, with both the Royals and Sox being surprised that Ragans for Duran is the deal (too high for Royals - why every not? from the Sox).

As you say, things tend to give when injuries, loss of form, desperation kicks in. We're not there on any of those.

I'd be perfectly happy keeping Duran as long as it doesn't stop them making other moves (which it admittedly might)

If the issue is that Brez values Duran significantly more than any GM in need of an OF'er, then maybe no match up will ever come to be. If someone values him closely to Brez's value, then we could trade him for prospects. Then, we know some teams will trade a 2Bman, 3Bman or SP for the right mix of prospects. They may not be the same as the ones we get for Duran, but we should be able to find close to even value at a position of higher need.

It might be a little complex, but I can't imagine not being able to work something out, whereby we get shut out of trading Duran.

I don't know the Reds thinking, but I think they'd do Lodolo for Duran, and it's Brez who would balk. Would they do Duran + Sandoval (or Harrison) for Lodolo and Singer? The money works better for the Reds than the straight Duran>Lodolo suggestion.

I'm not sure I'd do Duran for just Lodolo, but in theory, our gain at SP2/3 would be greater than our loss at DH/4th OF'er.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

Sooooooo far from confirmed. Got it. 

I wish they did postmortem autopsies on all these organizations. Would be the one way to somewhat redeem the slime ball Boras. If after the deal was over, he just said yeah Red Sox offered three years 90 million to Pete Alonso. Mets offered four years 120 and of course Baltimore offered five years 150. I started thinking about this yesterday as Imai had his press conference and alluded to the fact that he left money on the table to go to Houston. It had been nice to know who else was in on him.

 

Obviously, I know this is never gonna happen but would make it more fun. And let’s be honest, baseball off-season is the worst off-season of any sport not even close. 

Fun question how would you guys improve baseball off-season? What changes what you make to make it more exciting and draw more attention to the sport?

 

I'd have all MLB contracts needed to be signed by the end of the Winter Meetings. Anything after that would be a non-guaranteed MiLB contract. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I think we 2 of the best 4 pitchers in the entire AL and their names are Crochet and Tolle.

Tolle is 6'6 fully filled out with a monster of a pitch mix.

He has confidence and swagger.

I think the more time a pitcher faces a batter the more that favors the batter and the fact that nobody really seen Tolle too many times will make him a hoss.

Tolle has one MLB caliber pitch right now. He's not even a capable rotation guy yet. Calling him a top 4 pitcher in the AL in '26 is a little much TBH. 

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Multiple teams teams need a BUTTERFLY MAN in the OF?🤭

Im a duran guy, but speaking for only myself - my willingness to trade him went up significantly when he buttered that fly

I would assume that the flip side is that potential trade partners desire to acquire him went down when he buttered that fly

I dont want to over-emphasize one play, but that drop was bad and the worst thing about it is that Duran lapsing in focus in the field is a pattern more than it is a one-off.

I once had a friend who put the moves on somebodys girl at a party knowing she was there with someone (who we knew but not well). My friend asked me to defend him when he was asked to leave. I said I cant because this is a pattern of behavior from you.  Cuz he be like that.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd have all MLB contracts needed to be signed by the end of the Winter Meetings. Anything after that would be a non-guaranteed MiLB contract. 

Just to satisfy the fans?

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Im a duran guy, but speaking for only myself - my willingness to trade him went up significantly when he buttered that fly

I would assume that the flip side is that potential trade partners desire to acquire him went down when he buttered that fly

I dont want to over-emphasize one play, but that drop was bad and the worst thing about it is that Duran lapsing in focus in the field is a pattern more than it is a one-off.

I once had a friend who put the moves on somebodys girl at a party knowing she was there with someone (who we knew but not well). My friend asked me to defend him when he was asked to leave. I said I cant because this is a pattern of behavior from you.  Cuz he be like that.

GMs also see the havoc he causes other teams when he's on base.

His value is still much higher than most OF'ers starting in MLB, right now.