Red Sox Have "Aggressive" Offer On Table For Alex Bregman

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

So, the evil empire is defeating us, now?

No, he's not the same JH. Nobody is the same after 20+ years. Brilliant point.

No it’s not a brilliant point just stating the obvious. Of course I don’t constantly bring up JH past spending patterns like he same guy either.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Since DD left in 2019: 

Yankees; 494 - 376, 6 playoff appearances, 2 ALE titles

Red Sox: 442 - 428, 2 playoff appearances, 0 ALE titles 

Evil Empire is currently kicking our ass. 

In your mind, okay.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

45 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Is anyone in the camp of signing him at any and all cost?

Not for Soto money, but the Sox better be ready to match rival bids that may be $20 mil or so above their current offer.

Like I said yesterday, if you believe Early or Tolle will be worth $20 mil in the next half decade, then don't trade either for an All-Star. Just pay Bregman.

MLB.com's first Power Rankings just came out, and is anyone here in their camp that the Red Sox right now are the third best AL club (behind the Jays and Ms)? They do mention the Sox "still have some cards left to play."

We can laugh since no one knows if Henry has folded or Brez is even sitting at the table.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No it’s not a brilliant point just stating the obvious. Of course I don’t constantly bring up JH past spending patterns like he same guy either.

Again, a blatant misrepresentation. I've never claimed he has cycled and will again. I've gone out of my way to say I have no idea what JH & Co will spend. I showed that they did spend more since the date the extended Devers but have never claimed it will continue. I even said they "undid much of the spending by dumping Devers."

You claim others often overanalyze your statements, but you continually misanalyze many statements made.

JH has cycled spending in the past and may or may not continue with that trend. He's spending double what he spent in 2003. You are right: he's not the same guy.

He let other GMs pass him by, and some blew past him. One could argue other GMs have changed more than he has. (Note: I'm not arguing that point, just so you don't go and misrepresent that comment, too.)

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

In your mind, okay.

How are the Sox doing better since 2019? 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How are the Sox doing better since 2019? 

Selling different color shirts.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Not for Soto money, but the Sox better be ready to match rival bids that may be $20 mil or so above their current offer.

Like I said yesterday, if you believe Early or Tolle will be worth $20 mil in the next half decade, then don't trade either for an All-Star. Just pay Bregman.

MLB.com's first Power Rankings just came out, and is anyone here in their camp that the Red Sox right now are the third best AL club (behind the Jays and Ms)? They do mention the Sox "still have some cards left to play."

We can laugh since no one knows if Henry has folded or Brez is even sitting at the table.

Yankees are still trying to sign Bellinger. They are bringing back the same club that got them to the playoffs last season, plus may get Cole at some point. 

Orioles made a bunch of moves this offseason, some lateral. After a miserable 19 game stretch in early May, they played above .500 the rest of the way. I don't think they'll be the push over that their record showed last season. Will some of their younger players have big rebound years? 

Toronto is planning on another big signing and is coming off a WS run. They seem like a stronger team than the Sox. 

Rays sold off a lot of guys for prospects and seem to be in rebuild mode. 

Guardians have a bunch of good offensive prospects coming, but lost their closer. Rest of the Central is fine.

Astros and the west are in a transition period. A's have some talent, but not enough because of a cheap owner.

Yanks, Toronto, Baltimore, Sox, Mariners are probably the 5 best teams if you assume a Breggie signing.  

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Well said. I’ve been saying for the last for 3 years now that the JH of today is not the same JH that bought the Red Sox. 20+ years ago, and his priority is not the same like defeating the Evil EMPIRE. Back then too as JH said on the Felger, and Mazz show that LL runs the Red SOX, and that hasn’t been the case for years now.

Ive heard plenty of musicians talk about similar stuff.  Aaron Lewis of Stain'd once said when he was young , it was easy for him to write music because he was angry, driven, and determined. It was his outlet, it was his passion, it was his release, it was his therapy

Flash forward, now he's rich and happy, and hes not as determined/passionate/angry which is great for his own mental health, more power to him, but his music went to s***.

Not a perfect comparison, but even from my own standpoint - no WS will ever compare to 2004.  Because once the monkey if off your back. Future championship are cool and great, but the first one (especially after a longish career) is just different.  Look at KG running around screaming "im certified"

The passion/desire/drive to get back to the top of the mountain may not be 100% of the passion/desire/drive of the first climb

Your theory - we dont know for sure - but its not unreasonable 

[moonslav59]

41 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How are the Sox doing better since 2019? 

Did I say that?

[mvp 78]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Did I say that?

"In your mind, okay." 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

"In your mind, okay." 

You pulled 2019 out of a hat.

The point being argued was JH is not the same today as when he took over the team. If you think 2019 is today, that's in your mind, not mine.

The Yanks won 5 more games than the Sox in 2025. fangraphs has them projected better by a 2.9 fWAR margin for 2026. A Bregman signing might even that up, but then again, a Bellinger signing would likely put them back up again.

I like our team better than the Yanks team: 26 man roster, 40 man roster and farm. In terms of the whole system, it's clearly the Sox, to me.

If it's about what owner spends more this year and next, NYY is the daddy, and the Sox are the ugly stepchild.

I guess it comes down to what you are looking at. To me 2019 might as well be 2003..

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

 

Yanks, Toronto, Baltimore, Sox, Mariners are probably the 5 best teams if you assume a Breggie signing.  

This order, and if you say yes, you know who is going to appear

Say their name (Mariners) and he appears, I believe in Harmony

[drewski6]

My order is prob: TOronto, NYY, Mariners, Sox, Orioles

NYY and SEa are very close.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

This order, and if you say yes, you know who is going to appear

Say their name (Mariners) and he appears, I believe in Harmony

I think he has some kind of notification set-up for that. LOL

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

My order is prob: TOronto, NYY, Mariners, Sox, Orioles

NYY and SEa are very close.

Sox with Breggie and Yanks w/o Bellinger and no lower teams make big adds, my AL rankings go:

1. TOR

2. SEA

3T. NYY/BOS

5. HOU

6T. BAL/KCR

 

 

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You pulled 2019 out of a hat.

Not out of a hat. John Henry's actions have changed since 2019. Betts traded. Everything else happened. That is a dividing line for the current Red Sox. Why go back any further? Since 2019, the Yankees have been far better than the Sox. John Henry has shown no inclination to run his business like he did prior to then. 

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

"In your mind, okay." 

The Yanks just claimed Kaleb Ort. I rest my case.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

This order, and if you say yes, you know who is going to appear

Say their name (Mariners) and he appears, I believe in Harmony

I didn't put my top 5 in any particular order to be clear. 

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Not out of a hat. John Henry's actions have changed since 2019. Betts traded. Everything else happened. That is a dividing line for the current Red Sox. Why go back any further? Since 2019, the Yankees have been far better than the Sox. John Henry has shown no inclination to run his business like he did prior to then. 

Has JH's actions changed since the Devers extension? Why not choose that year?

It's in your mind- not mine. 

I'm not going to assume what Ole Red meant by "today." I'll leave that to him.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The Yanks just claimed Kaleb Ort. I rest my case.

I'd rather have Ort than Jordan Hicks. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd rather have Ort than Jordan Hicks. 

Point to MVP.

You got me.

🙃

[mvp 78]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Has JH's actions changed since the Devers extension? Why not choose that year?

I chose 2019 because that's the dividing line for this franchise. 

If I went with the beginning of 2023, the Yankees would still be kicking the Sox ass (win%, playoff appearances). 

[drewski6]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Sox with Breggie and Yanks w/o Bellinger and no lower teams make big adds, my AL rankings go:

1. TOR

2. SEA

3T. NYY/BOS

5. HOU

6T. BAL/KCR

 

 

mvp said something about "maybe cole back" for NYY, that was (I hate to admit this) music to my ears.

I jsut assumed hed be back, and if i was wrong (and probably am cuz I trust MVP having an informed opinion vs my assumption) - that changes things and knocks NYY down significantly. 

ANd yes i could google gerrit cole injury timeline right now but i made this post instead.

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Not out of a hat. John Henry's actions have changed since 2019. Betts traded. Everything else happened. That is a dividing line for the current Red Sox. Why go back any further? Since 2019, the Yankees have been far better than the Sox. John Henry has shown no inclination to run his business like he did prior 

 

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Has JH's actions changed since the Devers extension? Why not choose that year?

It's in your mind- not mine. 

I'm not going to assume what Ole Red meant by "today." I'll leave that to him.

MVP summed that up pretty well in a previous post also. It’s not that complicated.🙈🤭

[Old Red]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

The problem even with that whole issue is that Werner said "full throttle" and he doesn't have the final say. Werner probably wants to spend more than Henry does. Werner wants the tv stars. Werner wants the ratings. Werner wants the FA signings. Henry is more the guy that we see at the end of Moneyball no matter how truthy it is or not. We all know in our hearts, the bottom line is more important to Henry than the rings at this point. Back when he first bought the Red Sox, he was convinced otherwise. He needs a guy like Lucchino or Dombrowski who can convince him to spend. Instead, he's surrounding himself with yes men. 

Like I said before that this sums things up pretty well, and once again it’s not that complicated to see.

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

mvp said something about "maybe cole back" for NYY, that was (I hate to admit this) music to my ears.

I jsut assumed hed be back, and if i was wrong (and probably am cuz I trust MVP having an informed opinion vs my assumption) - that changes things and knocks NYY down significantly. 

ANd yes i could google gerrit cole injury timeline right now but i made this post instead.

Cole should be back this season, you just hope it's a roller coaster first season back from TJS type year. 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

mvp said something about "maybe cole back" for NYY, that was (I hate to admit this) music to my ears.

I jsut assumed hed be back, and if i was wrong (and probably am cuz I trust MVP having an informed opinion vs my assumption) - that changes things and knocks NYY down significantly. 

ANd yes i could google gerrit cole injury timeline right now but i made this post instead.

Did you know Rodon is expected to begin the season on the IL?

If you double Cole's 2023 fWAR, it would be at 3.6. That's damn good, and it matches Sonny Gray's 2025 fWAR.

Cole is projected at 1.9 or 2.0 for 2026. Gray is projected at 3.6 to 3.9.

[moonslav59]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Cole should be back this season, you just hope it's a roller coaster first season back from TJS type year. 

When Sox have pitchers returning from TJS, many write them off at about an 80 to 100% loss.

Why do Yankee pitchers not get the same treatment?

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Did you know Rodon is expected to begin the season on the IL?

If you double Cole's 2023 fWAR, it would be at 3.6. That's damn good, and it matches Sonny Gray's 2025 fWAR.

Cole is projected at 1.9 or 2.0 for 2026. Gray is projected at 3.6 to 3.9.

Bello is expected to be on the IL at the start of the season to since water is wet. 

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

When Sox have pitchers returning from TJS, many write them off at about an 80 to 100% loss.

Why do Yankee pitchers not get the same treatment?

What on here has been a ringing endorsement of Cole's contributions in 2026?

1. The Yankees "may get Cole at some point."

2. Hope it's a roller coaster season for him.

Him getting projected for 2 fWAR in a partial season is still a lot more than they got out of him last year, no? Good enough to replace last year's 5th starter. 

Per Reports, Rodon will be back mid-April to early May and is already throwing.