Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Your starting first baseman blew out his ACL in the middle of the season.  That’s blatantly different 

I'd be less worried about him if it was just his ACL. He ruptured his patellar tendon FWIW.

[Bellhorn04]

13 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Well said, and that much weaker lineup could have used Raffy in the past postseason against the Yankees.You won’t get that opportunity, or series back.

No, you can't get that back, but the relationship was poisoned, and that's a really bad situation when you still owe a guy $250 million.  

[FredLynn]

Devers makes a LOT of money. He gets an average annual salary of $31,350,000 which works out to $51,647 for every plate appearance in 2025. For that money he should be doing what he is told to do for the good of the team. While the situation isn't 100% his fault (the communication from what I hear could have been better) I would assign him 98% of the blame. We don't need players like that on the team. I am glad he is gone. 

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It wasn't a whole new situation in terms of where each of the two teams had the biggest need: 1B.

We went out and got Nate Lowe, so thinking Cora was fine with Toro at 1B may be true, but that doesn't mean we had no need there.

Just going by what Cora actually said. Didn’t Toro start off fine, and then tailed off.

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So if Raffy wasn’t asked to move to 1B then he was traded because he was mean to reporters?

Brez traded Raffy not Cora. DIFFERENT conversation.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd be less worried about him if it was just his ACL. He ruptured his patellar tendon FWIW.

Yes a bigger injury.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

No, you can't get that back, but the relationship was poisoned, and that's a really bad situation when you still owe a guy $250 million.  

Yes, but that relationship was with Brez, and not Cora, and the HOBO doesn’t seem to last to long.

[FredLynn]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd be less worried about him if it was just his ACL. He ruptured his patellar tendon FWIW.

Patellar tendon ruptures, if promptly repaired, should heal completely and athletes should be able to return to normal activities within 4-6 months, assuming there are no surgical complications. I don't know if Casas had complications but I have heard that he is agressively attacking his rehab.

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, Old Red said:

Yes, but that relationship was with Brez, and not Cora, and the HOBO doesn’t seem to last to long.

At the end of the day my take on this is kind of old school, I guess.  I don't think a player should publicly diss his manager or his CBO.  As I said before if they do it only once, maybe they can apologize and move on. But Raffy did it more than once and he didn't apologize, more like he doubled down.  To me that's a pretty shocking thing for a player to do.  I can't remember too many players ever doing that, period.  Maybe in the heat of the moment saying something stupid.  But Raffy practically had a bullhorn out telling everyone Breslow was wrong to ask him to play first and he needed to do his job and go get a first baseman.   

   

[Hugh2]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd be less worried about him if it was just his ACL. He ruptured his patellar tendon FWIW.

Oh yeah my bad, but you know what I mean. Agree or disagree he was injured and out for the season, that’s what matters here

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Patellar tendon ruptures, if promptly repaired, should heal completely and athletes should be able to return to normal activities within 4-6 months, assuming there are no surgical complications. I don't know if Casas had complications but I have heard that he is agressively attacking his rehab.

It's been well more than 4-6 months and there is no public timetable for his return. I wouldn't expect it to be Opening Day and closer to 12 months or longer.

[Hugh2]

42 minutes ago, Old Red said:

That Cora said he hadn’t spoken to Raffy, and wasn’t going to is a FACT. Saying Cora was taking the fall for Raffy is your opinion, and obviously nothing more than speculation.

Wait hold on, so you seriously believe Cora had zero conversations with Raffy, and John Henry flew out to meet with him personally and that was the first of it?

you serious believe that? Can’t see between the tea leaves at all here???

[JoeBrady]

30 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Patellar tendon ruptures, if promptly repaired, should heal completely and athletes should be able to return to normal activities within 4-6 months, assuming there are no surgical complications. I don't know if Casas had complications but I have heard that he is agressively attacking his rehab.

Regardless of our other disagreements, I always felt your medical insight to be superb and useful.

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Regardless of our other disagreements, I always felt your medical insight to be superb and useful.

Which is why it's 9 months post surgery and Casas is expected to be a full participant in workouts, right? Going to be starting in ST games in 3 weeks? 

[FredLynn]

10 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Regardless of our other disagreements, I always felt your medical insight to be superb and useful.

Thanks. And regardless of our disagreements I have always found your baseball insights to be rational.

[FredLynn]

49 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes a bigger injury.

ACL tears are worse long term:

 

”

An ACL tear is generally considered worse in terms of long-term stability and rehabilitation

, often requiring 6–12 months for recovery and posing a higher risk of chronic instability or arthritis. While a patellar tendon rupture causes more immediate, severe functional loss (inability to extend the knee), both injuries require intensive, long-term rehabilitation. ”

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Which is why it's 9 months post surgery and Casas is expected to be a full participant in workouts, right? Going to be starting in ST games in 3 weeks? 

 

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

Barring complications I would think he should be able to begin athletic activities. He’s not the first athlete to have this injury. Others have had it and made a full recovery, including basketball players who put a lot more stress on the structure than baseball players do.

[drewski6]

23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Which is why it's 9 months post surgery and Casas is expected to be a full participant in workouts, right? Going to be starting in ST games in 3 weeks? 

And we traded for Contreras to play catcher?

[drewski6]

Casas career as a red sox was dead and buried the day we got contreras, the far better player
RIP

Maybe we can get some value for casas back in a trade

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

 

Barring complications I would think he should be able to begin athletic activities. He’s not the first athlete to have this injury. Others have had it and made a full recovery, including basketball players who put a lot more stress on the structure than baseball players do.

Jeremy Lin - came back for one year and retired

Oladipo - hasn't played a regular season game in the NBA since having the surgery

Roberson - played 12 games over the course of two years and hasn't been in the NBA since

These were guys who played in almost every game and their careers were drastically changed by this injury. 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Jeremy Lin - came back for one year and retired

Oladipo - hasn't played a regular season game in the NBA since having the surgery

Roberson - played 12 games over the course of two years and hasn't been in the NBA since

These were guys who played in almost every game and their careers were drastically changed by this injury. 

Other basketball players had a more successful return. For example Wilt Chamberlain came back after just four months and had success, leading the Lakers to the 1970 NBA finals. 
Baseball isn’t nearly as athletically demanding as basketball. I think there’s a good chance Casas makes it back-somewhere.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Wait hold on, so you seriously believe Cora had zero conversations with Raffy, and John Henry flew out to meet with him personally and that was the first of it?

you serious believe that? Can’t see between the tea leaves at all here???

Until I hear, and proven differently I’m taking Cora at his word, and his actions. You are trying to change what happened, because you have a different opinion. You can’t. What I see between the leaves is you calling Cora a Liar. Kind of harsh isn’t it?

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

At the end of the day my take on this is kind of old school, I guess.  I don't think a player should publicly diss his manager or his CBO.  As I said before if they do it only once, maybe they can apologize and move on. But Raffy did it more than once and he didn't apologize, more like he doubled down.  To me that's a pretty shocking thing for a player to do.  I can't remember too many players ever doing that, period.  Maybe in the heat of the moment saying something stupid.  But Raffy practically had a bullhorn out telling everyone Breslow was wrong to ask him to play first and he needed to do his job and go get a first baseman.   

   

I get what you are saying, but I just don’t agree to that extent. Raffy has spoken up before at the trade deadline saying the team knows what they need to get better. Like I said earlier Raffy had seen what had gone through the 1B position the last few years, because of injuries, and I think that had something to do with telling Brez what he did also.

[Hitch]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Strawman? You compared my argument to a flat earther. Feel free to back pedal all you want.

I guess this amounts to burning the world down somehow. I would like a nice fire though. Just one small one in my office. It's really cold in here. 

I said you may as well argue with flat earthers, you know, as in they're more likely to change their mind. The key to figuring this out was that my first sentence said Devers defenders are locked in and never changing theirs. 

If you want to perceive this as comparing your argument to the flat earth argument, well, you do you, I guess. 

[Hitch]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I think people just like Raffy and admitting he was wrong or being a bad teammate by not moving over is a threat towards their feelings about him.

its not.

it can both be true that he was a good player and you can like him and STILL have issue with him not doing what was easily and obviously best for the team when Casas went down.

its ok. We dont have to live in a world of absolutes.  Only Sith Lords deal in absolutes 

This is absolutely rational and will fall on deaf ears. 

I look forward to doing this all again in 5 weeks.

[Kimmi]

3 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Devers makes a LOT of money. He gets an average annual salary of $31,350,000 which works out to $51,647 for every plate appearance in 2025. For that money he should be doing what he is told to do for the good of the team. While the situation isn't 100% his fault (the communication from what I hear could have been better) I would assign him 98% of the blame. We don't need players like that on the team. I am glad he is gone. 

One of the few times that I am in 100% agreement with Mr. FredLynn.  Well said.

Thank goodness we got rid of that contract.

[Kimmi]

Memo to Breslow:

Infielder still needed.  

Get it done.

Send Red Sox fans to camp happy.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

Send Red Sox fans to camp happy.

Unlikely! 

[Old Red]

17 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

One of the few times that I am in 100% agreement with Mr. FredLynn.  Well said.

Thank goodness we got rid of that contract.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. It was so many times on here it was Devers Forevers.

[Hugh2]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Until I hear, and proven differently I’m taking Cora at his word, and his actions. You are trying to change what happened, because you have a different opinion. You can’t. What I see between the leaves is you calling Cora a Liar. Kind of harsh isn’t it?

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45074054/red-sox-owner-john-henry-meets-rafael-devers-remarks
 

dude….its common f***ing sense.  Come on man