Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[FredLynn]

Isaiah Kiner-Falefa has apparently been signed too. He “plays” second base-but he is the kind of bum I think Henry will pay for. 
So much for an upgrade. 
Disgusting.
 

[moonslav59]

Framber to Tigers $115M/3.

[moonslav59]

Andujar to SDP for $4M/1.

[UtahSox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Andujar to SDP for $4M/1.

I like Andujar vs lefties way way more than the guy that cost BJ’s a WS on the base paths.

[Randy Red Sox]

10 hours ago, Kimmi said:

I'm sure there are.  It's just a matter of the price tag, either in dollars or in players.  

Even with Spring Training drawing near, I am confident that Breslow will pick somebody up.

he did today

[Hitch]

On 2/4/2026 at 1:50 AM, notin said:

Bregman got hurt May 23rd, 3 weeks before Devers was traded.  And Devers didn’t see any time at 3b.

So, yeah, they sold his glove on eBay…

On the 2nd of May Casas blew out his knee and Devers refused to play 1st. He wasn't going to play anywhere other than DH at that point. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have been back on 3rd earlier if Bregman got hurt.

That said, the man-child may have refused and thrown his teammates under the bus then, too. 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Hitch said:

On the 2nd of May Casas blew out his knee and Devers refused to play 1st. He wasn't going to play anywhere other than DH at that point.

Except with the Giants.

[moonslav59]

6 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

he did today

This idea sickens me, if this is it.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

This idea sickens me, if this is it.

I’ve been writing that this is exactly what would happen here for weeks. Breslow fixed the rotation but as usual did a half ass job with the lineup, signing a couple of bums instead of talented players.. Henry just won’t pay for a competitive team.

Kiner—Falefa

Mickey Gasper

LOL

[mvp 78]

5 hours ago, Hitch said:

That said, the man-child may have refused and thrown his teammates under the bus then, too. 

Didn't happen.

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Didn't happen.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Hitch said:

Provide a quote. Provide a hit piece from the Globe. Anything aside from your biased assertions against someone you see as a "man-child." 

The only thing anyone complained about was he wore headphones in the clubhouse and told the CBO to do his job with the roster. We're all here everyday wishing Breslow would fix the roster. He was right. 

[Hitch]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Provide a quote. Provide a hit piece from the Globe. Anything aside from your biased assertions against someone you see as a "man-child." 

The only thing anyone complained about was he wore headphones in the clubhouse and told the CBO to do his job with the roster. We're all here everyday wishing Breslow would fix the roster. He was right. 

Jesus, how often do we have to go through this? The best paid guy in the history of the club literally refused to play 1st when our 1st baseman blew his knee out and we needed him. Then he complained he can't play every position on the diamond. As if that's what they were asking. Then he went to the Giants and proudly announced he'll play wherever they tell him. You don't have to reply to every Devers point like some jilted lover. He's not sending you a Christmas card. 

f*** that guy. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Jesus, how often do we have to go through this? The best paid guy in the history of the club literally refused to play 1st when our 1st baseman blew his knee out and we needed him. Then he complained he can't play every position on the diamond. As if that's what they were asking. Then he went to the Giants and proudly announced he'll play wherever they tell him. You don't have to reply to every Devers point like some jilted lover. He's not sending you a Christmas card. 

f*** that guy. 

Where did he throw his teammates under the bus? I'm not disagreeing that he refused to play 1b or acted like a diva. 

[Hitch]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Where did he throw his teammates under the bus? I'm not disagreeing that he refused to play 1b or acted like a diva. 

That to me IS throwing your teammates under the bus. We just lost our first baseman and badly needed him to play there. He could have come out, had a bit of a hissy fit (rightly so in terms of communication), put it on record that he was not happy with the way the entire debacle played out, and still pick up the mitt and play the position to help out the teammates. 

Instead he said no, then went to a new team and promptly said he'd play there. That is throwing your teammates under the bus, no matter the right he had in being annoyed. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

That to me IS throwing your teammates under the bus. We just lost our first baseman and badly needed him to play there. He could have come out, had a bit of a hissy fit (rightly so in terms of communication), put it on record that he was not happy with the way the entire debacle played out, and still pick up the mitt and play the position to help out the teammates. 

Instead he said no, then went to a new team and promptly said he'd play there. That is throwing your teammates under the bus, no matter the right he had in being annoyed. 

You make it sound like the Red Sox losing their 1B was something new, and all of a sudden it created a big crisis that only Raffy could solve no matter if he had ever played the position, or not, and hadn’t even played in the field last year. Casas was hurt the year before also, so needing a 1B had been an ongoing thing hello Franchy Strange Glove. You guys keep bringing up Raffy going to SF, and saying he’d play there, which was an entirely different situation in more ways than one. He was going to a NEW team, who already had a good 3B. COMPLETELY different situation entirely. How often do we have to go through this is how often you keep bringing it up like starting up again on something TWO DAYS old. Why? It is YOUR opinion Raffy threw his teammates under the bus, but that doesn’t make it necessary so.

[drewski6]

33 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Jesus, how often do we have to go through this? The best paid guy in the history of the club literally refused to play 1st when our 1st baseman blew his knee out and we needed him. Then he complained he can't play every position on the diamond. As if that's what they were asking. Then he went to the Giants and proudly announced he'll play wherever they tell him. You don't have to reply to every Devers point like some jilted lover. He's not sending you a Christmas card. 

f*** that guy. 

But I didnt hear anything from Devers disparaging towards his former teammates, even after I heard his former teammates say things like "at least now, we have 26 guys pulling in the same direction"

My only point is that I dont think I heard any fire towards his teammates after he was moved, not to imply that civility and professionalism cant be a front.

[drewski6]

24 minutes ago, Hitch said:

That to me IS throwing your teammates under the bus. We just lost our first baseman and badly needed him to play there. He could have come out, had a bit of a hissy fit (rightly so in terms of communication), put it on record that he was not happy with the way the entire debacle played out, and still pick up the mitt and play the position to help out the teammates. 

Instead he said no, then went to a new team and promptly said he'd play there. That is throwing your teammates under the bus, no matter the right he had in being annoyed. 

"throw teammates under the bus" expression usually is an explicit blaming of teammates, but I dont want to pile on 

I dont need to involve myself here.  My feelings on Devers are different in the fact that my burning question isnt "whose fault" was it, my burning concern was "could the relationship have been salvaged"

Very often things get testy/uncomfortable then get resolved, especially in sports.  I blame Devers some, I blame Breslow some for the breakdown, but more than anything I wonder if the trade needed to happen. When we traded Devers he was hitting and we were winning.  Its not like we had lost 9 of the last 10 and needed to fix the locker room ASAP. Time is the best healer and I wonder if we just gave it a month, it would have all been "water under the bridge"

[Hitch]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You make it sound like the Red Sox losing their 1B was something new, and all of a sudden it created a big crisis that only Raffy could solve no matter if he had ever played the position, or not, and hadn’t even played in the field last year. Casas was hurt the year before also, so needing a 1B had been an ongoing thing hello Franchy Strange Glove. You guys keep bringing up Raffy going to SF, and saying he’d play there, which was an entirely different situation in more ways than one. He was going to a NEW team, who already had a good 3B. COMPLETELY different situation entirely. How often do we have to go through this is how often you keep bringing it up like starting up again on something TWO DAYS old. Why? It is YOUR opinion Raffy threw his teammates under the bus, but that doesn’t make it necessary so.

I'll ignore the Casas was inured the year before (Bregman signed) as it's an utterly useless comparison. The Red Sox had a good 3B man, too. And they needed a 1B when our alternative was Toro playing there. The argument that he was going to a new team and so playing 1st has nothing to do with the fact he wouldn't for his own teammates and team, despite being the all time highest paid player for said team in need, is quite something I must say. 😐

I responded because someone addressed me directly. You didn't need to respond at all if you don't want the conversation to continue. 

And yes, it is my opinion. Thanks Captain Obvious, but nobody should be under the illusion that anything posted on here is anything but opinion. Nobody is acting on inside knowledge. But if a man's direct actions and words on camera is not enough for you, again, you do you. It's more than enough for me. 👍

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

I’ve been writing that this is exactly what would happen here for weeks. Breslow fixed the rotation but as usual did a half ass job with the lineup, signing a couple of bums instead of talented players.. Henry just won’t pay for a competitive team.

Kiner—Falefa

Mickey Gasper

LOL

You could end up being right, but there is still time to make a deal.

You were wrong on Ranger, and moved on much more quickly from that one compared to this one. You also kept forgetting the Contreras add as being significant, though not enough, I agree.

I got a glimmer of hope when those twp roster slots opened up. Gasper and K-F were not my expected additions, but we can trade someone for a decent infielder. and then K-F looks much nicer.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I'll ignore the Casas was inured the year before (Bregman signed) as it's an utterly useless comparison. The Red Sox had a good 3B man, too. And they needed a 1B when our alternative was Toro playing there. The argument that he was going to a new team and so playing 1st has nothing to do with the fact he wouldn't for his own teammates and team, despite being the all time highest paid player for said team in need, is quite something I must say. 😐

I responded because someone addressed me directly. You didn't need to respond at all if you don't want the conversation to continue. 

And yes, it is my opinion. Thanks Captain Obvious, but nobody should be under the illusion that anything posted on here is anything but opinion. Nobody is acting on inside knowledge. But if a man's direct actions and words on camera is not enough for you, again, you do you. It's more than enough for me. 👍

Well said, and a fine opinion you have.

[Hitch]

17 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

"throw teammates under the bus" expression usually is an explicit blaming of teammates, but I dont want to pile on 

I dont need to involve myself here.  My feelings on Devers are different in the fact that my burning question isnt "whose fault" was it, my burning concern was "could the relationship have been salvaged"

Very often things get testy/uncomfortable then get resolved, especially in sports.  I blame Devers some, I blame Breslow some for the breakdown, but more than anything I wonder if the trade needed to happen. When we traded Devers he was hitting and we were winning.  Its not like we had lost 9 of the last 10 and needed to fix the locker room ASAP. Time is the best healer and I wonder if we just gave it a month, it would have all been "water under the bridge"

It also means betraying someone/people. But semantics aside, I think everyone knew what I was getting at with that phrasing. I'd hope anyway. 

That's a fair question. Hard to know really. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall inside that meeting with Henry. It clearly didn't go well.

As I point out ad nauseum, I have no issues with Devers getting rowdy about the whole situation. I don't think I've seen such a dishonest approach to a signing as the - Bregman will play 2nd debacle. It was absurd, and adds fuel to a raging fire that communication is not a strong point for this team. But with all that in mind, the team needed him. He told them to go swivel. And gleefully accepted the role at his new team. Regardless of the royal f*** up that led to that point, that for me is by the biggest sin in this whole shoddy affair.

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

"throw teammates under the bus" expression usually is an explicit blaming of teammates, but I dont want to pile on 

I dont need to involve myself here.  My feelings on Devers are different in the fact that my burning question isnt "whose fault" was it, my burning concern was "could the relationship have been salvaged"

Very often things get testy/uncomfortable then get resolved, especially in sports.  I blame Devers some, I blame Breslow some for the breakdown, but more than anything I wonder if the trade needed to happen. When we traded Devers he was hitting and we were winning.  Its not like we had lost 9 of the last 10 and needed to fix the locker room ASAP. Time is the best healer and I wonder if we just gave it a month, it would have all been "water under the bridge"

As I grow older, I really try to stay away from the obsessive blame game our culture seems to have embraced. It's hard not to, for sure, but when I do it, I rarely think it's all on one person.

Many people could have done things differently in this whole Devers fiasco, and he'd probably still be here. That being said, if he was, we'd probably not have Bregman, Ranger and Contreras here, right now, too. (2 our of the 3 for sure, IMO.)

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I'll ignore the Casas was inured the year before (Bregman signed) as it's an utterly useless comparison. The Red Sox had a good 3B man, too. And they needed a 1B when our alternative was Toro playing there. The argument that he was going to a new team and so playing 1st has nothing to do with the fact he wouldn't for his own teammates and team, despite being the all time highest paid player for said team in need, is quite something I must say. 😐

I responded because someone addressed me directly. You didn't need to respond at all if you don't want the conversation to continue. 

And yes, it is my opinion. Thanks Captain Obvious, but nobody should be under the illusion that anything posted on here is anything but opinion. Nobody is acting on inside knowledge. But if a man's direct actions and words on camera is not enough for you, again, you do you. It's more than enough for me. 👍

You can ignore the Casas getting injured the previous years all you want, but RAffy had seen all the bad tryouts there, and that could be why he told Brez to do his job, and find a real 1B. As Cora had said once again the Red Sox were fine at 1B, so you keep saying Raffy was needed at 1B just rings hollow. Seems you have a problem with Cora. All of this has been gone over, and over, and over again. No One has, or will change their mine, so I’ll close with this.😂😂🤮👋

[Hitch]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Well said, and a fine opinion you have.

Appreciate it, but with your years long beef with Old Red, I can't help but feel if I'd replied to him with 'Zebra s*** is actually an aphrodisiac' you'd have responded with the same post. 😂

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It also means betraying someone/people. But semantics aside, I think everyone knew what I was getting at with that phrasing. I'd hope anyway. 

That's a fair question. Hard to know really. It would have been nice to have been a fly on the wall inside that meeting with Henry. It clearly didn't go well.

As I point out ad nauseum, I have no issues with Devers getting rowdy about the whole situation. I don't think I've seen such a dishonest approach to a signing as the - Bregman will play 2nd debacle. It was absurd, and adds fuel to a raging fire that communication is not a strong point for this team. But with all that in mind, the team needed him. He told them to go swivel. And gleefully accepted the role at his new team. Regardless of the royal f*** up that led to that point, that for me is by the biggest sin in this whole shoddy affair.

I rarely take managements/ownerships side in these sorts of matters, but Devers knew the team wanted him at 1B. I don't care if a fan thinks he'd be better at DH. The team wanted him at 1B and he balked.

He then agreed to play 1B with his ext team. How anyone can assign less than 1% blame on Devers is astounding, to me, but hey, some opinions are wildly different than our own.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

You can ignore the Casas getting injured the previous years all you want, but RAffy had seen all the bad tryouts there, and that could be why he told Brez to do his job, and find a real 1B. As Cora had said once again the Red Sox were fine at 1B, so you keep saying Raffy was needed at 1B just rings hollow. Seems you have a problem with Cora. All of this has been gone over, and over, and over again. No One has, or will change their mine, so I’ll close with this.😂😂🤮👋

Devers was our only 3rd baseman when Casas got hurt the first time. You move him, it just creates another hole. It makes no sense. 

Yes, let's leave it there. Unless I could interest you in a conversation about Zebra s*** being an aphrodisiac? 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Appreciate it, but with your years long beef with Old Red, I can't help but feel if I'd replied to him with 'Zebra s*** is actually an aphrodisiac' you'd have responded with the same post. 😂

I agree with Ole Red more than many think.

IMO, he's dead wrong on thinking a player can tell his boss how to do his job and stick around.

[drewski6]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You can ignore the Casas getting injured the previous years all you want, but RAffy had seen all the bad tryouts there, and that could be why he told Brez to do his job, and find a real 1B. As Cora had said once again the Red Sox were fine at 1B, so you keep saying Raffy was needed at 1B just rings hollow. Seems you have a problem with Cora. All of this has been gone over, and over, and over again. No One has, or will change their mine, so I’ll close with this.😂😂🤮👋

no mokey with the hands over his eyes emoji?

[FredLynn]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You could end up being right, but there is still time to make a deal.

You were wrong on Ranger, and moved on much more quickly from that one compared to this one. You also kept forgetting the Contreras add as being significant, though not enough, I agree.

I got a glimmer of hope when those twp roster slots opened up. Gasper and K-F were not my expected additions, but we can trade someone for a decent infielder. and then K-F looks much nicer.

Yes, Breslow did do a half ass job fixing the roster. Fixed the SP rotation but left the lineup limp. And yes, there is a slight chance that a trade could fix this but after missing out on nearly every single opportunity in the FA market to fix the lineup. He fixed it with two BUMS. So typical, so expected.