Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Appreciate it, but with your years long beef with Old Red, I can't help but feel if I'd replied to him with 'Zebra s*** is actually an aphrodisiac' you'd have responded with the same post. 😂

running for post of the year. The pettiness is real and Im (obviously) not above it myself.

When Moon starts liking my enemy's posts, I cozy right up to Ole Red myself.  BATTLE LINES HAVE BEEN DRAWN LOLOLOL 🙈

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You can ignore the Casas getting injured the previous years all you want, but RAffy had seen all the bad tryouts there, and that could be why he told Brez to do his job, and find a real 1B. As Cora had said once again the Red Sox were fine at 1B, so you keep saying Raffy was needed at 1B just rings hollow. Seems you have a problem with Cora. All of this has been gone over, and over, and over again. No One has, or will change their mine, so I’ll close with this.😂😂🤮👋

What Devers the Diva did was totally inexcusable. Its a team sport. Players are required to do what is best for the TEAM. He makes over $50,000 per PA. There is ZERO justification for his behavior.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree with Ole Red more than many think.

IMO, he's dead wrong on thinking a player can tell his boss how to do his job and stick around.

I agree on the first, and would agree on the second if it had been Cora. Who knows maybe Cora has told Brez the same thing Raffy did. I think it’s more than a possibility, and the same thing with Bloom.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

What Devers the Diva did was totally inexcusable. Its a team sport. Players are required to do what is best for the TEAM. He makes over $50,000 per PA. There is ZERO justification for his behavior.

Seems like I heard that some where before.🤓

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Seems like I heard that some where before.🤓

And its just as true now as the last time you heard it and it will be just as true next time you hear it.

[Old Red]

17 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

And it’s just as true now as the last time you heard it and it will be just as true next time you hear it.

Required? True? Devers the Diva, or Devers Forevers?🤔

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Required? True? Devers the Diva, or Devers Forevers?🤔

Devers wasn't 100% responsible for all this-just 98%. Glad he is gone.

[Old Red]

8 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Devers wasn't 100% responsible for all this-just 98%. Glad he is gone.

As always your trusted opinion is well appreciated.😉

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Yes, Breslow did do a half ass job fixing the roster. Fixed the SP rotation but left the lineup limp. And yes, there is a slight chance that a trade could fix this but after missing out on nearly every single opportunity in the FA market to fix the lineup. He fixed it with two BUMS. So typical, so expected.

We have some trade chips to fix the problem. If it's about money, we could make a trade that adds no money or even saves us some. There is no reason to think we can't make a major addition to help. It won't be KMarte, but I do think we'll be a top 5-6 contender with Paredes, Hoerner or maybe Shaw, Baty or someone like them.

I had hopes of getting to top 3-4, but 5 or 6 gives us a shot.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I agree on the first, and would agree on the second if it had been Cora. Who knows maybe Cora has told Brez the same thing Raffy did. I think it’s more than a possibility, and the same thing with Bloom.

Well, I did give the quote where Cora agreed that Devers was needed at 1B.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

As I grow older, I really try to stay away from the obsessive blame game our culture seems to have embraced. It's hard not to, for sure, but when I do it, I rarely think it's all on one person.

Many people could have done things differently in this whole Devers fiasco, and he'd probably still be here. That being said, if he was, we'd probably not have Bregman, Ranger and Contreras here, right now, too. (2 our of the 3 for sure, IMO.)

Bregman was already here, and Ranger most likely would not be here if Bregman was here. Not sure about Con Man.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Seems like I heard that some where before.🤓

I thought hearing things over and over = truth for you.

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Well, I did give the quote where Cora agreed that Devers was needed at 1B.

Cora did not come out, and say Devers was needed at 1B.

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I thought hearing things over and over = truth for you.

All depends who it’s from. Some are more reliable than others.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I rarely take managements/ownerships side in these sorts of matters, but Devers knew the team wanted him at 1B. I don't care if a fan thinks he'd be better at DH. The team wanted him at 1B and he balked.

He then agreed to play 1B with his ext team. How anyone can assign less than 1% blame on Devers is astounding, to me, but hey, some opinions are wildly different than our own.

Devers knew Brez wanted him at 1B. You don’t care that a fan thought Devers would be better at DH? I guess the same goes for not caring if a fan thinks Raffy would have been better at 1B. Still going on about what happened after Raffy got to SF, which was a entirely different situation all together, and not seeing that is astounding to me. Yes SOME opinions are wildly different, and that seems to be a problem for some.

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Cora did not come out, and say Devers was needed at 1B.

"He expressed his feelings. John did the same thing," Cora said. "I think the most important thing here is we're trying to accomplish something big here. And obviously there's changes on the roster, situations that happened, and you have to adjust.... The plan is to keep having conversations..."

Oh, so I suppose this means to you, "Management needs to adjust to the Devers demands and wishes. We need to keep talking to him so he can help us adjust and do as he says by going out and getting a 1Bman, instead of asking politely for him to play there for the team's good." Okay. I got your position down.

It's so obvious the "changes on the roster" was the Casas injury.

It's so obvious that the "have to adjust" meant changing the idea of Devers as the FT DH to playing 1B was what Cora, Brez and JH wanted or at worst came to a consensus about.

One other major point about wanting to adjust the roster to improve the team involved finding a place for Anthony to play, and Anthony at 1B was not going to be an option. Anthony at DH was part of the whole "getting batter" mantra.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Devers knew Brez wanted him at 1B. You don’t care that a fan thought Devers would be better at DH? I guess the same goes for not caring if a fan thinks Raffy would have been better at 1B. Still going on about what happened after Raffy got to SF, which was a entirely different situation all together, and not seeing that is astounding to me. Yes SOME opinions are wildly different, and that seems to be a problem for some.

I know the SFG situation was different. I acknowledge that, so "not seeing that" is another wrong assumption. Oh, and by the way, he wasn't so willing to get ready to play 1B so quickly with them, too. He missed a workout session at 1B as he shuffled his selfish feet, all along.

Differing opinions, even when astounding are fine with me, but pretending posters don't understand your point because they disagree is a problem for some, yes.

[Old Red]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

"He expressed his feelings. John did the same thing," Cora said. "I think the most important thing here is we're trying to accomplish something big here. And obviously there's changes on the roster, situations that happened, and you have to adjust.... The plan is to keep having conversations..."

Oh, so I suppose this means to you, "Management needs to adjust to the Devers demands and wishes. We need to keep talking to him so he can help us adjust and do as he says by going out and getting a 1Bman, instead of asking politely for him to play there for the team's good." Okay. I got your position down.

It's so obvious the "changes on the roster" was the Casas injury.

It's so obvious that the "have to adjust" meant changing the idea of Devers as the FT DH to playing 1B was what Cora, Brez and JH wanted or at worst came to a consensus about.

One other major point about wanting to adjust the roster to improve the team involved finding a place for Anthony to play, and Anthony at 1B was not going to be an option. Anthony at DH was part of the whole "getting batter" mantra.

You read into this to fit your narrative just as you always have. I have a different narrative, and a different opinion. NOTHING has changed.

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I know the SFG situation was different. I acknowledge that, so "not seeing that" is another wrong assumption. Oh, and by the way, he wasn't so willing to get ready to play 1B so quickly with them, too. He missed a workout session at 1B as he shuffled his selfish feet, all along.

Differing opinions, even when astounding are fine with me, but pretending posters don't understand your point is a problem for some, yes.

If you know the SF situation is different then why do you keep bringing it up? If it’s different then it doesn’t mean much of anything. I’ve already mentioned Raffy skipped out on Will Clark on some 1B tutoring, so nothing new there either. What else have you got that you think is relevant? Ah the judge of what’s astounding like you haven’t had more than your share of astounding opinions on here.🙈

[FredLynn]

53 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We have some trade chips to fix the problem. If it's about money, we could make a trade that adds no money or even saves us some. There is no reason to think we can't make a major addition to help. It won't be KMarte, but I do think we'll be a top 5-6 contender with Paredes, Hoerner or maybe Shaw, Baty or someone like them.

I had hopes of getting to top 3-4, but 5 or 6 gives us a shot.

It’s possible we could trade for a significant infield upgrade. I’d put those odds around 20%.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

Devers wasn't 100% responsible for all this-just 98%. Glad he is gone.

Then don't complain when the Sox are missing a big bat in the middle of the lineup. 🫠

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Then don't complain when the Sox are missing a big bat in the middle of the lineup. 🫠

Like they did this past postseason.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

But I didnt hear anything from Devers disparaging towards his former teammates, even after I heard his former teammates say things like "at least now, we have 26 guys pulling in the same direction"

My only point is that I dont think I heard any fire towards his teammates after he was moved, not to imply that civility and professionalism cant be a front.

Oh yeah, where's that quote? Want to provide it? 

[FredLynn]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Then don't complain when the Sox are missing a big bat in the middle of the lineup. 🫠

Devers was irreplaceable? We could have signed a different big bat-Schwarber, Alonso etc. We could have traded for one. Devers was a cancer and wasn’t irreplaceable. But we didn’t replace him. Instead Henry pocketed the money.

Disgusting. 

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Oh yeah, where's that quote? Want to provide it? 

His BEHAVIOR was disparaging to his teammates. That’s much more telling than words.

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Like they did this past postseason.

The guy that averages one HR every 4 games at NYY3? Seems like they could have used him! Also hits a ton of bombs at TOR, CLE, SEA...

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

His BEHAVIOR was disparaging to his teammates. That’s much more telling than words.

What behavior? Wearing headphones? 

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Devers was irreplaceable? We could have signed a different big bat-Schwarber, Alonso etc. We could have traded for one. Devers was a cancer and wasn’t irreplaceable. But we didn’t replace him. Instead Henry pocketed the money.

Disgusting. 

Why downgrade the club with Alonso? 

Devers 857 OPS '23-'25

Alonso 827 OPS '23-'25

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

You read into this to fit your narrative just as you always have. I have a different narrative, and a different opinion. NOTHING has changed.

How did you take the word "adjust?"

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

If you know the SF situation is different then why do you keep bringing it up? I

I didnt bring it up in the post you responded to. You brought it back up.