Article: BREAKING: Red Sox Trade For White Sox Ace Garrett Crochet

[Jasonbay44]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Odds are well against that happening.  
 

Even with their topflight farm,, the chances are the Sox don’t have multiple future All Stars.

Remember when KC had 8 players in the BA top 100, including a few in the top 20?  Looking back, those were a wide range of performers, with the best of the bunch coming from your choice of Alcides Escobar, Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas or Wil Myers.  Some, like Christian Colon, topped out at the utility infielder level.  I think their best arm in that bunch was Jake Odorizzi.  Of course the only other one I recall was Chris Haney, who I think never even made MLB.  Or if he did, it was fleeting…

I’m not betting on that happening, but we also have no reason to believe Fried will all of a sudden just suck 3 years into the deal. He’s been very good and consistent his entire career. 

[sk7326]

6 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

That's fine, overall I don't disagree.  But you just traded your last two 1st round picks who were #`12 and #14

Ideally, you're not picking there but rather you're picking in the 26-30 range.  Gets a little tougher to do that consistently.

Teams without money pop, but teams who can draft, develop, and spend stay on top.  Sox used to do all 3 very well. 

Absolutely.  But it is a wait and see on that front.  I mean, the Dodgers are the vision here ... where all of these decisions are made from strength and where there is both big league quality and prospect inventory. 

[sk7326]

4 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Montgomery is a power hitting switch hitter. All American. Can throw 95+. I hate the fact that they put him in the deal. They didn't even see what he could do as a professional due to his ankle injury. Dumb move.

Presuming he recovers from the broken ankle fine, he could be very good.  But he is also a cat who's played 0 games of professional baseball.  At least the Red Sox were dealing from org strength. 

[Hitch]

11 hours ago, FredLynn said:

It wouldn’t have costed us any prospects if they had bit the bullet and paid Fried.

 

Yes but Fried could be a bust by year 3 and a sunk cost. And the short memories/wilful ignorance of fans means Breslow would have been in the wrong then, too. The guy can't win any way he goes. But that's what being a fan seems to be these days. Find your imperfection and moan about it.

 

It's a step price but only Teel really hurts and I love the Narvaez trade.

 

I'm just glad we're involved at the premier player table and making moves again..

[Old Red]

12 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I guess only 2025 matters now.

Imagine that! The audacity of fans that only 2025 matters now.🙈🤭🤫

[Old Red]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Would you or the CWS have substituted Cespedes and Bleis for Montgomery?

How about Mayer, Bleis, Meidroth, Wikelman vs Teel, Montgomery, Meidroth, Cespedes?

Mayer, Bleis, Cespedes & Meidroth (no Monty & Wikelman?)

How about including Campbell, Anthony, and Mayer? How about throwing Duran, or Raffy in? That’s 1 way to get Raffy off 3B.

[Old Red]

12 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

2 year rental.

Maybe 1.5 year stay depending on how things work out? Imagine that.

[Hitch]

 

Bob Nightengale

@BNightengale

The final 5 finalists in the Garrett Crochet trade talks before the Chicago White Sox traded him: 

Boston Red Sox: (who landed him)

Atlanta 

New York Yankees 

Cincinnati Reds

Philadelphia Phillies

 

 

[notin]

10 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

I’m not betting on that happening, but we also have no reason to believe Fried will all of a sudden just suck 3 years into the deal. He’s been very good and consistent his entire career. 

Ok, but so was David Price.  
 

Fried will start to suck at some point on that contract.  Maybe year 3.  Maybe year 5.  Most likely before year 8. 

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

I’m not betting on that happening, but we also have no reason to believe Fried will all of a sudden just suck 3 years into the deal. He’s been very good and consistent his entire career. 

I disagree. He is currently a big injury question mark and is on the verge of a second TJS. There is a poor track record for pitchers after the second TJS. 

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Imagine that! The audacity of fans that only 2025 matters now.🙈🤭🤫

This isn't a team that is going to do enough damage in 2025 for it to be the only season to matter. If they were on the precipice of the WS last year and this move gets them over the top, fine. That's not where this franchise is. They still have a long way to go IMO. Short term moves aren't going to fix the inherent problems of the top of the organization. 

[Hugh2]

16 hours ago, notin said:

In the end, they got a good sp.    If Alcantara becomes available, maybe they were premature.  But keeping the top 3 was huge.

And on the Alcantara thread, you said he cost Campbell plus. Now he’s Teel and Montgomery plus?

Meidroth is a top ten, but he’s replaceable.  He’s a utility infielder on a good team at best.  Maybe a starter on a bad team.

No, there's a lot more risk with Crochet than there is with someone like Sandy Alcantara.  Alcantara would cost you more

[moonslav59]

51 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

No, there's a lot more risk with Crochet than there is with someone like Sandy Alcantara.  Alcantara would cost you more

I'd like to have both "risks" on our roster.

[Hugh2]

53 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd like to have both "risks" on our roster.

I'd rather go FA route, I don't mind trading prospects, but I certainly don't want to get trade happy and start emptying the system.  I can stomach the Crochet trade, but if they do a lot more I'd be upset.  

I'd rather trade for a closer and sign Burnes. 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I'd rather go FA route, I don't mind trading prospects, but I certainly don't want to get trade happy and start emptying the system.  I can stomach the Crochet trade, but if they do a lot more I'd be upset.  

I'd rather trade for a closer and sign Burnes. 

I get the point about trading more top prospects, but Alcantara is under control for 3 years:

Age 29 (2025) $17M (but maybe more importantly, an $11.2M AAV)

Age 30 $17M

Age 31 $21M

I'm sure they would insist on Anthony or Campbell (or 2 of out top 3,) but I'd offer Mayer, Abreu, Crawford, Perales and Bleis.

[drewski6]

I dont think the plan is to fool us and still go cheap. This might ultimately be the end result, but I think Crochet's inexpensive contract was sought after because it allows you to flex the spending muscle elsewhere.

Im expecting one of TH, Santander, Bregman (maybe even 2)
Im expecting another pitcher like Pivetta, Hoffman, Buehler, Manaea , Castillo

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

This isn't a team that is going to do enough damage in 2025 for it to be the only season to matter. If they were on the precipice of the WS last year and this move gets them over the top, fine. That's not where this franchise is. They still have a long way to go IMO. Short term moves aren't going to fix the inherent problems of the top of the organization. 

Theres something to be said for changing your culture and giving us playoff baseball, even if they arent favorites for WS. Meaning: Im not a championship or bust guy.

Also, no way they are done.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Theres something to be said for changing your culture and giving us playoff baseball, even if they arent favorites for WS. Meaning: Im not a championship or bust guy.

Also, no way they are done.

Get the duck boats ready if they sign Sean Manaea I guess? 

[a700hitter]

20 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We needed a "bridge" catcher to Teel, anyway. Now, we need a long term catching solution.

He may be closer to the Show than you give him credit.

[Hugh2]

49 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I get the point about trading more top prospects, but Alcantara is under control for 3 years:

Age 29 (2025) $17M (but maybe more importantly, an $11.2M AAV)

Age 30 $17M

Age 31 $21M

I'm sure they would insist on Anthony or Campbell (or 2 of out top 3,) but I'd offer Mayer, Abreu, Crawford, Perales and Bleis.

Yes, and after three years you will have to pay for Crochet and Alcantara.  So you're looking at a 3 year window. 

I would prefer to not of had to put up with 5 years of suck for a 3 year window.  At some point you have to pay someone.....you have to pay someone!!!! If not, then your reality is 2-3 year windows followed by several years of stink. 

I'm sick and tired of making excuses for this team not spending money.  It's not like they were losing money when the Sox were winning.  I dont' want cheap ownership, I want a front office that is interested in building a perennial winner, year in and year out. 

Yes, that means you trade sometimes, it also means you take a chance on your own guys so you can go out and afford to take a chance on free agents. 

Sox got their nice shiny trade toy in Crochet, now go spend the money on a free agent.  

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

He may be closer to the Show than you give him credit.

I think he can be a MLB, opening day, but more likely summer/fall of '25. I would have prefered we started the year with a vet defensive catcher on a 1 year deal- as the co-catcher with Wong. Teel could be called up during 2025.

How much closer do you think he is?

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

Yes, and after three years you will have to pay for Crochet and Alcantara.  So you're looking at a 3 year window. 

I would prefer to not of had to put up with 5 years of suck for a 3 year window.  At some point you have to pay someone.....you have to pay someone!!!! If not, then your reality is 2-3 year windows followed by several years of stink. 

I'm sick and tired of making excuses for this team not spending money.  It's not like they were losing money when the Sox were winning.  I dont' want cheap ownership, I want a front office that is interested in building a perennial winner, year in and year out. 

Yes, that means you trade sometimes, it also means you take a chance on your own guys so you can go out and afford to take a chance on free agents. 

Sox got their nice shiny trade toy in Crochet, now go spend the money on a free agent.  

I totally agree, but I know better.

I also like 3 years of a 29 year old pitchers better than 7-8 years of a 30-31 year old pitcher.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

This isn't a team that is going to do enough damage in 2025 for it to be the only season to matter. If they were on the precipice of the WS last year and this move gets them over the top, fine. That's not where this franchise is. They still have a long way to go IMO. Short term moves aren't going to fix the inherent problems of the top of the organization. 

So... we won't get to see Chapman smirking on the mound after giving up another walk-off bomb in the next postseason?

[Hugh2]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I totally agree, but I know better.

I also like 3 years of a 29 year old pitchers better than 7-8 years of a 30-31 year old pitcher.

There's risk on both sides, sure, you won't have a guy break down on you or give you junk like David Price.  You will also never have guys like Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer either.  Good pitchers tend to find a way to stay good in their 30's.  Yes some guys break down, but most either remain very good, or if healthy at least valuable. 

You gotta swing somewhere.  I have ZERO interest in emptying the farm to go on a run for a few years.  I'd rather see them spend the money. 

Because guess what? if they're unwilling to spend the money now, that means they're unwilling to spend the money in a few years.  Which means this team is doomed to repeat it's past mistakes.  I'm talking trading away Duran/Casas/Roman Anthony/Campbell.  At some point in three years from now when they're going to have start paying these guys and the payroll is inflated they will start shedding payroll again.  And their window will be closed.....because that's who they are.  The team who doesn't spend, doesn't swing, doesnt' take chances. 

That team had 3 last place finished the last 1/2 a decade.  I'm very un interested in that philosophy.  And just trading guys without taking at least ONE big FA swing makes me believe they have not changed their tune. 

[moonslav59]

Hugh, I totally agree on spending, actually the lack of it. We need to spend to get over the hump. Trading away the whole future will just get us back to where we were for the last 6 years.

I am not for trading away Campbell and Anthony. I'd really like to keep Mayer and some others, too.

I'd much prefer we sign some FAs, hopefully not the real old ones, but a few.

When I suggest a trade, it is based on the idea that JH will not spend big to fix the holes I see needing fixing.

[drewski6]

59 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Get the duck boats ready if they sign Sean Manaea I guess? 

IF they sign Manaea, TH, and Bregman, I think they have a good chance at making the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

IF they sign Manaea, TH, and Bregman, I think they have a good chance at making the playoffs.

That would be something. I'd say we would be big faves to make the playoffs and maybe even be in the top 5-7 odds to win the WS. With HOU looking like a rebuilding team, and the Yanks losing Soto, the AL top teams need more additions to stay highly rated.

The other thing about your picks is that we'd surely trade Abreu, if we added TH. That would bring us another key piece (maybe a big pen upgrade.) With Bregman at 3B, our defense could approach top 10 after being bottom 5.

1. Duran CF

2. Bregman 3B

3. Devers 1B/DH

4. Tesocar LF

5. Casas DH/1B

6. Story SS

7. Anthony RF

8. Campbell 2B

9. Wong-Narvaez

Bench: Rafaela, DHam, Yoshida/Grissom, Narvaez

Damn, that's nice!

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

That would be something. I'd say we would be big faves to make the playoffs and maybe even be in the top 5-7 odds to win the WS. With HOU looking like a rebuilding team, and the Yanks losing Soto, the AL top teams need more additions to stay highly rated.

The other thing about your picks is that we'd surely trade Abreu, if we added TH. That would bring us another key piece (maybe a big pen upgrade.) With Bregman at 3B, our defense could approach top 10 after being bottom 5.

1. Duran CF

2. Bregman 3B

3. Devers 1B/DH

4. Tesocar LF

5. Casas DH/1B

6. Story SS

7. Anthony RF

8. Campbell 2B

9. Wong-Narvaez

Bench: Rafaela, DHam, Yoshida/Grissom, Narvaez

Damn, that's nice!

Its also feasible

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

I dont think the plan is to fool us and still go cheap. This might ultimately be the end result, but I think Crochet's inexpensive contract was sought after because it allows you to flex the spending muscle elsewhere.

Im expecting one of TH, Santander, Bregman (maybe even 2)
Im expecting another pitcher like Pivetta, Hoffman, Buehler, Manaea , Castillo

I doubt we go two from the first group, but 1 and 1 is feasable.

I'm still waiting to see it- to believe it.

I know e "CAN," but will we "DO?"

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I doubt we go two from the first group, but 1 and 1 is feasable.

I'm still waiting to see it- to believe it.

I know e "CAN," but will we "DO?"

How would you (or anyone else who wants to chime in) rank these reasons of why the sox stopped at 700M for Soto

A. They stopped at 700m because it was all a sham and they knew 700 wouldnt get it done and they didnt actually want to spend, just say they tried

B. They do not see Soto as a generational player

C. They are shy to commit these kind of dollars to any one person

D. They reached a point where they determined, if we go any higher for Soto, we are crossing a threshold where we are now in a place where we think we can have a better team if we use this money elsewhere (e.g. instead of going 750 for Soto, we think wed be better off with 3 additions that sum to 750)

E. They knew that no matter how high they went, Mets would go bigger , so they moved on

Heres my order of likelihood: D, C, E, B, A

So I honestly think they will spend.