Article: BREAKING: Red Sox Trade For White Sox Ace Garrett Crochet

[Bellhorn04]

2 hours ago, notin said:

And of course they did.  And took the bulk of the money they didn’t give Turner and spent it on another shortstop - Xander Bogaerts.  Which is why his contract got so ridiculous as well…

Not sure we ever found out who San Diego was bidding against there.  We know it wasn't the Red Sox.

[Old Red]

40 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yeah, so that’s a 5 year contract, is what I meant.  I was assuming you were counting his team control years and taking on 3, so that’s 5 not 6.

 

i don’t think he will sign an extension only giving him one more year.  Mine as well just go to FA.  But who knows, maybe he will.  That still allows him to get another big payday.  I’d rather lock him up for a few more years.  

That’s why I was thinking more along the line of the Bogey extension, which was 6 years, and I believe an opt out after three. I don’t believe the Red Sox would make it worth his while to not have an opt out.

[Nick]

Anthony, Campbell and Mayer are all expected to 'arrive for mlb' sometime during 2025. I hope to see both Anthony and Campbell in early May. 

Think about that.

We have Rafaela under team control for 7 years, Abreu and Hamilton for 5 years and Duran, Wong and Casas for 4 years. That's in addition to our top 3 prospects who will have 6+ years control left if brought up sometime in May.

Some of you are worried that we gave away 4 prospects to get a possible #1 starter? I really don't understand that logic.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Nick said:

The bottom line is much analysis went into making the trade for Crochet, giving up 4 prospects including Teel. 

It would be difficult for me to believe NOW the FO is cautious about extending this guy. As far as I'm concerned, JH jumped in with both feet when the trade happened. 

I would hope that we extend the guy. Obviously there's never a sure thing but by trading away 4 good prospects, our front office has shown its hand. 

 

I think we will try to extend him, quickly- like we did with other players we gave a big package up to obtain. Hell, he turns only 26 in June.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Nick said:

Anthony, Campbell and Mayer are all expected to 'arrive for mlb' sometime during 2025. I hope to see both Anthony and Campbell in early May. 

Think about that.

We have Rafaela under team control for 7 years, Abreu and Hamilton for 5 years and Duran, Wong and Casas for 4 years. That's in addition to our top 3 prospects who will have 6+ years control left if brought up sometime in May.

Some of you are worried that we gave away 4 prospects to get a possible #1 starter? I really don't understand that logic.

It's the word "possible" before #1 starter that is the worry.

He's been a RP'er since college. He's gone 65 IP, once. He's had major injuries.

I like the deal, but there is plenty of reason for "worry," too.

[Thunder]

24 minutes ago, Nick said:

Anthony, Campbell and Mayer are all expected to 'arrive for mlb' sometime during 2025. I hope to see both Anthony and Campbell in early May. 

Think about that.

We have Rafaela under team control for 7 years, Abreu and Hamilton for 5 years and Duran, Wong and Casas for 4 years. That's in addition to our top 3 prospects who will have 6+ years control left if brought up sometime in May.

Some of you are worried that we gave away 4 prospects to get a possible #1 starter? I really don't understand that logic.

I'm with you - it should work out just fine as long as Crochet lives up to the hype. People (not necessarily anybody here) are just dying to see Boston become the marquee free agent destination it once was.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Paying Fried got a lot less likely with the Yankees involved anyway.  The Sox can’t outspend the Yankees, but they can put together better prospect packages…

I suspect even the Yankees have a limit. Henry is a multimillionaire. He’s paid for talent in the past and it would be nice to see that again.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

No one knows if the future is going to be as bright as everyone has been salivating about since Mayer was picked after three teams passed on him, and he became the chosen one of the Red Sox. Now it seems Campbell, and Anthony have passed him in the hype, but none of these guys have produced Nothing yet in the bigs. There is certainly no guarantee they are all going to be Super Stars, and most likely all will not. Way to much hype put on all these suspects/prospects, and what the future could, or could not be. Fried was over paid for to long a time IMO.

He was paid what it took to sign him. No doubt at the end of his contract it will look bad but if he helps win a ring or two it’s worth it.

Meanwhile the Flops have SUCKED for years-and it’s getting old.

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

That’s why I was thinking more along the line of the Bogey extension, which was 6 years, and I believe an opt out after three. I don’t believe the Red Sox would make it worth his while to not have an opt out.

I’d be ok with something along those guidelines, I’d prefer to get more than just one year of team control.  Perhaps an opt out after year 4.

 

id also explore what extension he would be open to that included no opt out.  Or perhaps a team option that vests if he is injured and has to have surgery and miss a year

[notin]

6 hours ago, Old Red said:

I was one of the few who didn’t buy into the Full Throttle scheme, and then spend all offseason crying sham, sham, sham and blasting everyone from JH on down. I kept saying let’s wait until March 28 to see how things looked. I said before the offseason even started that I didn’t expect the Red Sox would sign any high priced FA to any long term contracts, and would trade some suspects for some pitching, so I was a year off. You said it wasn’t worth making the postseason, because they wasn’t good enough, and I’ll repeat again that I think most Red Sox fans would take making the postseason rather they did anything, or not, and would not say what’s the sense like you did. On to 2025. The here, and now.

One of the few?? 
 

NOBODY bought into.  It was more of a running joke all off/season.  Heck I kept calling  Kennedy “Squealer”.  (That is a literary reference, in  case you weren’t one of the few to catch it.) because of the way he gave public statements…

[Tedballgame]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think we will try to extend him, quickly- like we did with other players we gave a big package up to obtain. Hell, he turns only 26 in June.

If the Sox aren't able to extend him or if he is a bust, this trade will go down as one of the worst in recent times. Maybe not Bagwell worthy, but possible if Teel and/or Montgomery turn out to be All-Stars.

[Tedballgame]

Sox need to sign a good right handed bat like Alonso, get rid of Yoshida (if possible), sign another starter and another good bullpen guy. That might get them into the playoffs if their young guys continue to get better.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

If the Sox aren't able to extend him or if he is a bust, this trade will go down as one of the worst in recent times. Maybe not Bagwell worthy, but possible if Teel and/or Montgomery turn out to be All-Stars.

The trade was a big risk, but there could be a big reward, too.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Tedballgame said:

Sox need to sign a good right handed bat like Alonso, get rid of Yoshida (if possible), sign another starter and another good bullpen guy. That might get them into the playoffs if their young guys continue to get better.

Casas and Devers are two of our best hitters, especially as lefties vs lefties. 

Both are best utilized at DH or 1B. Why sign a 1Bman?

[Tedballgame]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Casas and Devers are two of our best hitters, especially as lefties vs lefties. 

Both are best utilized at DH or 1B. Why sign a 1Bman?

Because he hits right handed and would hit 50 HRs in Fenway. He can DH or play first. Casas can play first and DH. Devers can stay at 3rd.

[Tedballgame]

Bregman would be ok if the contract is not unreasonable. I think he is on the downward slide. He isn't worth more than a 5 year deal.

 

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Because he hits right handed and would hit 50 HRs in Fenway. He can DH or play first. Casas can play first and DH. Devers can stay at 3rd.

I get how the arrangement would work, but why add a 4th DH to the roster, when we can add a RHB that actually can play defense, too?

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Bregman would be ok if the contract is not unreasonable. I think he is on the downward slide. He isn't worth more than a 5 year deal.

 

Bregman will cost more than Alfonso, but for good reason. He plays very good defense.

My worry is the talk of playing him at 2B. I'd rather have Alonso, if that is the plan. Just play Campbell at 2B and use Bregman's money, elsewhere- like on a pitcher or two.

[moonslav59]

Soxprospects,com has a take on the trade:

http://news.soxprospects.com/2024/12/trade-analysis-scouting-prospects-dealt.html

[mvp 78]

15 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think we will try to extend him, quickly- like we did with other players we gave a big package up to obtain. Hell, he turns only 26 in June.

I think it will happen later in ST. 

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Soxprospects,com has a take on the trade:

http://news.soxprospects.com/2024/12/trade-analysis-scouting-prospects-dealt.html

You have to give something to get something, and I think that sums up this trade perfectly.

I agree with this sentiment. I may not be a huge believer in Crochet, but I think the trade felt like the right amount in retrospect. It felt like a lot, but didn't feel like it was a complete dog of a trade. The initial trade mentioned a few weeks ago was Casas instead of Teel and that would have been too much IMO. As long as they find a way to fix the Catching position, I'm good with it. Montgomery is just a huge question mark. Big arm and big power, but it may not really translate. He has a nice ceiling, but we all know not every player gets there. 

[mvp 78]

56 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Bregman will cost more than Alfonso, but for good reason. He plays very good defense.

My worry is the talk of playing him at 2B. I'd rather have Alonso, if that is the plan. Just play Campbell at 2B and use Bregman's money, elsewhere- like on a pitcher or two.

I'd rather Christian Walker. Good offense and good defense at 1B. Should be much cheaper than those two as well. 

[Hugh2]

I can see a path forward where this is a really good trade for the Red Sox, or a very good trade for the White Sox, and possibly a horrible trade for us as well. 

No fair trade isn't going to look like that. 

Montgomery could turn into a perennial all star, with plus defense and monster power, Kyle Teel could turn into an all star catcher, both could happen and Crochet could never have a season as good as his 2024 and the Sox are going to look f***ing stupid for this trade.  All prospects could bust.

Garret Crochet also has the level of talent, where he could be the best pitcher in all of baseball.  That's exciting.  It's a risk, but so is everything else. 

I'm all about spreading around risk.  You develop some guys and bring them up into the majors, you trade for some you proven MLB talent at other times, and SOMETIMES YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT IN FREE AGENCY AND PAY SOMEONE!!!!

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I can see a path forward where this is a really good trade for the Red Sox, or a very good trade for the White Sox, and possibly a horrible trade for us as well. 

No fair trade isn't going to look like that. 

Montgomery could turn into a perennial all star, with plus defense and monster power, Kyle Teel could turn into an all star catcher, both could happen and Crochet could never have a season as good as his 2024 and the Sox are going to look f***ing stupid for this trade.  All prospects could bust.

Garret Crochet also has the level of talent, where he could be the best pitcher in all of baseball.  That's exciting.  It's a risk, but so is everything else. 

I'm all about spreading around risk.  You develop some guys and bring them up into the majors, you trade for some you proven MLB talent at other times, and SOMETIMES YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT IN FREE AGENCY AND PAY SOMEONE!!!!

Like I’ve said many times all of the Minor League players are nothing but Suspects till they come up, and produce in a Red Sox uniform, or are traded for someone who does. Reality doesn’t always live up to hype, and the Red Sox certainly play up the hype.

[moonslav59]

41 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think it will happen later in ST. 

IMO, you don't make a trade like this for 2 years of anybody. Of course, two is better than one, and history is full of examples of major give aways for 1-2 years of good players, but we cannot let this happen, here.

I get the big risk involved with extensions, but this guy is just 25.

From Pedro to Schilling to Beckett to AGon to Porcello, our history shows we lock up the players we trade many prospects to get. I realize many of those extensions were long ago, and the MLB landscape has changed, alot since then, but I really think this needs to get done.

The bigger risk is trading away 5-6 years of control of 2-3 major prospects for just a two year window player.

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd rather Christian Walker. Good offense and good defense at 1B. Should be much cheaper than those two as well. 

If we get a decent pitcher for Casas, I'm okay with signing a RHB 1Bman with power.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If we get a decent pitcher for Casas, I'm okay with signing a RHB 1Bman with power.

Casas seems destined to be a DH anyway. 

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

IMO, you don't make a trade like this for 2 years of anybody. Of course, two is better than one, and history is full of examples of major give aways for 1-2 years of good players, but we cannot let this happen, here.

I get the big risk involved with extensions, but this guy is just 25.

From Pedro to Schilling to Beckett to AGon to Porcello, our history shows we lock up the players we trade many prospects to get. I realize many of those extensions were long ago, and the MLB landscape has changed, alot since then, but I really think this needs to get done.

The bigger risk is trading away 5-6 years of control of 2-3 major prospects for just a two year window player.

Doom scenario: he gets injured and misses most of his time over the next two seasons and leaves. 

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[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Casas seems destined to be a DH anyway. 

Yup, and IMO, Devers should be moved to 1B, yesterday.

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Doom scenario: he gets injured and misses most of his time over the next two seasons and leaves. 

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If that happens, so be it.

Anyone can get hurt, and I do think Crochet is more likely to get hurt than others, but we need to take the risk on the 25 year old. If the guy was 28-30, no.