Article: BREAKING: Red Sox Trade For White Sox Ace Garrett Crochet

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The Dodgers, and Yankees could keep up with the Mets, but I don’t believe JH would want to play that game.

That's stupid If John Henry was making fake bids and an agent caught on to it no agent would do business with him aga......OMG maybe this is why we can't sign anyone!!!!!

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

PR, or lack of PR is not JH strong suit on how he conducts business.

PR is not, but he's not stupid, he's actually a rather good business man. 

 

I firmly believe he is NOT making disingenuous offers, I just believe he's cheap when it comes to premium baseball players. 

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Just because YOU prefer Fried doesn’t mean he has the better future.  Crochet might flop, but the risk is much less.  Sign Fried for 8 years at $220+ mill and if he turns into David Price 2.0, where does that leave the Sox?  Still needing pitching with a lot less to spend on it.  But hey, maybe Breslow can pair him up in a trade with Roman Anthony in hopes that some other team takes on half of that contract!

Also, why is Crochet with one good season a flash in the pan, but Teel with no seasons at all suddenly the “catcher of the future”?  

What I PREFER is not giving away our future for the sake of penny pinching. Henry has claimed that we’ll be spending this year up to and maybe over the LT. Teel could flame out for us but now that’s not possible. We traded him to the WS so we didn’t have to pay Fried. 
If they open their purses and pay for a good RHB and a good SP without trading away more prospects I’ll admit I’m wrong about ownership. Until then I’ll believe it when I see it.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

PR is not, but he's not stupid, he's actually a rather good business man. 

 

I firmly believe he is NOT making disingenuous offers, I just believe he's cheap when it comes to premium baseball players. 

He really isn’t, sadly enough. Especially when compared to other owners.  

I mean, you’re calling a guy cheaper because he was outbid after putting up SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.  In one bid for one player.  How many full season payrolls spread across multiple years do you have to add up from the Pirates to get to $700mill? Or the Reds?  Or As, Rays or Brewers?  

For all his penny-pinching, the Sox still had the 11th highest payroll in MLB.  Over half the teams spent even less. Hell the Nats non-tendered their ALL STAR CLOSER a couple weeks ago because they didn’t want to pay him $4mil.  Now THAT is being cheap…

[Old Red]

34 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

PR is not, but he's not stupid, he's actually a rather good business man. 

 

I firmly believe he is NOT making disingenuous offers, I just believe he's cheap when it comes to premium baseball players. 

Well it’s worked on you, and gotten your approval, but I’m just the opposite. Like I said earlier I believe the Red Sox had 0% chance of getting the Yam Man, and, or Sto.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Has the finished product been completed yet? I don’t think so. Last year before the season even started you said the Red Sox wasn’t good enough even if they made the postseason so why bother. 

Did they make the postseason last year? I was also higher on them than you from what I remember. 

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

For all his penny-pinching, the Sox still had the 11th highest payroll in MLB.  Over half the teams spent even less. 

Yup, the Colorado Rockies of Boston, ladies and germs. 

[Old Red]

31 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

What I PREFER is not giving away our future for the sake of penny pinching. Henry has claimed that we’ll be spending this year up to and maybe over the LT. Teel could flame out for us but now that’s not possible. We traded him to the WS so we didn’t have to pay Fried. 
If they open their purses and pay for a good RHB and a good SP without trading away more prospects I’ll admit I’m wrong about ownership. Until then I’ll believe it when I see it.

No one knows if the future is going to be as bright as everyone has been salivating about since Mayer was picked after three teams passed on him, and he became the chosen one of the Red Sox. Now it seems Campbell, and Anthony have passed him in the hype, but none of these guys have produced Nothing yet in the bigs. There is certainly no guarantee they are all going to be Super Stars, and most likely all will not. Way to much hype put on all these suspects/prospects, and what the future could, or could not be. Fried was over paid for to long a time IMO.

[notin]

46 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

What I PREFER is not giving away our future for the sake of penny pinching. Henry has claimed that we’ll be spending this year up to and maybe over the LT. Teel could flame out for us but now that’s not possible. We traded him to the WS so we didn’t have to pay Fried. 
If they open their purses and pay for a good RHB and a good SP without trading away more prospects I’ll admit I’m wrong about ownership. Until then I’ll believe it when I see it.

Paying Fried got a lot less likely with the Yankees involved anyway.  The Sox can’t outspend the Yankees, but they can put together better prospect packages…

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I could seen a short extension like maybe 3 years, but not a long one with FA, and the possibility of a lot more money out there on the horizon, and an opt out like with Bogey would be there if on anything longer.

He’s under contract for 3 more years so a three year extension would be a 6 year deal.  Certainly possible 

[Hugh2]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Well it’s worked on you, and gotten your approval, but I’m just the opposite. Like I said earlier I believe the Red Sox had 0% chance of getting the Yam Man, and, or Sto.

Worked on me? It’s not a matter of my approval.  They didn’t win anything, all I’m saying is I don’t believe in fake offers.  That’s some conspiracy theory stuff

[notin]

17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yup, the Colorado Rockies of Boston, ladies and germs. 

I live in White Sox/Cubs country.  It’s hard to cry “cheap ownership” to those fans.

 

But I will say, far too often when fans call any owner cheap, they’re only referring to new money spent this year…

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Paying Fried got a lot less likely with the Yankees involved anyway.  The Sox can’t outspend the Yankees, but they can put together better prospect packages…

With the CBT in place, the Red Sox could certainly outspend the Yankees. They've done so many times. This isn't 1999. 

[Hugh2]

48 minutes ago, notin said:

He really isn’t, sadly enough. Especially when compared to other owners.  

I mean, you’re calling a guy cheaper because he was outbid after putting up SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.  In one bid for one player.  How many full season payrolls spread across multiple years do you have to add up from the Pirates to get to $700mill? Or the Reds?  Or As, Rays or Brewers?  

For all his penny-pinching, the Sox still had the 11th highest payroll in MLB.  Over half the teams spent even less. Hell the Nats non-tendered their ALL STAR CLOSER a couple weeks ago because they didn’t want to pay him $4mil.  Now THAT is being cheap…

Yeah, I’ve made that same exact argument, that’s they’re not cheap, it was a lazy argument in my part.

when it comes to playing at the top of the free agent market the Red Sox are cheap.  
 

what teams play in the deep end of the pool? Philly? Texas? LA? The NY teams? How have they fared in October since Henry decided to be a big baller in the kiddie pool?

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

I live in White Sox/Cubs country.  It’s hard to cry “cheap ownership” to those fans.

 

But I will say, far too often when fans call any owner cheap, they’re only referring to new money spent this year…

So far, the Sox payroll is still LOWER than last year. It remains to be seen where it ends up. I highly doubt it gets close to the 2nd CBT threshold where some people were starting to project it.

[mvp 78]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

it was a lazy argument in my part.

You cave too quickly friend. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I could seen a short extension like maybe 3 years, but not a long one with FA, and the possibility of a lot more money out there on the horizon, and an opt out like with Bogey would be there if on anything longer.

Last year, Crochet was very open to an extension after a trade.  I think he’ll get one.  No idea on money/ years…

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Did they make the postseason last year? I was also higher on them than you from what I remember. 

I was one of the few who didn’t buy into the Full Throttle scheme, and then spend all offseason crying sham, sham, sham and blasting everyone from JH on down. I kept saying let’s wait until March 28 to see how things looked. I said before the offseason even started that I didn’t expect the Red Sox would sign any high priced FA to any long term contracts, and would trade some suspects for some pitching, so I was a year off. You said it wasn’t worth making the postseason, because they wasn’t good enough, and I’ll repeat again that I think most Red Sox fans would take making the postseason rather they did anything, or not, and would not say what’s the sense like you did. On to 2025. The here, and now.

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Last year, Crochet was very open to an extension after a trade.  I think he’ll get one.  No idea on money/ years…

I’d be wager (wink wink) it will either buy out his arb years and tack on two more OR it will have several more years, lower AAV but an opt out.

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You cave too quickly friend. 

I didn’t concede an argument, only admitted it could have been worded differently.  
 

fact is the Red Sox do not shop at the top of the free agent market and haven’t for some time. 
 

those are the facts! And the facts are…..I won’t do that to you guys

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

He’s under contract for 3 more years so a three year extension would be a 6 year deal.  Certainly possible 

How did you get to 3 years for Crochett? 

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Worked on me? It’s not a matter of my approval.  They didn’t win anything, all I’m saying is I don’t believe in fake offers.  That’s some conspiracy theory stuff

I never said they were fake, but I’ll still stick to my belief that the Red Sox knew they wouldn’t outbid the Big Boys from NY, or the Dodgers. Only for Masa did they do that.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I was one of the few who didn’t buy into the Full Throttle scheme, and then spend all offseason crying sham, sham, sham and blasting everyone from JH on down. I kept saying let’s wait until March 28 to see how things looked. I said before the offseason even started that I didn’t expect the Red Sox would sign any high priced FA to any long term contracts, and would trade some suspects for some pitching, so I was a year off. You said it wasn’t worth making the postseason, because they wasn’t good enough, and I’ll repeat again that I think most Red Sox fans would take making the postseason rather they did anything, or not, and would not say what’s the sense like you did. On to 2025. The here, and now.

Most Red Sox fans are idiots and not titans of business like me. 💸🏢🛥️💃

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

He’s under contract for 3 more years so a three year extension would be a 6 year deal.  Certainly possible 

Wow! If they offered him a three year contract it would buy out his 2 arb years left, and one additional year. There is NO six years to that at All.

[Hugh2]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How did you get to 3 years for Crochett? 

I’m mixing up Crochet and Alcantara.  I blame Notin 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Most Red Sox fans are idiots and not titans of business like me. 💸🏢🛥️💃

Wow! 🙈🤭🤫

[Hugh2]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Wow! If they offered him a three year contract it would buy out his 2 arb years left, and one additional year. There is NO six years to that at All.

Yeah, so that’s a 5 year contract, is what I meant.  I was assuming you were counting his team control years and taking on 3, so that’s 5 not 6.

 

i don’t think he will sign an extension only giving him one more year.  Mine as well just go to FA.  But who knows, maybe he will.  That still allows him to get another big payday.  I’d rather lock him up for a few more years.  

[mvp 78]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

I’m mixing up Crochet and Alcantara.  I blame Notin 

It's ok.

[moonslav59]

I am near certain, we try to extend Crochet, but he has to agree, AND more importantly, we have to offer something fair- something we often do, shortly after trading for someone, but not as often for long time Sox stars.

Pedro was extended shortly after the trade.

The Schilling trade included an agreed upon extension. (We later gave him $8M for one wasted year.)

Beckett was extended. (Was extended a second time in 2010) I think Lowell was extended, too, but not right away.

AGon was extended.

Porcello was extended.

Others with longer years of control when acquired were eventually extended, too, like  Sale.

We wish we would have extended Adrian Beltre.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I am near certain, we try to extend Crochet, but he has to agree, AND more importantly, we have to offer something fair- something we often do, shortly after trading for someone, but not as often for long time Sox stars.

Pedro was extended shortly after the trade.

The Schilling trade included an agreed upon extension. (We later gave him $8M for one wasted year.)

Beckett was extended. (Was extended a second time in 2010) I think Lowell was extended, too, but not right away.

AGon was extended.

Porcello was extended.

Others with longer years of control when acquired were eventually extended, too, like  Sale.

We wish we would have extended Adrian Beltre.

The bottom line is much analysis went into making the trade for Crochet, giving up 4 prospects including Teel. 

It would be difficult for me to believe NOW the FO is cautious about extending this guy. As far as I'm concerned, JH jumped in with both feet when the trade happened. 

I would hope that we extend the guy. Obviously there's never a sure thing but by trading away 4 good prospects, our front office has shown its hand.