Trades?

[Bellhorn04]

Why? Isn't it more likely that the Astros just end up outlasting everyone else and winning that dumb division? The current 3rd WC spot is on pace for 90 wins. Don't think the Rangers can sneak in their with 84 this year.

 

They're 4 games back of the division lead in the loss column. Much larger deficits have been overcome in much less time.

 

The big thing is all their pitchers coming back.

 

Plus I think Bochy is a phenomenal manager.

 

Just something to watch.

[mvp 78]

They're 4 games back of the division lead in the loss column. Much larger deficits have been overcome in much less time.

 

The big thing is all their pitchers coming back.

 

Plus I think Bochy is a phenomenal manager.

 

Just something to watch.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible, just saying it's not surprising they are having a WS hangover.

[Hugh2]

They're 4 games back of the division lead in the loss column. Much larger deficits have been overcome in much less time.

 

The big thing is all their pitchers coming back.

 

Plus I think Bochy is a phenomenal manager.

 

Just something to watch.

 

By this logic most teams are in it and most teams will be buyers or at least not sellers.

 

I’m not saying you’re wrong and I am right, but if you have the 8th worse record in baseball, then unless things turn around in the next two weeks you have to at least consider selling.

 

Regardless, this conversation highlights a very important point. This is EXACTLY why trade deadline deals typically happen closer to the deadline. Most teams in Texas like territory are still trying to figure out if they’re buyers or sellers.

 

People often are critical of trades not being swung in June, the first week of July or sooner. Well this is why…….teams that are sellers aren’t sellers yet.

[mvp 78]

The new format makes more teams buyers than sellers in theory. If a team just below .500 thinks an addition or two can get them to the 3rd WC, they may now become a buyer. It has really turned the trade deadline into a massive sellers market.

[Old Red]

The new format makes more teams buyers than sellers in theory. If a team just below .500 thinks an addition or two can get them to the 3rd WC, they may now become a buyer. It has really turned the trade deadline into a massive sellers market.

 

There is no way to know, but it’s possible that had been buyers the last two years instead of mostly sitting on the outside looking in the Red Sox May be in better shape today. Yes it’s also possible the other way also. No moves ever have to be just rentals like Flintstone Schwarber was.

[notin]

The new format makes more teams buyers than sellers in theory. If a team just below .500 thinks an addition or two can get them to the 3rd WC, they may now become a buyer. It has really turned the trade deadline into a massive sellers market.

 

What could get interesting if the buyers get more creative and fill gaps by dealing younger, less established players for each other to fill gaps. Like the Brandon Marsh/Logan O’Hoppe swap a couple years ago. You never saw deals like that in July before…

[notin]

They're 4 games back of the division lead in the loss column. Much larger deficits have been overcome in much less time.

 

The big thing is all their pitchers coming back.

 

Plus I think Bochy is a phenomenal manager.

 

Just something to watch.

 

 

Bochy has been immensely successful as a manager, but he has to be one of my least favorites. He’s the (sole?) reason for several rule changes because he made the Giants so unwatchable for many years…

[Bellhorn04]

By this logic most teams are in it and most teams will be buyers or at least not sellers.

 

I’m not saying you’re wrong and I am right, but if you have the 8th worse record in baseball, then unless things turn around in the next two weeks you have to at least consider selling.

 

I wouldn't be saying this except they just got Scherzer back and will soon be adding deGrom and Mahle.

 

These are some serious potential pitching upgrades.

[Bellhorn04]

Bochy has been immensely successful as a manager, but he has to be one of my least favorites. He’s the (sole?) reason for several rule changes because he made the Giants so unwatchable for many years…

 

Care to elaborate?

[notin]

Care to elaborate?

 

Bochy used the September call up rule to bring up every pitcher on his 40 man roster, and would then in tougher innings, replace pitchers after one hitter multiple times. You’d watch an inning for nearly a full hour and it would take a while for it to sink in that only 5 batters came up…

[Bellhorn04]

Bochy used the September call up rule to bring up every pitcher on his 40 man roster, and would then in tougher innings, replace pitchers after one hitter multiple times. You’d watch an inning for nearly a full hour and it would take a while for it to sink in that only 5 batters came up…

 

Sounds like he was just exploiting the rules.

 

I suspect Giants fans cared more about the 3 rings.

[mvp 78]

Bochy used the September call up rule to bring up every pitcher on his 40 man roster, and would then in tougher innings, replace pitchers after one hitter multiple times. You’d watch an inning for nearly a full hour and it would take a while for it to sink in that only 5 batters came up…

 

As a pain pig myself, I'd love a game like that now. Need to make sure the umps are calling a very exact zone even if the game is out of reach too.

[mvp 78]

Sounds like he was just exploiting the rules.

 

I suspect Giants fans cared more about the 3 rings.

 

Giants fans don't deserve nice things.

[notin]

Sounds like he was just exploiting the rules.

 

I suspect Giants fans cared more about the 3 rings.

 

I’m sure they loved the success, but 1) it did make Giants’ unwatchable, especially in September and 2) lead to multiple rule changes so that no one can ever act like him again…

[notin]

As a pain pig myself, I'd love a game like that now. Need to make sure the umps are calling a very exact zone even if the game is out of reach too.

 

Fine. It made for fun baseball if you liked the Giants, commercials, and masochistic self-abuse…

[mvp 78]

I’m sure they loved the success, but 1) it did make Giants’ unwatchable, especially in September and 2) lead to multiple rule changes so that no one can ever act like him again…

 

You could try complaining about Bochy's support of famed PED users Ken Caminiti and Barry Bonds while he managed both at the height of their powers.

[notin]

You could try complaining about Bochy's support of famed PED users Ken Caminiti and Barry Bonds while he managed both at the height of their powers.

 

He certainly had big names, but Bochy wasn’t unique in that manner.

 

Look away while players used steroids? Lots of guys did that. Make 4 pitching changes in multiple consecutive innings? He was alone on that island…

[Bellhorn04]

He certainly had big names, but Bochy wasn’t unique in that manner.

 

Look away while players used steroids? Lots of guys did that. Make 4 pitching changes in multiple consecutive innings? He was alone on that island…

 

You should like the 3 batter rule then, but you say you hate it.

[Maxbialystock]

You should like the 3 batter rule then, but you say you hate it.

 

I like the 3 batter rule because I got sick and tired of all the game delays so managers could pretend that they and only they are the key to winning games. And let's not forget the endless visits to the mound by pitching coach, manager, catcher, ball boy down the 1b line, et al. Plus all the gyrations on the mound and by the batters to change the timing of pitches. Before the fixes this year, MLB had degenerated into kabuki theater (which is fine in a theater and horrible on a baseball field).

[notin]

You should like the 3 batter rule then, but you say you hate it.

 

I hate the rule, but I also hate the exploitation that lead to it. It should have never come to that. It also could have been handled by eliminating/limiting September call ups (which was also done, thankfully)...

[Hugh2]

I wouldn't be saying this except they just got Scherzer back and will soon be adding deGrom and Mahle.

 

These are some serious potential pitching upgrades.

 

Yup, which is why you're right and I'am wrong. TODAY

 

But

 

in two weeks from now? We shall see.

 

I'll say this, to reiterate my point from before that I think are debate here highlights beautifully....this is exactly why teams don't sell early, and wait until up at the deadline.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Giants had a blah first half, and Bailey has a history with some arms out in San Fran.

 

What would it take to land Logan Webb, age 27, owed $82 million after this year... (besides, uh, Yankee ownership)?

 

Assuming Crochet will cost at least Mayer and/or Anthony, maybe adding Webb and his large contract would be less painful in the parting-with-prospects dept.

 

Not that SF would want to deal their ace, but Webb is the kind of guy the Red Sox need to target for the top of the rotation. In bb-ref's Similarity Scores, his #2 comp is Zac Gallen -- who beat reporters last year said is the kind of guy Boston needs to seek out.

 

Btw: #4 is Jack Flaherty, who is also Webb's #5 most similar through age 26; Flaherty keeps reappearing in my posts...

[Maxbialystock]

Just to clarify something. While I'm more than happy to defend JH's reluctance to spend big, especially on pitchers, largely because of the incompetence of his brain trust, I agree with Cora and just about everyone on talksox that this Sox team has potential to make the postseason and they could use some reinforcements, especially pitchers--a starter and maybe 1 or 2 relievers. A good righty bat would also help.

[moonslav59]

Just to clarify something. While I'm more than happy to defend JH's reluctance to spend big, especially on pitchers, largely because of the incompetence of his brain trust, I agree with Cora and just about everyone on talksox that this Sox team has potential to make the postseason and they could use some reinforcements, especially pitchers--a starter and maybe 1 or 2 relievers. A good righty bat would also help.

 

I’m not defending Sox GMs for their pitching choices, but not every choice that fails should be called “incompetence.”

[Duran Is The Man]

I’m not defending Sox GMs for their pitching choices, but not every choice that fails should be called “incompetence.”

 

Trevor Bauer would work for peanuts. not signing him is incompetence.

[notin]

Trevor Bauer would work for peanuts. not signing him is incompetence.

 

So… thirty incompetent teams?

 

He’s got some negative PR. Although we can watch Marcell Ozuna, who might carry more baggage, playing in the All Star game tomorrow…

[Duran Is The Man]

So… thirty incompetent teams?

 

He’s got some negative PR. Although we can watch Marcell Ozuna, who might carry more baggage, playing in the All Star game tomorrow…

 

well....i'm not sure every team really needs pitching but yeah.

[notin]

well....i'm not sure every team really needs pitching but yeah.

 

There isn’ta team out there whose starting rotation wouldn’t be upgraded with the addition of a former Cy Young winner…

[moonslav59]

There isn’ta team out there whose starting rotation wouldn’t be upgraded with the addition of a former Cy Young winner…

 

At worst, he’s better than30 number 13’s on each staff.

[Randy Red Sox]

I’m not defending Sox GMs for their pitching choices, but not every choice that fails should be called “incompetence.”

 

I just saw that Noah Syndergaard is planning a comeback in 2025. Perfectly fits the criteria of guys Sox like to sign. 1 year deal for under 10 million.