Trades?

[moonslav59]

Breslow did an interview within the last week. I don't have a link, but it is on YouTube somewhere and he mentioned Grissom a few times. My take is that he expects Grissom to return this year and contribute. Accordingly, I don't think the Red Sox are pursuing a 2b--I think they are content with Hamilton until Grissom returns.

 

I doubt we do anything major with everyday players, unless we lose faith in a Casas or Grissom return.

 

I do think we may do a mid level deal for a RHd 2Bman, SS or 1Bman.

 

Any major or near major deal should be for a SPer.

 

While the D at 2B/SS has been and still is bad, our O has been decent since about June1st for Raphael’s, Romy. Valdez and DHam.

 

I think a Rez rolls the current dice at 2B.

 

Maybe he trades a LHd OFer for a RHd OF or middle IFer.

 

We need pitching first.

 

[notin]

Breslow did an interview within the last week. I don't have a link, but it is on YouTube somewhere and he mentioned Grissom a few times. My take is that he expects Grissom to return this year and contribute. Accordingly, I don't think the Red Sox are pursuing a 2b--I think they are content with Hamilton until Grissom returns.

 

At the rate Campbell is getting promoted and embarrassing AA pitchers, maybe he is able to answer the call before Grissom…

[moonslav59]

At the rate Campbell is getting promoted and embarrassing AA pitchers, maybe he is able to answer the call before Grissom…

 

I think we see Valdez again.

[notin]

I think we see Valdez again.

 

I hope they simply use Hamilton and Romy in a platoon. And at some point, msybe Grissom comes back.

 

Unless they really like Andy Ibanez and can get him from Detroit…

[MADSTORK]

LMAO!

The pink hat crew is in rare form on the trade deadline thread!

 

It’s a youth movement and the youth is on the verge of making an impact. To think Henry hired Breezelow to make a deadline deal with any impact is delusional. Breezelow is keeping the seat warm for Epstein when he takes over baseball ops next winter

 

Who’s the clown who just said trade Teel, is it the same clown who said trade Mayer last deadline cus he was hitting .205? How’s that looking now genius?

 

If Henry is paying attention, you dump the “beer leaguer over achievers” (see Hamilton) for Pitching depth which again is an Organizational dumpster fire. Outside of one or two young sp prospects in the lower system, Crockett again hasn’t developed any but that’s another discussion

Case and point tonight with a beer leaguer from Detroit on the mound you lose!

 

After KC loss 16 28 vs Teams with a 500 or better record, you might be knocking on the playoff door but the Championship door is welded shut

 

Yorke to 2B after break

Mayer to SS in September Rafaela to CF

Anthony September call up

BJordan 1B Casas into DH role in September

Teel

Mata starting rotation see what you got

Activate Grissom and send him to AAA for further development

 

Take calls on O’Neill Yoshida Pivetta Janzen see who will overpay for developmental Pitching

 

Those are the facts and the The facts are undisputed !

[Maxbialystock]

I doubt we do anything major with everyday players, unless we lose faith in a Casas or Grissom return.

 

I do think we may do a mid level deal for a RHd 2Bman, SS or 1Bman.

 

Any major or near major deal should be for a SPer.

 

While the D at 2B/SS has been and still is bad, our O has been decent since about June1st for Raphael’s, Romy. Valdez and DHam.

 

I think a Rez rolls the current dice at 2B.

 

Maybe he trades a LHd OFer for a RHd OF or middle IFer.

 

We need pitching first.

 

 

I have my doubts about Casas's return, but no hard evidence he won't.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Teel, Lugo, and Jordan OR Romero to Blue Jays for Guerrero and Bassitt OR Gausman OR Berrios

[moonslav59]

Teel, Lugo, and Jordan OR Romero to Blue Jays for Guerrero and Bassitt OR Gausman OR Berrios

 

They all cost too much for JH to accept, and only Berrios is under control beyond 2025.

 

Throw in Yoshida and maybe…

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Yusei Kikuchi is another Blue Jays starter to consider, a free agent at the end of the season. Not great, but would give the Red Sox some SP depth. Obviously, the key piece/acquisition would be Guererro.

 

Gausman is interesting in that he has been a quality starter in the past but is having a down year. Can the Red Sox figure out a way to get more out of him? The Blue Jays would probably like to move on from Gausman, since he will make 23 million next year and 23 million in 2026. Taking on Gausman would probably reduce Guererro's trade value since the Blue Jays would like to dump the contract. Bassitt is the more attractive SP option for Boston--he is having a better year than Gausman and is only signed for one more season.

 

Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Bassitt, and a relief pitcher?

 

The cheaper route for the Red Sox would be Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Kikuchi (free agent at the end of the season), and a relief pitcher.

 

It is hard to know which Blue Jays starter would be most appealing to Breslow. He seems to have particular preferences, but I don't know what they are.

Edited July 13, 2024 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

Yusei Kikuchi is another Blue Jays starter to consider, a free agent at the end of the season. Not great, but would give the Red Sox some SP depth. Obviously, the key piece/acquisition would be Guererro.

 

Gausman is interesting in that he has been a quality starter in the past but is having a down year. Can the Red Sox figure out a way to get more out of him? The Blue Jays would probably like to move on from Gausman, since he will make 23 million next year and 23 million in 2026. Taking on Gausman would probably reduce Guererro's trade value since the Blue Jays would like to dump the contract. Bassitt is the more attractive SP option for Boston--he is having a better year than Gausman and is only signed for one more season.

 

Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Bassitt, and a relief pitcher?

 

The cheaper route for the Red Sox would be Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Kikuchi (free agent at the end of the season), and a relief pitcher.

 

It is hard to know which Blue Jays starter would be most appealing to Breslow. He seems to have particular preferences, but I don't know what they are.

 

Brez is not the one who decides on adding $30M+ to the budget.

 

He’d have to get TOR to take Yoshida or Story for the money to be acceptable to JH.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yusei Kikuchi is another Blue Jays starter to consider, a free agent at the end of the season. Not great, but would give the Red Sox some SP depth. Obviously, the key piece/acquisition would be Guererro.

 

Gausman is interesting in that he has been a quality starter in the past but is having a down year. Can the Red Sox figure out a way to get more out of him? The Blue Jays would probably like to move on from Gausman, since he will make 23 million next year and 23 million in 2026. Taking on Gausman would probably reduce Guererro's trade value since the Blue Jays would like to dump the contract. Bassitt is the more attractive SP option for Boston--he is having a better year than Gausman and is only signed for one more season.

 

Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Bassitt, and a relief pitcher?

 

The cheaper route for the Red Sox would be Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Kikuchi (free agent at the end of the season), and a relief pitcher.

 

It is hard to know which Blue Jays starter would be most appealing to Breslow. He seems to have particular preferences, but I don't know what they are.

 

Good job on the proposals. I wanted every one of the pitchers you listed to join the Sox before the Jays paid what it took to land them.

 

I just can't get include Teel in a deal, because potential star catchers are so rare. I know Wong is improved, but this may also be his peak...

 

Instead, I'd have to include Mayer -- but only if Vlad is part of the return. It's ironic, that every year I've been on this board, posters have advocated drafting the best player available -- invariably a shortstop (the position the best amateurs always play) -- and it's ok to stockpile a surplus, because you "can always trade them for pitching."

 

The Red Sox keep drafting and signing middle infielders... and yet, never trade them for pitching.

[moonslav59]

Good job on the proposals. I wanted every one of the pitchers you listed to join the Sox before the Jays paid what it took to land them.

 

I just can't get include Teel in a deal, because potential star catchers are so rare. I know Wong is improved, but this may also be his peak...

 

Instead, I'd have to include Mayer -- but only if Vlad is part of the return. It's ironic, that every year I've been on this board, posters have advocated drafting the best player available -- invariably a shortstop (the position the best amateurs always play) -- and it's ok to stockpile a surplus, because you "can always trade them for pitching."

 

The Red Sox keep drafting and signing middle infielders... and yet, never trade them for pitching.

 

Trade for pitching, not Vladdy.

[moonslav59]

Top Sox OPS since1967 (1000+ PAs)

.999 Manny R

.956 Ortiz L

.936 Vaughn L

.923 Nomar R

.902 Lynn L

.895 AGon L

.893 Betts R

.890 Boggs L

 

JD, Youk, Everett, Jefferson, Stanley, Devers

Rice, Mueller, Carbo, Yaz, Nixon, Evans, Fisk

Greenwell, Daubach, Smith, Drew, Valentin, Easter

All at .815 and above.

 

 

 

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Trade for pitching, not Vladdy.

 

The trade proposal was for both -- RHH bench guys, even with good splits, just aren't enough vs. a tough lefty like Ragans, as we saw last night.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I just can't get include Teel in a deal, because potential star catchers are so rare. I know Wong is improved, but this may also be his peak...

I'm not thrilled about moving Teel. But I think it is possible that, in two years, J.Garcia can be where Teel is now as a prospect. In the meantime, Wong can hold down the position at the major level for a few seasons and then in two years Garcia will begin knocking at the door.

[notin]

Yusei Kikuchi is another Blue Jays starter to consider, a free agent at the end of the season. Not great, but would give the Red Sox some SP depth. Obviously, the key piece/acquisition would be Guererro.

 

Gausman is interesting in that he has been a quality starter in the past but is having a down year. Can the Red Sox figure out a way to get more out of him? The Blue Jays would probably like to move on from Gausman, since he will make 23 million next year and 23 million in 2026. Taking on Gausman would probably reduce Guererro's trade value since the Blue Jays would like to dump the contract. Bassitt is the more attractive SP option for Boston--he is having a better year than Gausman and is only signed for one more season.

 

Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Bassitt, and a relief pitcher?

 

The cheaper route for the Red Sox would be Teel, Lugo, Jordan, and Romero for Guererro, Kikuchi (free agent at the end of the season), and a relief pitcher.

 

It is hard to know which Blue Jays starter would be most appealing to Breslow. He seems to have particular preferences, but I don't know what they are.

 

Bassitt might be more appealing to some, but Gausman really had his best years working with Bailey…

[Hugh2]

I bet Jordan Montgomery could be had for no prospects

[Randy Red Sox]

I bet Jordan Montgomery could be had for no prospects

 

don't tell Moon that

[Randy Red Sox]

They all cost too much for JH to accept, and only Berrios is under control beyond 2025.

 

Throw in Yoshida and maybe…

 

i don't see an division anything near this level

[Randy Red Sox]

They all cost too much for JH to accept, and only Berrios is under control beyond 2025.

 

Throw in Yoshida and maybe…

 

i don't see an division trade anything near this level

[Bellhorn04]

I bet Jordan Montgomery could be had for no prospects

 

How quickly the value of player assets can depreciate-or appreciate. If Montgomery returned from the IL and pitched 2 good games in a row, his value would shoot right back up.

[Randy Red Sox]

LMAO!

The pink hat crew is in rare form on the trade deadline thread!

 

It’s a youth movement and the youth is on the verge of making an impact. To think Henry hired Breezelow to make a deadline deal with any impact is delusional. Breezelow is keeping the seat warm for Epstein when he takes over baseball ops next winter

 

Who’s the clown who just said trade Teel, is it the same clown who said trade Mayer last deadline cus he was hitting .205? How’s that looking now genius?

 

If Henry is paying attention, you dump the “beer leaguer over achievers” (see Hamilton) for Pitching depth which again is an Organizational dumpster fire. Outside of one or two young sp prospects in the lower system, Crockett again hasn’t developed any but that’s another discussion

Case and point tonight with a beer leaguer from Detroit on the mound you lose!

 

After KC loss 16 28 vs Teams with a 500 or better record, you might be knocking on the playoff door but the Championship door is welded shut

 

Yorke to 2B after break

Mayer to SS in September Rafaela to CF

Anthony September call up

BJordan 1B Casas into DH role in September

Teel

Mata starting rotation see what you got

Activate Grissom and send him to AAA for further development

 

Take calls on O’Neill Yoshida Pivetta Janzen see who will overpay for developmental Pitching

 

Those are the facts and the The facts are undisputed !

 

the facts undisputed are that Yorke and Jordan are NOT MLB players. The other fact is that Anthony is still too young and needs more time. Move him to AAA first. As for Teal with way he is performing there is no need to call him up yet unless it is in garbage time in Sept. I am fine with bringing Mayer up anytime. THOSE are the facts UNDISPUTED !!

[Randy Red Sox]

LMAO!

The pink hat crew is in rare form on the trade deadline thread!

 

It’s a youth movement and the youth is on the verge of making an impact. To think Henry hired Breezelow to make a deadline deal with any impact is delusional. Breezelow is keeping the seat warm for Epstein when he takes over baseball ops next winter

 

Who’s the clown who just said trade Teel, is it the same clown who said trade Mayer last deadline cus he was hitting .205? How’s that looking now genius?

 

If Henry is paying attention, you dump the “beer leaguer over achievers” (see Hamilton) for Pitching depth which again is an Organizational dumpster fire. Outside of one or two young sp prospects in the lower system, Crockett again hasn’t developed any but that’s another discussion

Case and point tonight with a beer leaguer from Detroit on the mound you lose!

 

After KC loss 16 28 vs Teams with a 500 or better record, you might be knocking on the playoff door but the Championship door is welded shut

 

Yorke to 2B after break

Mayer to SS in September Rafaela to CF

Anthony September call up

BJordan 1B Casas into DH role in September

Teel

Mata starting rotation see what you got

Activate Grissom and send him to AAA for further development

 

Take calls on O’Neill Yoshida Pivetta Janzen see who will overpay for developmental Pitching

 

Those are the facts and the The facts are undisputed !

 

the facts undisputed are that Yorke and Jordan are NOT MLB players. The other fact is that Anthony is still too young and needs more time. Move him to AAA first. As for Teal with way Wong is performing there is no need to call him up yet unless it is in garbage time in Sept. I am fine with bringing Mayer up anytime. THOSE are the facts UNDISPUTED !!

[Bellhorn04]

the facts undisputed are that Yorke and Jordan are NOT MLB players. The other fact is that Anthony is still too young and needs more time. Move him to AAA first. As for Teal with way he is performing there is no need to call him up yet unless it is in garbage time in Sept. I am fine with bringing Mayer up anytime. THOSE are the facts UNDISPUTED !!

 

MADSTORK is the board's resident troll. He's so much of a troll that he won't even disclose who his team is.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Something to mull: if paying Cora market value isn't in Red Sox longterm plans, then Breslow won't hesitate to trade Jansen, Pivetta and O'Neill by August 1... because, who cares if he pisses off a lame duck?

 

Boston has 14 more games before the deadline, can go .500, and be a few games ahead or behind a wild card spot... and the front office can still easily justify selling.

 

If someone offers Breslow a Cole Ragans for Jansen today, he'd jump all over it. Would you?

[Bellhorn04]

If someone offers Breslow a Cole Ragans for Jansen today, he'd jump all over it. Would you?

 

It's no simple question or answer. In hindsight the trade of Ragans for Chapman was sheer madness on the part of the Rangers. But Ragans's numbers with the Rangers were not good, and I have to assume their internal evaluation of him had slipped for some reason.

 

The 2023 Royals had no shot at the playoffs, so this isn't a parallel situation with trading Jansen.

 

My answer would be no for 2 reasons: 1) trading Jansen would infuriate Red Sox players and fans alike for good reason; 2) it's extremely unlikely the next Ragans is out there - we might not see such a lopsided deadline trade for a long time.

[Old Red]

Something to mull: if paying Cora market value isn't in Red Sox longterm plans, then Breslow won't hesitate to trade Jansen, Pivetta and O'Neill by August 1... because, who cares if he pisses off a lame duck?

 

Boston has 14 more games before the deadline, can go .500, and be a few games ahead or behind a wild card spot... and the front office can still easily justify selling.

 

If someone offers Breslow a Cole Ragans for Jansen today, he'd jump all over it. Would you?

 

Pissing off Cora is nowhere near as important as pissing off Raffy, and the rest of the players in that clubhouse.

[notin]

It's no simple question or answer. In hindsight the trade of Ragans for Chapman was sheer madness on the part of the Rangers. But Ragans's numbers with the Rangers were not good, and I have to assume their internal evaluation of him had slipped for some reason.

 

The 2023 Royals had no shot at the playoffs, so this isn't a parallel situation with trading Jansen.

 

My answer would be no for 2 reasons: 1) trading Jansen would infuriate Red Sox players and fans alike for good reason; 2) it's extremely unlikely the next Ragans is out there - we might not see such a lopsided deadline trade for a long time.

 

Just because they traded Ragans doesn’t mean they lost faith in him. Sometimes you have to pay the price and Ragans was clearly a guy KC targeted

[notin]

 

The 2023 Royals had no shot at the playoffs, so this isn't a parallel situation with trading Jansen.

 

My answer would be no for 2 reasons: 1) trading Jansen would infuriate Red Sox players and fans alike for good reason; 2) it's extremely unlikely the next Ragans is out there - we might not see such a lopsided deadline trade for a long time.

 

 

To paraphrase this multi-faceted question - what would be a bigger help in getting the 2024 Red Sox into the postseason? Jansen? Or a pitcher like Ragans?

 

Certainly the Sox absolutely need starting pitching. Jansen has been solid in his bullpen role, but some folks on the Sox apparently think Liam Hendriks might return this year.

[Old Red]

To paraphrase this multi-faceted question - what would be a bigger help in getting the 2024 Red Sox into the postseason? Jansen? Or a pitcher like Ragans?

 

Certainly the Sox absolutely need starting pitching. Jansen has been solid in his bullpen role, but some folks on the Sox apparently think Liam Hendriks might return this year.

 

Might return isn’t good enough. The Red Sox need Jansen Now. Of course they need at least one more solid starter also.