Trades?

[Deja Doh]

If you were Breslow, which player(s) would you trade for this year?

 

Mike Trout - has no trade, signed through 2030 (38)

Pete Alonso - FA

Alex Bregman - FA (partial no trade)

Paul Goldschmidt - FA (no trade)

 

Trout seems to be going no where with that $200 mil still owed, but he would be a get and would be perfect for Fenway (if we could unload Story as part of the deal). He hasn't been healthy for 5 years. Could a change of scenery improve that. Probably.

 

Alonso has a perfect swing for Fenway. The Mets could unload him.

 

Bregman has a nice career OBP. He's a solid hitter. He's 30. Similar OPS as Devers.

 

Goldschmidt is another solid player at 36. He could play 3 more years.

 

And while need help at 2nd and SS and OF, the team is rudderless.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm going with zero, as part of my new policy of realistic expectations.

[moonslav59]

If you were Breslow, which player(s) would you trade for this year?

 

Mike Trout - has no trade, signed through 2030 (38)

Pete Alonso - FA

Alex Bregman - FA (partial no trade)

Paul Goldschmidt - FA (no trade)

 

Trout seems to be going no where with that $200 mil still owed, but he would be a get and would be perfect for Fenway (if we could unload Story as part of the deal). He hasn't been healthy for 5 years. Could a change of scenery improve that. Probably.

 

Alonso has a perfect swing for Fenway. The Mets could unload him.

 

Bregman has a nice career OBP. He's a solid hitter. He's 30. Similar OPS as Devers.

 

Goldschmidt is another solid player at 36. He could play 3 more years.

 

And while need help at 2nd and SS and OF, the team is rudderless.

 

Even if we are buyers, none of these names are even close to a target I'd want.

 

Also, OF, 3B, 1B and DH are not our high need areas, even as jsut rentals.

 

We need SP'ers and middle IF'ers.

 

More likely, we sell.

[mvp 78]

If you were Breslow, which player(s) would you trade for this year?

 

Mike Trout - has no trade, signed through 2030 (38)

Pete Alonso - FA

Alex Bregman - FA (partial no trade)

Paul Goldschmidt - FA (no trade)

 

Trout seems to be going no where with that $200 mil still owed, but he would be a get and would be perfect for Fenway (if we could unload Story as part of the deal). He hasn't been healthy for 5 years. Could a change of scenery improve that. Probably.

 

Alonso has a perfect swing for Fenway. The Mets could unload him.

 

Bregman has a nice career OBP. He's a solid hitter. He's 30. Similar OPS as Devers.

 

Goldschmidt is another solid player at 36. He could play 3 more years.

 

And while need help at 2nd and SS and OF, the team is rudderless.

 

None of the above.

[mvp 78]

I reach out to the Jays and see what they would want for Bassitt. He's only under control through next season unlike Gausman, so a short term guy that's not going to help a rebuilding squad.

 

Kick the tires on a Luis Robert deal.

 

See if LAA will sell low on Drury for the year.

[notin]

I reach out to the Jays and see what they would want for Bassitt. He's only under control through next season unlike Gausman, so a short term guy that's not going to help a rebuilding squad.

 

Kick the tires on a Luis Robert deal.

 

See if LAA will sell low on Drury for the year.

 

Brandon Drury and his .470 OPS seems like more of the same. A shortstop makes more sense while letting Hamilton and/or Grissom play 2b…

[mvp 78]

Brandon Drury and his .470 OPS seems like more of the same. A shortstop makes more sense while letting Hamilton and/or Grissom play 2b…

 

WOBA 215

XWOBA 299

BABIP 207

 

I think there's a bit of bad luck there and we've seen him turn it on in the past. It's just for the rest of the year and it's why I said "buy low."

Edited June 10, 2024 by mvp 78

[notin]

WOBA 215

XWOBA 299

BABIP 207

 

I think there's a bit of bad luck there and we've seen him turn it on in the past. It's just for the rest of the year and it's why I said "buy low."

 

With LD/GB/FB splits of 18.1%/59%/22.9%, I agree a BABIP of .207 is very unlucky…

[notin]

WOBA 215

XWOBA 299

BABIP 207

 

I think there's a bit of bad luck there and we've seen him turn it on in the past. It's just for the rest of the year and it's why I said "buy low."

 

 

Rather than look into Drury, what about the recently DFAd Cavan Biggio?

[mvp 78]

Rather than look into Drury, what about the recently DFAd Cavan Biggio?

 

I'd take him on a waiver claim for sure.

[mvp 78]

If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Drury.

[notin]

If I had to choose between the two, I'd take Drury.

 

Pros and cons to each.

 

Drury is normally the better player, however.

 

But if I’m want to improve the middle infield for the Sox, I’m not looking for a 2b…

[moonslav59]

What can we realistically get for Pivetta & Jansen?

 

We could maybe add O'Neill and Martin, if they are showing value, or even McGuire, if a team needs a catcher or back-up catcher.

 

Maybe a package of Pivetta, Jansen and McGuire can get us a decent ML ready prospect or two.

[mvp 78]

Pros and cons to each.

 

Drury is normally the better player, however.

 

But if I’m want to improve the middle infield for the Sox, I’m not looking for a 2b…

 

Biggio only has 1 MLB inning at SS. He's really a 2B/3B/corner OF.

[mvp 78]

Also, Biggio is LHB.

[mvp 78]

What can we realistically get for Pivetta & Jansen?

 

We could maybe add O'Neill and Martin, if they are showing value, or even McGuire, if a team needs a catcher or back-up catcher.

 

Maybe a package of Pivetta, Jansen and McGuire can get us a decent ML ready prospect or two.

 

Pivetta: minor league arms, 15-20 on a team's prospect list maybe. Jansen: less than Pivetta, maybe one arm or minor league everyday guy or young MLB reliever with upside.

[moonslav59]

Pivetta: minor league arms, 15-20 on a team's prospect list maybe. Jansen: less than Pivetta, maybe one arm or minor league everyday guy or young MLB reliever with upside.

 

I think more. Look what we got for Vaz.

 

Of course, I'm assuming both Pivetta & Jansen continue doing well and stay healthy.

 

I think Pivetta gets us 4-7 prospect, depending on how good the farm is.

I think Jansen gets about the same, especially if a team is desperate for a closer.

 

O'Neill and Martin might not get much, unless they inpressin the next 6-7 weeks.

[mvp 78]

I think more. Look what we got for Vaz.

 

Of course, I'm assuming both Pivetta & Jansen continue doing well and stay healthy.

 

I think Pivetta gets us 4-7 prospect, depending on how good the farm is.

I think Jansen gets about the same, especially if a team is desperate for a closer.

 

O'Neill and Martin might not get much, unless they inpressin the next 6-7 weeks.

 

For Vaz, we got two guys ranked in the 20's on another team's prospect list. They wanted a starting catcher as they headed towards a World Series push. There's no way Jansen gets a top 5 prospect. I'm very dubious Pivetta would either. If I'm the Sox, I'd rather take a 12 and a 14 from a team for Pivetta than get a 6 or 7.

[moonslav59]

For Vaz, we got two guys ranked in the 20's on another team's prospect list. They wanted a starting catcher as they headed towards a World Series push. There's no way Jansen gets a top 5 prospect. I'm very dubious Pivetta would either. If I'm the Sox, I'd rather take a 12 and a 14 from a team for Pivetta than get a 6 or 7.

 

Top 7 prospects on many contenders is not all that good.

 

BTW, BA had Valdez 12 and Abreu 21, but some felt Abreu was the better prospect. (I'm not asking for 2 prospects.)

 

BTW, Vaz was not their starting catcher after the trade.

[mvp 78]

Top 7 prospects on many contenders is not all that good.

 

BTW, BA had Valdez 12 and Abreu 21, but some felt Abreu was the better prospect. (I'm not asking for 2 prospects.)

 

BTW, Vaz was not their starting catcher after the trade.

 

The GM wanted him to be the starting catcher. The manager disagreed and wanted to stick with Maldonado (0.4 bWAR vs Vaz 2.1 bWAR with Red Sox that year). The disagreement was part of a public dispute which in turn helped lead the GM out the door in the offseason. Owner was squashing trades and the manager was not playing acquired players. Click decided he wanted no part of Astros culture.

 

After the trade, Vaz had 108 PA's, Maldonado had 114.

[moonslav59]

The GM wanted him to be the starting catcher. The manager disagreed and wanted to stick with Maldonado (0.4 bWAR vs Vaz 2.1 bWAR with Red Sox that year). The disagreement was part of a public dispute which in turn helped lead the GM out the door in the offseason. Owner was squashing trades and the manager was not playing acquired players. Click decided he wanted no part of Astros culture.

 

After the trade, Vaz had 108 PA's, Maldonado had 114.

 

Those 108 included 8 PAs as a PH and 4 as a DH.

 

GMs wishes aside, he was not really the starting Catcher.

[Randy Red Sox]

Even if we are buyers, none of these names are even close to a target I'd want.

 

Also, OF, 3B, 1B and DH are not our high need areas, even as jsut rentals.

 

We need SP'ers and middle IF'ers.

 

More likely, we sell.

 

more likely we stand pat as we are still in contention

[Randy Red Sox]

Biggio only has 1 MLB inning at SS. He's really a 2B/3B/corner OF.

 

Biggio is better than what we are using at 2b right now. the price for him is about right for Henry

[dgalehouse]

I always liked Christian Vazquez. He is a good, solid catcher from the Molina school of catching. Always known as a really good teammate. He also is a winner. A guy who is an asset to his team. I think his teammates and fans were more upset about the way his trade was handled than they were about the actual deal.

[moonslav59]

I always liked Christian Vazquez. He is a good, solid catcher from the Molina school of catching. Always known as a really good teammate. He also is a winner. A guy who is an asset to his team. I think his teammates and fans were more upset about the way his trade was handled than they were about the actual deal.

 

The notification of the trade was indeed a fiasco.

 

We traded him at the right time. He was about to decline.

 

His numbers with pitchers, when compared to his back-up, were worrisome, to say the least.

[Randy Red Sox]

For Vaz, we got two guys ranked in the 20's on another team's prospect list. They wanted a starting catcher as they headed towards a World Series push. There's no way Jansen gets a top 5 prospect. I'm very dubious Pivetta would either. If I'm the Sox, I'd rather take a 12 and a 14 from a team for Pivetta than get a 6 or 7.

 

we are better off just keeping Pivetta rather than getting a low ranked prospect. He is generally durable and if he is a #4-5 guy we could do worse and he should come pretty cheap and on a short term deal. The other 3- I take whatever we can get for them and hopefully Breslow targets pitching in return.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Randy Red Sox

[moonslav59]

we are better off just keeping Pivetta rather than getting a low ranked prospect. He is generally durable and if he is a #4-5 guy we could do worse and he should come pretty cheap and on a short term deal. The other 3- I take whatever we can get for them and hopefully Breslow targets pitching in return.

 

I'm not sure why we only get a low ranked prospect for Pivetta, unless he struggles between now and the deadline.

 

Since May 25th, 2023 (over a year ago) only 10 pitchers have an ERA- better than Nick's 72 (102 pitchers with 130+ IP)

 

For the FIP fans, this might blow you away: xFIP- leaders since 5/28/23:

62 Skubal

63 Glasnow

71 Pivetta

71 Webb

72 Strider

 

SIERA

2.72 Skubal

2.83 Pivetta

2.88 Glasnow

3.04 Strider

 

His 2.7 fWAR in this time is equal to Houck's.

 

I think you guys are undervaluing this guy.

[notin]

we are better off just keeping Pivetta rather than getting a low ranked prospect. He is generally durable and if he is a #4-5 guy we could do worse and he should come pretty cheap and on a short term deal. The other 3- I take whatever we can get for them and hopefully Breslow targets pitching in return.

 

The Sox can deal him and extend him later. It’s not like Pivetta is in the running for a QO…

[Duran Is The Man]

I'm not sure why we only get a low ranked prospect for Pivetta, unless he struggles between now and the deadline.

 

Since May 25th, 2023 (over a year ago) only 10 pitchers have an ERA- better than Nick's 72 (102 pitchers with 130+ IP)

 

For the FIP fans, this might blow you away: xFIP- leaders since 5/28/23:

62 Skubal

63 Glasnow

71 Pivetta

71 Webb

72 Strider

 

SIERA

2.72 Skubal

2.83 Pivetta

2.88 Glasnow

3.04 Strider

 

His 2.7 fWAR in this time is equal to Houck's.

 

I think you guys are undervaluing this guy.

 

 

 

then why trade him?

[moonslav59]

then why trade him?

 

FA after this year.

 

No brainer.

 

Extend him or trade him.

 

(We could even trade him, then re-sign him, this winter.)