Trades?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Could we trade for Nate for the second time?

 

 

I wonder if Dombrowski will trade for him. After all, Dombrowski was responsible for bringing him to Fenway. To be sure, Dombrowski is going to make a big move--he wants a third championship and the Phillies have the best record in baseball.

[Randy Red Sox]

Eovaldi's contract has a vesting option for 2025 that kicks in if he pitches 300 innings in 2023-2024. He's on target to get there if he can stay out of the shop.

 

the Sox MIGHT make the 3rd W/C spot but VERY UNLIKELY to have a deep postseason run. stay the course. we need YOUNG cost controlled SP not rentals like Eovaldi and Kikuchi, etc

[Larry Cook]

the Sox MIGHT make the 3rd W/C spot but VERY UNLIKELY to have a deep postseason run. stay the course. we need YOUNG cost controlled SP not rentals like Eovaldi and Kikuchi, etc

 

Agreed! That is why we need to be sellers for minor league starting pitchers

[moonslav59]

the Sox MIGHT make the 3rd W/C spot but VERY UNLIKELY to have a deep postseason run. stay the course. we need YOUNG cost controlled SP not rentals like Eovaldi and Kikuchi, etc

 

As long as we don’t have to trades top 7 prospect for Nate of Kikuchi, I’m okay with it, but yes, trying to get a pitcher with more control years is a better plan, and way more costly, as in needing to trade a top 3 prospect and more, or 2-3 prospects between 4-10.

 

Those types of trades are usually easier and less costly in the winter- not the deadline.

[moonslav59]

Agreed! That is why we need to be sellers for minor league starting pitchers

 

I’m not a firm believer in the playoffs are a crapshoot theory, although recent years have supported that theory, but I do not think this is a sell year. This team has a certain feel to it that screams, to me at least, a special quality not captured by stats or metrics. I call it heart and soul, but I’m not sure those are the right words. I think we have a shot to repeat 2021’s run of even better.

 

Now, if we finish July going 2-11 or maybe even4-9, I might change my mind, but this should be a but year. IMO, we should not trade Anthony, Mayer, Teel, Campbell or Cespedes, unless it is for a SPer with 2.5+ years of control. Bleis is borderline, maybe for a pitcher with1.5 years left and a decent contract. After Bleis, I might risk a rental trade.

 

I think our 7 and below prospects can get some very significant help at the deadline.

 

We got Schwarber for Aldo Ramirez.

We got Nate and Pearce for Berks and Espinal

 

[Nick]

You sell mainly to acquire young talent with CHANCE of a high ceiling guy.

 

We ain't getting that with what we have to sell. At best we may get an Abreu type.

 

But we don't need that type any longer. We have plethora of young guys.

 

As Moon would say we got to the window of winning seasons sooner than what we thought.

 

It's time for JH to push the chips. It's time to go all in. We're close. And our window in wide open for few years.

[moonslav59]

You sell mainly to acquire young talent with CHANCE of a high ceiling guy.

 

We ain't getting that with what we have to sell. At best we may get an Abreu type.

 

But we don't need that type any longer. We have plethora of young guys.

 

As Moon would say we got to the window of winning seasons sooner than what we thought.

 

It's time for JH to push the chips. It's time to go all in. We're close. And our window in wide open for few years.

 

I do think we can get key additions by trading prospects below number 6. If we truly believe in our young players on the 26, now and the top 6 prospects, then many of the prospects below #6 are clearly blocked. One could argue Bleis is blocked, too.

Duran, Rafaela, Abreu and Ref for one more year to transition to Anthony.

 

One could argue Campbell and Cespedes are or could be blocked, but I’d hold onto them. Their upside seems enormous.

 

The problem with trading Bleis is that his stock is not all that high, right now. Yes, it could go down, but the return for Bleis might not be all that great.

 

The Schwarber, Nate and Pearce trades are examples of mid level prospects bringing significant help, but often those level trades fail to make a difference.

 

I still think this is the path we should take.

 

Bleis only for a 1.5 year+ SPer- add lower prospects to improve the return.

 

A package of 7 or lower prospects for rentals.

 

Needs:

 

1. SP

2. SP

3. RP

4. RHB (SS, 1B or 2B)

[d-money]

Why would ti take to get a guy like mitch keller from the pirates?

[Nick]

It's time to add major piece or two. We're knocking at the door.

 

We have Kutter for 4 additional years, Tanner for 3 additional years and Bello for 5 + 1 years. Giolito more than likely will have 2 years on his contract assuming he's off to a slow start (in terms innings pitched in 2025)

 

With the return of Casas and Story, our lineup is solid with one exception and that's a big right handed bat.

 

I'm confident we'll piece together the bullpen. We'll see how good Liam is, the management thinks he can be the closer next year. Whitlock hopefully will return as a 'Martin' type set up guy unless they give him one more shot at starting.

 

Go Henry.

[Nick]

Cot's has us at $106M under the luxury tax line of $241M.

 

We lose Jansen and Martin. What if we're able to replace them with Liam (management thinks so) and Whitlock? Their salaries are already baked in. We'll get to see Liam pitch surely by September. Bres thinks he can be a closer for us.

 

We lose Pivetta but we gain Giolito. I'd say that's a wash at worst.

 

We'll have 3 significant Arbitration 1 guys in Duran, Kutter and Houck. My guess is that's a $20M pop at best. Unless of course we extend them.

 

Let's say Henry goes cheap and puts our tax 'budget' at $220M, giving us only $86M to spend. So far we've only spent $20M, leaving us with $66M.

 

Surely we can sign 3 major impact players for $22M each. And at some point, we'll get rid of Yoshida and Story giving us additional money, though it might be miniscule but better than nothing.

 

Life is getting better for the Sox fans.

 

Why NOT add a top of the line pitcher to join Kutter, Houck, Bello and Giolito?

Edited July 14, 2024 by Nick

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why would ti take to get a guy like mitch keller from the pirates?

 

An owner willing to take on another pitcher contract that's owed over $70 million...

 

If Breslow is allowed to trade any decent prospects, it will be for a more affordable pitcher they can try to lock up for a more reasonable extension.

 

Realistically, the best Sox fans should hope for is a Jack Flaherty, who will be paid about $7 million for the next three months, before he becomes a free agent again next winter.

[Old Red]

Cot's has us at $106M under the luxury tax line of $241M.

 

We lose Jansen and Martin. What if we're able to replace them with Liam (management thinks so) and Whitlock? Their salaries are already baked in. We'll get to see Liam pitch surely by September. Bres thinks he can be a closer for us.

 

We lose Pivetta but we gain Giolito. I'd say that's a wash at worst.

 

We'll have 3 significant Arbitration 1 guys in Duran, Kutter and Houck. My guess is that's a $20M pop at best. Unless of course we extend them.

 

Let's say Henry goes cheap and puts our tax 'budget' at $220M, giving us only $86M to spend. So far we've only spent $20M, leaving us with $66M.

 

Surely we can sign 3 major impact players for $22M each. And at some point, we'll get rid of Yoshida and Story giving us additional money, though it might be miniscule but better than nothing.

 

Life is getting better for the Sox fans.

 

Why NOT add a top of the line pitcher to join Kutter, Houck, Bello and Giolito?

 

The future is now on July 14 2024, and what happens the rest of July, Aug, and Sept, and hopefully what happens in October 2024. Nobody knows what will happen in 2025, and beyond, and things don’t usually carry over from one year to another. 2018 certainly didn’t carry over into 2019 by far. Houck, and Kut Man have pitched real well this year, but that doesn’t mean they will pitch that well next year, so take advantage of what you got now, and make this team better NOW. I don’t care what number prospects ranking is given up, or if any current players will lose playing time if someone is added . Like I’ve said many times if you’re not playing to win then don’t play at all. Play to win now.

[notin]

Cot's has us at $106M under the luxury tax line of $241M.

 

We lose Jansen and Martin. What if we're able to replace them with Liam (management thinks so) and Whitlock? Their salaries are already baked in. We'll get to see Liam pitch surely by September. Bres thinks he can be a closer for us.

 

We lose Pivetta but we gain Giolito. I'd say that's a wash at worst.

 

We'll have 3 significant Arbitration 1 guys in Duran, Kutter and Houck. My guess is that's a $20M pop at best. Unless of course we extend them.

 

Let's say Henry goes cheap and puts our tax 'budget' at $220M, giving us only $86M to spend. So far we've only spent $20M, leaving us with $66M.

 

Surely we can sign 3 major impact players for $22M each. And at some point, we'll get rid of Yoshida and Story giving us additional money, though it might be miniscule but better than nothing.

 

Life is getting better for the Sox fans.

 

Why NOT add a top of the line pitcher to join Kutter, Houck, Bello and Giolito?

 

The record for a first year arbitration salary is $11.5mill by Cody Bellinger. So no, Duran, Houck, and Crawford are NOT going to get $20mil each…

[mvp 78]

The record for a first year arbitration salary is $11.5mill by Cody Bellinger. So no, Duran, Houck, and Crawford are NOT going to get $20mil each…

 

$20M would be year 3 ARB for mvp type player.

[Nick]

Uh....that's $20M for all 3.....I wouldn't be that stupid.

[moonslav59]

Cot's has us at $106M under the luxury tax line of $241M.

 

We lose Jansen and Martin. What if we're able to replace them with Liam (management thinks so) and Whitlock? Their salaries are already baked in. We'll get to see Liam pitch surely by September. Bres thinks he can be a closer for us.

 

We lose Pivetta but we gain Giolito. I'd say that's a wash at worst.

 

We'll have 3 significant Arbitration 1 guys in Duran, Kutter and Houck. My guess is that's a $20M pop at best. Unless of course we extend them.

 

Let's say Henry goes cheap and puts our tax 'budget' at $220M, giving us only $86M to spend. So far we've only spent $20M, leaving us with $66M.

 

Surely we can sign 3 major impact players for $22M each. And at some point, we'll get rid of Yoshida and Story giving us additional money, though it might be miniscule but better than nothing.

 

Life is getting better for the Sox fans.

 

Why NOT add a top of the line pitcher to join Kutter, Houck, Bello and Giolito?

 

There is no reason we cannot add another pitcher- even a high priced one, except for JHs stinginess.

 

If you look at the numbers from our FAs to be in 2024 only, Martin and Pivetta will not be expensive to replace.

 

Replacing O’Neill plus another good RHB will cost more than O’Neill’s 2024 contract.

 

Replacing the 2024 Jansen, in kind, will be costly, but doing so should still leave enough room to add an ace or two solid SPers.

 

In short, our needs will be:

SP

Closer

RHB (SS/2B)

RHB (1B/OF)

 

We could swap a LHB OF for a RHB OF or 1B/OF at no added cost.

 

We can do this all and stay below the tax line, but if we can spend beyond the line, I’m thinking very good things for our near and far future!

 

[Nick]

Moon the reality again is tha Bres thinks Liam can replace Jansen. Why would he spend money to get a closer when Liam already has a contract?

 

My guess is he also thinks Giolito can repace Pivetta.

 

And what to do with?Whitlock? I am pretty sure he thinks he can either start or replace Martin.

 

What I am trying to say is has has the opportunity to go find top liners with minimum of $60M.

 

I rather us go spend on real impact players. That to me means NOT spending $16M on a closer when they already have Liam.

 

And I agree with that approach.

[Hugh2]

Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz

Enderson Lira

Luis Guerrero

 

 

For

 

 

Nathan Eovaldi

[Bellhorn04]

Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz

Enderson Lira

Luis Guerrero

 

 

For

 

 

Nathan Eovaldi

 

I wouldn't assume Texas is in sell mode. They're 5 games out in the division, they've won 7 of 9, Scherzer is back etc.

[Hugh2]

I wouldn't assume Texas is in sell mode. They're 5 games out in the division, they've won 7 of 9, Scherzer is back etc.

 

No, but if they're sellers Eovaldi is clearly a trade chip.

[Hugh2]

The Rangers have the 8th worse record in baseball, if they're not sellers then there aren't too many teams selling, also a lot can change in 2 weeks. If the Sox lose 12 in a row they probably aren't buying anymore.

[moonslav59]

Moon the reality again is tha Bres thinks Liam can replace Jansen. Why would he spend money to get a closer when Liam already has a contract?

 

My guess is he also thinks Giolito can repace Pivetta.

 

And what to do with?Whitlock? I am pretty sure he thinks he can either start or replace Martin.

 

What I am trying to say is has has the opportunity to go find top liners with minimum of $60M.

 

I rather us go spend on real impact players. That to me means NOT spending $16M on a closer when they already have Liam.

 

And I agree with that approach.

 

I wasn’t saying what JH will allow Brezhnev to do; I’m saying what I would do.

[moonslav59]

I wasn’t saying what JH will allow Brezhnev to do; I’m saying what I would do.

 

We could also trade for a closer or 1/2 type RPer.

[Bellhorn04]

No, but if they're sellers Eovaldi is clearly a trade chip.

 

But they have a team/vesting option on him for 2025.

 

Texas probably feels like they're still in the window. deGrom will be back soon too.

 

I don't think Eovaldi is going anywhere.

[Hugh2]

But they have a team/vesting option on him for 2025.

 

Texas probably feels like they're still in the window. deGrom will be back soon too.

 

I don't think Eovaldi is going anywhere.

 

Maybe, maybe not.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe, maybe not.

 

Sounds like a bet to me.

[Bellhorn04]

What the hell, now that I've given it some thought, I'll say that Texas is still in the mix this year big time. Pretty soon their rotation options will include:

 

deGrom

Scherzer

Eovaldi

Lorenzen

Mahle

Gray

Heaney

 

And like the Red Sox, they have an elite manager.

[mvp 78]

What the hell, now that I've given it some thought, I'll say that Texas is still in the mix this year big time. Pretty soon their rotation options will include:

 

deGrom

Scherzer

Eovaldi

Lorenzen

Mahle

Gray

Heaney

 

Like the Red Sox, they also have an elite manager.

 

The only guy in that rotation I'd be interest in is Eovaldi and he does come with injury risk.

[Bellhorn04]

The Rangers have the 8th worse record in baseball, if they're not sellers then there aren't too many teams selling, also a lot can change in 2 weeks. If the Sox lose 12 in a row they probably aren't buying anymore.

 

Baseball has gone through the looking glass, Hugh. Arizona made the World Series last year with 84 wins and a -15 differential.

 

Texas is poised for a run.

[mvp 78]

Baseball has gone through the looking glass, Hugh. Arizona made the World Series last year with 84 wins and a -15 differential.

 

Texas is poised for a run.

 

Why? Isn't it more likely that the Astros just end up outlasting everyone else and winning that dumb division? The current 3rd WC spot is on pace for 90 wins. Don't think the Rangers can sneak in their with 84 this year.