A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[moonslav59]

Payroll has trended downward, 2020 to 2024...

 

More like two distinct mega-drops.

 

2019>2020 and 2022>2023>2024.

 

We increased from '20>'21 and '21>'22.

 

CB Tax line:

'18 $239M

'19 $244M +5M

'20 $185M -59M

'21 $208M +23M

'22 $236M +18M

'23 $225M -11M

'24 ~$209M -16M

 

2 year stretches:

'18-'20: -54M

'20-'22: +51M

'22-'24: -27M

 

[Duran Is The Man]

What other decision makers? I ask because "decision makers" rarely applies to a group. Before the Continental Army crossed the Delaware the night of 25-26 Dec 1776, Washington convened one or more "councils of war." But only one guy could make the decision to cross that semi-frozen river, attack the Hessians in Trenton, and save the American Revolution.

 

if you think Brez is the only one in that office making decisions....LOL. he gets input from dozens of people. it's these people, that need to be canned. the same ones that recommended we sign Yoshi, Gruesome, Kluber, Paxton, Bearclaw, Joely, Jacques, Story, JBJ trade, etc etc adf***ingnauseum.

[mvp 78]

if you think Brez is the only one in that office making decisions....LOL. he gets input from dozens of people. it's these people, that need to be canned. the same ones that recommended we sign Yoshi, Gruesome, Kluber, Paxton, Bearclaw, Joely, Jacques, Story, JBJ trade, etc etc adf***ingnauseum.

 

It's why Theo recommended Breslow use Sportsology Group to conduct an independent audit. Time to clear out some deadwood.

 

I can't expect Breslow to know who is underperforming on day one when Henry wants to protect all his yes men.

[Hugh2]

It's why Theo recommended Breslow use Sportsology Group to conduct an independent audit. Time to clear out some deadwood.

 

I can't expect Breslow to know who is underperforming on day one when Henry wants to protect all his yes men.

 

While I agree with the overall narrative, I certainly wouldn't want to fire a guy because he got one thing wrong. You can do everything rigth and end up wrong and vis versa.

 

Can anyone name any of the other players scouted and recomeneded by Danny Watkins? FYI he is the agent who signed Mookie Betts. Was he good? or did he just get lucky??? I'd be willing to bet no one in here can name one without doint some research.

 

Now again, I'm all for eliminating deadwood, trimming the fat, getting rid of under performers etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact I've been one of the BIGGEST proponents of this over the last several years.

 

But what I don't want to do is just indiscriminatenly eliminate people and there's value in continuity.

 

Give me a surgical knife and not the machete

[mvp 78]

While I agree with the overall narrative, I certainly wouldn't want to fire a guy because he got one thing wrong. You can do everything rigth and end up wrong and vis versa.

 

Can anyone name any of the other players scouted and recomeneded by Danny Watkins? FYI he is the agent who signed Mookie Betts. Was he good? or did he just get lucky??? I'd be willing to bet no one in here can name one without doint some research.

 

Now again, I'm all for eliminating deadwood, trimming the fat, getting rid of under performers etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact I've been one of the BIGGEST proponents of this over the last several years.

 

But what I don't want to do is just indiscriminatenly eliminate people and there's value in continuity.

 

Give me a surgical knife and not the machete

 

Does one bad signing mean a guy should be fired? No. However, I believe the Sox have one of the large front offices in baseball and it's not necessarily helping the product on the field in baseball. The results we have seen so far in 2024 have been directly tied to Breslow and his overhaul of the pitching department.

 

I think the process they are going through now should great to provide Breslow the confidence to move forward with the people he wants to keep around.

[moonslav59]

While I agree with the overall narrative, I certainly wouldn't want to fire a guy because he got one thing wrong. You can do everything rigth and end up wrong and vis versa.

 

Can anyone name any of the other players scouted and recomeneded by Danny Watkins? FYI he is the agent who signed Mookie Betts. Was he good? or did he just get lucky??? I'd be willing to bet no one in here can name one without doint some research.

 

Now again, I'm all for eliminating deadwood, trimming the fat, getting rid of under performers etc. etc. etc. As a matter of fact I've been one of the BIGGEST proponents of this over the last several years.

 

But what I don't want to do is just indiscriminatenly eliminate people and there's value in continuity.

 

Give me a surgical knife and not the machete

 

Post of the Week.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think anyone is down on Breslow, really. Most Red Sox fans have come to realize where the real issues of recent years lie.

[mvp 78]

@TJStats

Wilyer Abreu MLB Rookie Ranks:

 

6 HR (3rd)

25 R (3rd)

22 RBI (4th)

7 SB (4th)

139 wRC+ (2nd)

1.8 fWAR (1st)

 

Wilyer is having a heckuva year.

[Old Red]

@TJStats

Wilyer Abreu MLB Rookie Ranks:

 

6 HR (3rd)

25 R (3rd)

22 RBI (4th)

7 SB (4th)

139 wRC+ (2nd)

1.8 fWAR (1st)

 

Wilyer is having a heckuva year.

Atta boy to Bloom for the pickup.

[moonslav59]

@TJStats

Wilyer Abreu MLB Rookie Ranks:

 

6 HR (3rd)

25 R (3rd)

22 RBI (4th)

7 SB (4th)

139 wRC+ (2nd)

1.8 fWAR (1st)

 

Wilyer is having a heckuva year.

 

A poster, whose name rhymes with mold dead asked why we wanted to watch him kick the ball around RF, after like his 3rd game of the year.

[Old Red]

A poster, whose name rhymes with mold dead asked why we wanted to watch him kick the ball around RF, after like his 3rd game of the year.

 

Moon, you’re such an ASS CLOWN, so wasn’t many others out there on the talk shows, media, and Red Sox Nation. He wasn’t hitting much at the time either, so now the narrative has changed, which can go both ways over the course of a season. Remember when you get all giddy over someone, and call people out things usually turn s*****. You’re a bigger fraud, and phony than the man behind the curtain.

Edited May 30, 2024 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

We are 28-28. For what it's worth BR has our Pythagorean W-L at 31-25, which would be 1/2 ahead of MIN fo the last slot, instead of 2.5 behind.

 

In team stats, we place...

 

2nd in fWAR pitching (4th SP/ 2nd RP)

10th Earned Runs Allowed (4th in ERA)

18th Runs Allowed

 

18th in fWAR everyday players.

9th in OPS (12th in OBP/9th in SLG)

13th in runs scored

 

22nd in OAA

 

Our 28-28 record is 13th best in MLB.

0.5 behind 11th (SDP & SFG)

2.5 behind 9th (MIN & SEA)

4.5 behind 7th (ATL & MIL)

 

On the flip side, we are tied for 13th best w CHC & STL.

We are 0.5 ahead of #16 DET (bottom half of MLB)

1.0 ahead of #17 & 18 (TBR & TEX)

1.5 ahead of #19 TOR

2.0 ahead of #20 & 21 PIT & WASH for bottom third tier.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't think anyone is down on Breslow, really. Most Red Sox fans have come to realize where the real issues of recent years lie.

 

"Recent years lie." You've been doing the job exposing this organization since the offseason!

 

I'd say you've consistently repeated the cons of these pros, but I grew up watching Clutch Cargo, a go-to guy when the going got tough. Eventually, a new department told me he was only a dock worker who just grabbed a lot of crates.

[mvp 78]

We are 28-28. For what it's worth BR has our Pythagorean W-L at 31-25, which would be 1/2 ahead of MIN fo the last slot, instead of 2.5 behind.

 

 

Pythagoras believed that a team would have blowouts both for and against. This team just piles on the blowouts which distorts their Pythagorean W-L.

[dgalehouse]

Pythagoras couldn't hit the breaking ball. He did invent the often heard phrase " why can't we save some of those runs for tomorrow " however.

[mvp 78]

Pythagoras couldn't hit the breaking ball. He did invent the often heard phrase " why can't we save some of those runs for tomorrow " however.

 

Similar to how Bill Walton thought you could turn an inning ending double play into a triple play and roll the third out into the next inning.

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/local-networks/the-bill-walton-baseball-experience-begins-with-wanting-a-triple-play-with-1-out-comparing-welington-castillo-to-usain-bolt-and-being-better-at-getting-high.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

He hoped for a triple play when the White Sox had one out in the bottom of the first. When Benetti informed him that’s not possible, Walton asked, “Well you can carry it over (to the next inning), can’t ya?”

[Elktonnick]

Did not see Henry or Werner at the ceremony honoring inductees into Red Sox Hall of Fame!!!

[Old Red]

A poster, whose name rhymes with mold dead asked why we wanted to watch him kick the ball around RF, after like his 3rd game of the year.

 

Right on cue Moon comes through. You got Giddy, and Abreu played s*****. I heard he even booted the ball around in RF. Even got pinch hit for by the RAF Man. Count in the books. When Moon gets giddy over a player, or the team things turn s*****.🙈🤭🤮

[Randy Red Sox]

Did not see Henry or Werner at the ceremony honoring inductees into Red Sox Hall of Fame!!!

 

Henry has been MIA for YEARS !! Scared to show his face around town.

[moonslav59]

No doubt, our offense looks putrid. I'm not sure Casas coming back hot would make a big difference. We probably need Casas and O'Neill lighting things up, as well as others busting out of their slumps, at the same time and for an extended time to salvage any hop for this season- not that there was all that much to begin with.

 

For the month of May, we only have 1 batter with more than 55 ABs and a .789 OPS (Devers.) Only 3 batter have 55+ ABs and an OPS over .712 in May:

.925 Devers

.789 Duran

.787 Abreu

(Ref is at .809 w 54 ABs/ DHam at .833 w 47 ABs in May)

 

We have 7 batters with 30+ ABs and an OPS below .650 in May. (5 are below .565)

 

The rotation has been showing signs for regressing, as the defense seems to be limiting major costly mistakes as much as earlier, this season.

 

[Elktonnick]

Henry has been MIA for YEARS !! Scared to show his face around town.

I know but it shows his total lack of class and respect not to acknowledge Dustin Pedroia 's contribution to his ball club.

[Hugh2]

"Recent years lie." You've been doing the job exposing this organization since the offseason!

 

I'd say you've consistently repeated the cons of these pros, but I grew up watching Clutch Cargo, a go-to guy when the going got tough. Eventually, a new department told me he was only a dock worker who just grabbed a lot of crates.

 

There have been others in here who have been voicing the same concern for years. As far back as Mookie being traded, Bloom caught a lot of the blame for that and still does but I had been saying since day one that was a front office move.

 

Henry has gone rogue, and not in the good way.

[mvp 78]

Henry has been MIA for YEARS !! Scared to show his face around town.

 

He's not scared, they just know he has foot in mouth disease and try to not have him around as much anymore. Plus, he has a lot of other things going on and the Sox aren't as important anymore.

[Bellhorn04]

I know but it shows his total lack of class and respect not to acknowledge Dustin Pedroia 's contribution to his ball club.

 

Yes, he has really exposed himself over the last 5 years as an ass.

[mvp 78]

No doubt, our offense looks putrid. I'm not sure Casas coming back hot would make a big difference. We probably need Casas and O'Neill lighting things up, as well as others busting out of their slumps, at the same time and for an extended time to salvage any hop for this season- not that there was all that much to begin with.

 

For the month of May, we only have 1 batter with more than 55 ABs and a .789 OPS (Devers.) Only 3 batter have 55+ ABs and an OPS over .712 in May:

.925 Devers

.789 Duran

.787 Abreu

(Ref is at .809 w 54 ABs/ DHam at .833 w 47 ABs in May)

 

We have 7 batters with 30+ ABs and an OPS below .650 in May. (5 are below .565)

 

The rotation has been showing signs for regressing, as the defense seems to be limiting major costly mistakes as much as earlier, this season.

 

 

Casas only fixes 1B. They still have massive power outages at 2B and CF. The bottom part of the lineup are AAA hitters.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I know but it shows his total lack of class and respect not to acknowledge Dustin Pedroia 's contribution to his ball club.

 

Dustin Pedroia is arguably the greatest Red Sox infielder in post-integration history. He averaged 5 errors a year in 11 full-time seasons at second base.

 

Statisticians can point to Wade Boggs, who led the majors in times on base for eight straight years (in an era when people called Rickey Henderson the best leadoff man of all-time). Boggs was a great hitter who became a good third baseman, but teammates, fans and media didn't consider him a leader on and off the field, like they did with Pedroia. BBRef Most Similar by Ages: Pedroia age 24 - Rod Carew; Boggs age 38 - Rod Carew.

 

Career WAR for Boston:

Boggs 71.9, Pedroia 51.9, Nomar Garciaparra 41.2, Rico Petrocelli 39.1, Xander Bogaerts 35.2, John Valentin 32.5, Kevin Youkilis 31.3, Mo Vaughn 24.7,

 

Rafael Devers 20.1, Rick Burleson 18.3, Jody Reed 14.3, Marty Barrett 9.3, Brock Holt 8.6, Jerry Remy 6.5, Mark Bellhorn 4.1, Lou Merloni 2.4, Pablo Sandoval -1.6.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox 2024 record in first game of home stand:

 

0-5

5 runs scored

31 runs allowed

 

Nothing like the magic of getting back to Fenway!

[Hugh2]

Red Sox 2024 record in first game of home stand:

 

0-5

5 runs scored

31 runs allowed

 

Nothing like the magic of getting back to Fenway!

 

Not much of a home game when almost none of the players on your team have been here long term.

[mvp 78]

Dustin Pedroia is arguably the greatest Red Sox infielder in post-integration history. He averaged 5 errors a year in 11 full-time seasons at second base.

 

Statisticians can point to Wade Boggs, who led the majors in times on base for eight straight years (in an era when people called Rickey Henderson the best leadoff man of all-time). Boggs was a great hitter who became a good third baseman, but teammates, fans and media didn't consider him a leader on and off the field, like they did with Pedroia. BBRef Most Similar by Ages: Pedroia age 24 - Rod Carew; Boggs age 38 - Rod Carew.

 

Career WAR for Boston:

Boggs 71.9, Pedroia 51.9, Nomar Garciaparra 41.2, Rico Petrocelli 39.1, Xander Bogaerts 35.2, John Valentin 32.5, Kevin Youkilis 31.3, Mo Vaughn 24.7,

 

Rafael Devers 20.1, Rick Burleson 18.3, Jody Reed 14.3, Marty Barrett 9.3, Brock Holt 8.6, Jerry Remy 6.5, Mark Bellhorn 4.1, Lou Merloni 2.4, Pablo Sandoval -1.6.

 

If it wasn't for Machado, Pedroia would have had a much better shot at sticking around on the HOF balloting for a while. Now, he's more Ian Kinsler/Willie Randolph than Ryne Sandberg.

[Randy Red Sox]

He's not scared, they just know he has foot in mouth disease and try to not have him around as much anymore. Plus, he has a lot of other things going on and the Sox aren't as important anymore.

 

that last point is bloody obvious isn't it?