A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[Bellhorn04]

2B is being covered now by Hamilton, Sogard and Gonzalez. I guess Valdez is back too?

 

Gonzalez is the main RH bat there. He has an .813 OPS and is hot. I don't think anyone wants to see Grissom taking his place right now.

[Old Red]

Cora said something about Grissom having to work on some things with his hitting - bat path or whatever. I doubt we see much more of him in a Boston uniform this year. Try again in 2025.

2025 all depends on if Mayer is ready, or not, and the health of Story. If both are I don’t see any role for Grissom on the Red Sox. Keeping him at Woo, or traded most likely depending on if he produces, and stays healthy himself, which at this point isn’t any more likely than Story.

[Bellhorn04]

Grissom already looks like a change of scenery candidate.

[Old Red]

2B is being covered now by Hamilton, Sogard and Gonzalez. I guess Valdez is back too?

 

Gonzalez is the main RH bat there. He has an .813 OPS and is hot. I don't think anyone wants to see Grissom taking his place right now.

One thinks he should be just handed the job, because he was traded for Sale. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[moonslav59]

Cora said something about Grissom having to work on some things with his hitting - bat path or whatever. I doubt we see much more of him in a Boston uniform this year. Try again in 2025.

 

He missed a lot of time. He likely has a few things needing work or fine-tuning.

 

I still think he has an excellent chance of winning the 2B job, next spring. I doubt we see him, this year. Our current middle IF mix has been doing well enough to not need replacing, as of now. Of course, things can change, quickly, as we all know.

[Hugh2]

Time and time and time again we see guys turning it on after getting some time and we are already, STILL, YET AGAIN, ready to give up on a guy after 81 at bats.

 

I always viewed Grissom as more of a 2b/3b/1b/LF super utility type who may be able to provide 1.5-2 war a year for the next 5 years.

[Old Red]

Time and time and time again we see guys turning it on after getting some time and we are already, STILL, YET AGAIN, ready to give up on a guy after 81 at bats.

 

I always viewed Grissom as more of a 2b/3b/1b/LF super utility type who may be able to provide 1.5-2 war a year for the next 5 years.

 

Who’s said anything about giving up on Grissom? The discussion to me is that Grissom hasn’t done much of anything yet in a Red Sox uniform to warrant to come up, and play now over guys who have been somewhat producing in the middle of a postseason battle, and it’s really as simple as that, so STILL, YET AGAIN over analyzing.

[Hugh2]

Who’s said anything about giving up on Grissom? The discussion to me is that Grissom hasn’t done much of anything yet in a Red Sox uniform to warrant to come up, and play now over guys who have been somewhat producing in the middle of a postseason battle, and it’s really as simple as that, so STILL, YET AGAIN over analyzing.

 

I assume many people haven't given up on him. I don't speak for, nor to I speak to everyone. SO yeah, It certainly feels some think Grissom stinks and the trade was awful.....I mean to be fair that's been the conclusion to date.

[moonslav59]

I assume many people haven't given up on him. I don't speak for, nor to I speak to everyone. SO yeah, It certainly feels some think Grissom stinks and the trade was awful.....I mean to be fair that's been the conclusion to date.

 

In all fairness, you did say "READY" to give up, not that anyone has, already or has totally given up. (Somebody misread your post, "YET AGAIN!")

 

Grissom has plenty of years of control remaining. If he is goodenough, he will have ample opportunities to show it and win a job on the 26.

 

I think he has as good a chance as anyone else to be the opening day 2Bman in 2025. To me, the biggest chance of him missing out is if Story is healthy and mayer makes the opening day 26.

[moonslav59]

What has saved the day at 2B, this year has been this...

 

.937 Romy's OPS vs LHPs.

.726 DHam's OPS vs RHPs (with 19 SBs vs Righties)

 

Their D has not been awful, either.

 

If they had sucked, Grissom might be getting another look, real soon.

 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

I assume many people haven't given up on him. I don't speak for, nor to I speak to everyone. SO yeah, It certainly feels some think Grissom stinks and the trade was awful.....I mean to be fair that's been the conclusion to date.

 

I don’t know how anyone could come to any other conclusion TO DATE. So far the trade has been awful. Down the road the trade may look better, but the here, and now are what most fans are looking at. Grissom has contributed very little at all, and the Red Sox are paying $17M for Sale to pitch WELL for someone else not to mention the Red Sox could have most certainly used Sale’s good pitching for themselves.

[Old Red]

In all fairness, you did say "READY" to give up, not that anyone has, already or has totally given up. (Somebody misread your post, "YET AGAIN!")

 

Grissom has plenty of years of control remaining. If he is goodenough, he will have ample opportunities to show it and win a job on the 26.

 

I think he has as good a chance as anyone else to be the opening day 2Bman in 2025. To me, the biggest chance of him missing out is if Story is healthy and mayer makes the opening day 26.

Parse all the words you want, but it really DOESN’t change anything. Grissom has plenty of years of control left to play for someone else. Mayer is coming sooner than later, and Story Land has 3 more years to stay open on his contract, so I don’t see how he will have ample opportunities to win a job on the 26.

[moonslav59]

I sure hope our pitching staff can regain some of what they lost along the way. We have too many floundering SP'ers and up and down pen arms, right now.

 

It's hard to imagine us getting into the playoffs or advancing in them very far without some sort of revitalization.

 

Maybe Martin can find a groove, like last year. Maybe Slaten can bring some life into the pen. Maybe Jansen can build off his last game's success. Maybe the two new guys, Garcia and Sims can bring a spark to the pen. Kelly and Bernardino have not come close to their earlier success, but maybe... Wink & Criswell offer some hope, and maybe Booser can return, or Hendriks surprises us.

 

The rotation is one total question mark. There is very little to build much hope on. Nobody is showing signs of life. At best, Pivetta gives us a good game, here and there. We need several pitchers to turn things around in a big way and quickly.

 

While our offense has been on an .885 tear over the last 28 days, our staff has allowed an .847 OPS Against during the same time.

[Hugh2]

In all fairness, you did say "READY" to give up, not that anyone has, already or has totally given up. (Somebody misread your post, "YET AGAIN!")

 

Grissom has plenty of years of control remaining. If he is goodenough, he will have ample opportunities to show it and win a job on the 26.

 

I think he has as good a chance as anyone else to be the opening day 2Bman in 2025. To me, the biggest chance of him missing out is if Story is healthy and mayer makes the opening day 26.

 

 

A lot of people mis read a lot of things around here, myself included. I've decided to let it slide and not bother with the semantics with people......I'm sure it won't last and I will break soon.

[Hugh2]

Parse all the words you want, but it really DOESN’t change anything. Grissom has plenty of years of control left to play for someone else. Mayer is coming sooner than later, and Story Land has 3 more years to stay open on his contract, so I don’t see how he will have ample opportunities to win a job on the 26.

 

This was the problem Atlanta had, they had at the time and still an amazing roster now, what was considered the strongest position player roster locked up. That's why they were giving him reps in LF, he's a RHB that hit at every level so one would hope that given a clean bill of health he could do the same in Boston eventually.

 

But with Mayer, and Story locked up as you said he may not have a home up the middle, and that might be a good thing if you consider it to be because those two guys are on the roster. If Grissom is healthy, and looks ready for another chance then under that scenario I hope they give him a look at other positions. I could see him getting time pretty much anywhere other than C/CF/RF

[moonslav59]

A lot of people mis read a lot of things around here, myself included. I've decided to let it slide and not bother with the semantics with people......I'm sure it won't last and I will break soon.

 

We all misread things, on occasion, myself included, and we admit it when we do.

 

The thing that gets me is almost every time this poster says, "Who’s said anything about ____?" It's not the person he'd directing the question to.

[moonslav59]

This was the problem Atlanta had, they had at the time and still an amazing roster now, what was considered the strongest position player roster locked up. That's why they were giving him reps in LF, he's a RHB that hit at every level so one would hope that given a clean bill of health he could do the same in Boston eventually.

 

But with Mayer, and Story locked up as you said he may not have a home up the middle, and that might be a good thing if you consider it to be because those two guys are on the roster. If Grissom is healthy, and looks ready for another chance then under that scenario I hope they give him a look at other positions. I could see him getting time pretty much anywhere other than C/CF/RF

 

No FT job has been handed to Mayer. He has not even been promoted to AAA, yet. He is certainly highly regarded and in the mix, but for opening day 2025, I would not even say he is the front runner for a middle IF slot.

 

Story is, if he is healthy, and of course that has been the question with him, since joining the Sox. Assuming we do not add anyone else to the middle IF mix, this winter, I think several players will have a chance to win the job, including DHam and Romy (or a DHam-Romy platoon) who both have the rest of this season to improve or lessen their chances of winning a lot of playing time in 2025 or even the starting 2Bman job on opening day.

 

A lot depends on who is our SS. I think it will be Story, but if Mayer wins a job, it could easily be SS, with Story moving to 2B. If that is the case, the only job teh rest will be fighting for is as our utility IF'er. To me, Mayer is no sure bet, especially for opening day 2025. That is why I think Grissom has as good of chance as anyone else for that job. There are just too many moving parts to know for sure who has the inside edge on the job.

 

1. Story (SS, or maybe 2B, if and when Mayer wins the SS job)

2. Mayer (IMO, most likely SS not 2B)

3. Grissom

4. DHam-Romy platoon at 2B

5. E Valdez (D sucks) or Meidroth (3B/2B/SS) are long shots

6. Campbell (not ready for opening day and may move to OF)

 

(Numbers are not their rankings.)

[Old Red]

We all misread things, on occasion, myself included, and we admit it when we do.

 

The thing that gets me is almost every time this poster says, "Who’s said anything about ____?" It's not the person he'd directing the question to.

From the man behind the curtain who’s pretty much wrong about everything. It doesn’t matter what you want to call it either an opinion, a suggestion, a prediction,a recommendation,or your everyday brain fart looking for his first real idea. It’s not a gift, but a curse. Wash-rinse-repeat over, and over again, and that’s what should get you, but it don’t.

Edited August 10, 2024 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

On 3/30/2024 at 7:55 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

Devers says he's had pain the shoulder for a while now, was playing through it in spring games.

 

Not what you want to hear.

Found this post from March 30th.