Best Red Sox SS of All Time

[Hugh2]

Bogey's opt-out was an automatic. He would have been insane not to. Of course the Sox could have prevented it by signing him to a new deal some time in the last two years.

 

I agree, Bogey took an early extension at easy money once, he was never going to do it the second time around. There’s no way him and Boras would have signed an extension unless it was their asking price.

 

If you think the market is going to pay a guy much less than what he’s asking you let him go to free agency. The Sox aren’t wrong for doing that, but they could still be blamed for not resigning him here.

[mvp 78]

I agree, Bogey took an early extension at easy money once, he was never going to do it the second time around. There’s no way him and Boras would have signed an extension unless it was their asking price.

 

If you think the market is going to pay a guy much less than what he’s asking you let him go to free agency. The Sox aren’t wrong for doing that, but they could still be blamed for not resigning him here.

 

They are at fault for letting him get to FA. At that point, he's most likely going to either cost more or will leave. The idea that "the market won't develop" seems foolhardy to me.

[cp176]

I agree, Bogey took an early extension at easy money once, he was never going to do it the second time around. There’s no way him and Boras would have signed an extension unless it was their asking price.

 

If you think the market is going to pay a guy much less than what he’s asking you let him go to free agency. The Sox aren’t wrong for doing that, but they could still be blamed for not resigning him here.

 

It is a chance that every team has to take on occasion. it is kind of like timing the market. Now if Bogaerts is allowed to get away because of the money he is asking for and the Red Sox still mange to somehow upgrade this team in general, then maybe it's good. I

[cp176]

It is a chance that every team has to take on occasion. it is kind of like timing the market. Now if Bogaerts is allowed to get away because of the money he is asking for and the Red Sox still mange to somehow upgrade this team in general, then maybe it's good. I

 

I doubt that they will be upgrading if he leaves and personally yup I think that they should be blamed.

[mvp 78]

It is a chance that every team has to take on occasion. it is kind of like timing the market. Now if Bogaerts is allowed to get away because of the money he is asking for and the Red Sox still mange to somehow upgrade this team in general, then maybe it's good. I

 

I think they are trying to play the market. The problem is that lately the market has just run over them.

[moonslav59]

They are at fault for letting him get to FA. At that point, he's most likely going to either cost more or will leave. The idea that "the market won't develop" seems foolhardy to me.

 

The comp pick is not as good as it used to be and it's highly a pick can equal what we could have gotten in trade a year or two ago, or even at this deadline.

 

They took a lot of grief for trading Betts, but that's no reason to let Bogey go for just a comp pick.

 

So much for supporting Bloom.

[moonslav59]

I think they are trying to play the market. The problem is that lately the market has just run over them.

 

I get the reasoning behind setting a price and not going much over it, but when you keep getting run over, you have to just bite the bullet, at some point.

 

I did not think the Story signing was a big overpay, so maybe Bloom finds more deals like his.

[Hugh2]

It is a chance that every team has to take on occasion. it is kind of like timing the market. Now if Bogaerts is allowed to get away because of the money he is asking for and the Red Sox still mange to somehow upgrade this team in general, then maybe it's good. I

 

Exactly, whether or not the Sox are right will be determined by what he signs for. If he gets paid somewhere around $200 or less, the Sox played the market correctly; if it’s for another team then it’s just because the Sox didn’t want to sign him for that still.

 

If Bogey ends up signing somewhere else for $230 or above then they over played their hand

[Old Red]

I think they are trying to play the market. The problem is that lately the market has just run over them.

 

Was they trying to play the market when they lowballed Bogey last offseason? Seems like Lester part II to me, and JH didn’t even meet Bogey out in the parking lot to say goodbye.

[notin]

I think they are trying to play the market. The problem is that lately the market has just run over them.

 

You’re assuming their voiced interest in Bogaerts actually indicates interest in Bogaerts…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You’re assuming their voiced interest in Bogaerts actually indicates interest in Bogaerts…

 

Wouldn't that be playing the public?

 

And in baseball, doesn't playing the market mean you have to pay market prices for quality?

[Old Red]

Wouldn't that be playing the public?

 

And in baseball, doesn't playing the market mean you have to pay market prices for quality?

 

Yes, and yes.

[moonslav59]

Wouldn't that be playing the public?

 

And in baseball, doesn't playing the market mean you have to pay market prices for quality?

 

Let's see how much they "pay market prices for quality," this winter.

 

Last winter, we did with Story, and the rest were flyers taken on Wacha, Paxton, Hill, Diekman and Strahm. Before that, it was Richards, Perez & Kike.

 

We already extended Kike, so that is sort of a winter move, but it was not "open market." With the numbers we've seen, so far, the Kike signing is looking better and better, and it didn't look to bad, to me, on day 1.

 

BTV has Kike at +0.1 value- a rarity to see a recent signing near zero or better. (They do have Abreu as +2.1.)

Edited November 30, 2022 by moonslav59

[cp176]

Exactly, whether or not the Sox are right will be determined by what he signs for. If he gets paid somewhere around $200 or less, the Sox played the market correctly; if it’s for another team then it’s just because the Sox didn’t want to sign him for that still.

 

If Bogey ends up signing somewhere else for $230 or above then they over played their hand

 

So if he goes somewhere else at a price that the Red Sox could certainly have afforded they were right about the market I guess but they had no intention of signing him in the first place. In the eyes of many, that would make the Red Sox wrong.

Edited November 30, 2022 by cp176

[mvp 78]

The comp pick is not as good as it used to be and it's highly a pick can equal what we could have gotten in trade a year or two ago, or even at this deadline.

 

They took a lot of grief for trading Betts, but that's no reason to let Bogey go for just a comp pick.

 

So much for supporting Bloom.

 

Turncoat. Some people have no loyalties.

[moonslav59]

So if he goes somewhere else at a price that the Red Sox could certainly have afforded they were right about the market I guess but they had no intention of signing him in the first place. In the eyes of many, that would make the Red Sox wrong.

 

True, if we didn't offer the same, but he chose to go.

[mvp 78]

I get the reasoning behind setting a price and not going much over it, but when you keep getting run over, you have to just bite the bullet, at some point.

 

I did not think the Story signing was a big overpay, so maybe Bloom finds more deals like his.

 

The problem is that you can't always wait for the value plays as they don't always materialize.

[moonslav59]

Turncoat. Some people have no loyalties.

 

Does loyalty to his farm building count?

[mvp 78]

You’re assuming their voiced interest in Bogaerts actually indicates interest in Bogaerts…

 

Doing that would just pull the rug out from under the fanbase if they don't actually want Bogey though.

[mvp 78]

Wouldn't that be playing the public?

 

It would be a very s***** thing to do.

[notin]

It would be a very s***** thing to do.

 

Point?

[notin]

Doing that would just pull the rug out from under the fanbase if they don't actually want Bogey though.

 

At the very least, e don’t know if their interest in Bogaerts is greater or less than anyone else’s, as measured in US dollars…

[mvp 78]

Point?

 

Maybe ownership needs to consider the impact their nonsense has on the fanbase? Maybe they need to retain homegrown players because fans would like it? Maybe they should be less s***** sometimes?

[Old Red]

Doing that would just pull the rug out from under the fanbase if they don't actually want Bogey though.

 

The fan base should have learned from the Lester situation, and also the lowball offer to Bogey last offseason to not get their hopes up.

[notin]

Maybe ownership needs to consider the impact their nonsense has on the fanbase? Maybe they need to retain homegrown players because fans would like it? Maybe they should be less s***** sometimes?

 

Maybe.

 

Of course right now all we’re doing is theorizing on their motives. Until these motives become reality, explaining is really not required…

[notin]

Maybe.

 

Of course right now all we’re doing is theorizing on their motives. Until these motives become reality, explaining is really not required…

 

Not to mention, Bogaerts may have his own thoughts on the subject. And ultimately it’s Bogaerts who makes the final decision…

[Old Red]

Maybe ownership needs to consider the impact their nonsense has on the fanbase? Maybe they need to retain homegrown players because fans would like it? Maybe they should be less s***** sometimes?

 

I would say this is mostly on JH, but I don’t know if Bloom was specifically told what offer to give Bogey last offseason. At any rate that sent a very bad message especially to Bogey.

[notin]

I would say this is mostly on JH, but I don’t know if Bloom was specifically told what offer to give Bogey last offseason. At any rate that sent a very bad message especially to Bogey.

 

What exactly is on JH?

[Old Red]

What exactly is on JH?

 

Is this a trick question? The answer is pretty obvious, and already answered.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Old Red

[cp176]

It would be a very s***** thing to do.

 

Numerous times we have heard from Red Sox management that the signing of Bogaerts was a very very high priority. I think going forward, if he signs with anyone else for a number that the Red Sox could have matched if they had chosen to, then in the future they just should say nothing to us about their goals. It is a crappy way to do business and they will stand the chance of alienating even more of their fan base.