Sox hitting??

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody every said third is the worst spot in the order of course. Kimmi said it's the fifth-best spot. Somebody has to stick up for her.

[mvp 78]

Nobody every said third is the worst spot in the order of course. Kimmi said it's the fifth-best spot. Somebody has to stick up for her.

 

The worst spot is wherever Moreland is hitting, obviously.

[cp176]

this is how i felt about Espinoza.

 

I know!!!

[Slasher9]

...i'm down at the jersey shore the past couple weeks so not on as much as usual. but i could have sworn i read in this thread that some think that lin should bat leadoff.

someone please tell me that is a joke as it made me go into a slight seizure....

i'm going to shut my laptop off now, take Manny to the ballfield for some groundballs, and go lay on the beach.

[cp176]

we should move him to 3rd where your worst batter should bat.

 

I kind of have come to the conclusion that with this little bunch it really doesn't matter where any of them hit. You never know though when you are going to get an accidental HR!

[devildavid]

Better than my post about giving Pandas a bad name? I take umbrage.

 

You better. They're predicting rain.

[cp176]

You better. They're predicting rain.

 

I like - I thought Umbrage umped the game Sale pitched the other night!

[a700hitter]

you better. They're predicting rain.

lol!

[Kimmi]

Nobody every said third is the worst spot in the order of course. Kimmi said it's the fifth-best spot. Somebody has to stick up for her.

 

An additional point about batting orders is that they should be set based on credible projections, and not based on in season performance to date, especially not based on performance over the past 2-4 weeks.

 

Current credible projections, which include season performance to date, correlate much better to how a batter will perform the remainder of the season than how hot or cold a batter has been over the last month.

 

The good news is, it seems that managers are coming around somewhat in terms of putting their best OBP guy in the lead off spot and putting one of their best hitters in the #2 spot.

[mvp 78]

An additional point about batting orders is that they should be set based on credible projections, and not based on in season performance to date, especially not based on performance over the past 2-4 weeks.

 

Current credible projections, which include season performance to date, correlate much better to how a batter will perform the remainder of the season than how hot or cold a batter has been over the last month.

 

The good news is, it seems that managers are coming around somewhat in terms of putting their best OBP guy in the lead off spot and putting one of their best hitters in the #2 spot.

 

What about things like alternating handedness? Are there any theories that state that it doesn't really matter?

[jad]

OK. I'll bite. Define "current credible projections."

[Nick]

Maybe DD should ASK OUR PITCHERS IF THEY WANT DEVERS IN THE LINEUP.

 

We're going to pay $30M to Betts? No position player on this team is worth more than $20M.

[Jasonbay44]

Maybe DD should ASK OUR PITCHERS IF THEY WANT DEVERS IN THE LINEUP.

 

We're going to pay $30M to Betts? No position player on this team is worth more than $20M.

 

Mookie is on pace for another 9+ WAR season. He absolutely will get 30+ million and I am 100% fine giving it to him.

[Nick]

Mookie is on pace for another 9+ WAR season. He absolutely will get 30+ million and I am 100% fine giving it to him.

 

Every time I say something bad about Mookie, he comes through. Count it.

[moonslav59]

Mookie is on pace for another 9+ WAR season. He absolutely will get 30+ million and I am 100% fine giving it to him.

 

I'd give him a $33M x 8 right now (that starts after his last arb year).

[Larry Cook]

I'd give him a $33M x 8 right now (that starts after his last arb year).

 

Would you include any options for the player to opt out after a certain number of years? They seem to be common place now.

[moonslav59]

Would you include any options for the player to opt out after a certain number of years? They seem to be common place now.

 

If it is need to get Betts to agree to an extension before reaching free agency, then yes.

[Bellhorn04]

8 out of the last 10 games we've scored 3 runs or less. And we're back to the middle of the pack in runs scored per game. Our high OBP is offset by our dismal SLG, I'm afraid.

[oldtimer]

An additional point about batting orders is that they should be set based on credible projections, and not based on in season performance to date, especially not based on performance over the past 2-4 weeks.

 

Current credible projections, which include season performance to date, correlate much better to how a batter will perform the remainder of the season than how hot or cold a batter has been over the last month.

 

The good news is, it seems that managers are coming around somewhat in terms of putting their best OBP guy in the lead off spot and putting one of their best hitters in the #2 spot.

 

I am not certain of what you mean by credible projects if they are not based on in season performance to date, nor based on performance during the last 2 to 4 weeks.

Who are the projections credible to? A for instance Moreland had a good first half but has been slumping and his performance in the second half last year was a prolonged slump. How would a credible projection be developed for him?

[oldtimer]

8 out of the last 10 games we've scored 3 runs or less. And we're back to the middle of the pack in runs scored per game. Our high OBP is offset by our dismal SLG, I'm afraid.

 

The middle of our lineup is not hitting enough to help the team. Bogey, Moreland and Hanley combined are not getting much done. Hanley at least has contributed a few times.

 

Pedroia is our rock and Beni has a beautiful swing. He will improve his pitch recognition over time. JBJ has come along from a long looping swing earlier and has now flattened it a bit and has been a threat.

 

Somehow we need to couple our hitters together and move the weaker ones down if we wish to scorI am not an advocate of an all or nothing hitter who can give you 30 HRs a year but hit 200 to do it with a high strikeout total. I don't forsee a way forward but will see what DD can pull off. Improvement is needed and he knows it.

[cp176]

Maybe DD should ASK OUR PITCHERS IF THEY WANT DEVERS IN THE LINEUP.

 

We're going to pay $30M to Betts? No position player on this team is worth more than $20M.

 

I'm with you for the most part. Although I think that we are fortunate to have the outfield that we have in may respects, I don't think I would go nuts over signing any of them long term right now. I kind of think that Bradley looks like the Bradley we can expect to have going forward. As for Benintendi and Betts, I don't know. If anybody is going to get between 20 and 30 million I'm thinking that that ought to be giving more at the plate. Good solid players but Trout like getting Trout like money, I don't think so. They need some bigger and better bats in the heart of that order - 3,4 and 5.

[cp176]

I'm betting that DD sees what most of us are seeing right now. Trading Shaw and really counting on Sandoval - did not work. Betting on Ramirez to have another very productive year and Moreland to hit and field adequately to make up for the loss of Ortiz's big bat in the heart of the order, has not worked. If all of the other little bats in the lineup were producing better than they ever have, then probably the runs would come. I think that this pitching staff is going to get us the east but going forward one way or another we will see some different run producers coming through.

[Nick]

I'm betting that DD sees what most of us are seeing right now. Trading Shaw and really counting on Sandoval - did not work. Betting on Ramirez to have another very productive year and Moreland to hit and field adequately to make up for the loss of Ortiz's big bat in the heart of the order, has not worked. If all of the other little bats in the lineup were producing better than they ever have, then probably the runs would come. I think that this pitching staff is going to get us the east but going forward one way or another we will see some different run producers coming through.

 

There's a reason old school in many cases work.

 

DH, 3B, 1B, LF, RF should be power positions. We're not getting much power from those 5 positions in combination. And you can throw me all the OPS you want at me. I don't see power. We have 'boys' built bodies going up against men.

 

Team Building.

 

1) Build a starting pitching staff that can compete 1-5. We now have it (assuming everyone is healthy).

2) Button down closer. We have it.

3) Reliable bullpen. We're little thin. We could use reinforcement.

4) Score runs. There's no substitute for home runs. Knowing we have to put together walk/hit combination of 3 just to score a run puts tremendous pressure on our position players.

 

LETS f***ING MAKE SURE DEVERS IS 100% READY WHILE THE SHIP GOES DOWN. WHAT A f***ING IDIOTS.

Edited July 18, 2017 by Nick

[Hugh2]

Maybe DD should ASK OUR PITCHERS IF THEY WANT DEVERS IN THE LINEUP.

 

We're going to pay $30M to Betts? No position player on this team is worth more than $20M.

 

A player is worth what any team is willing to pay them. You bets believe someone like Mookie is going to get more than 20 million per annum in free agency. If you aren't willing to dish that money out you better have a stud waiting.

 

As of right now, the Sox have nothing in the outfield in the minors.

[cp176]

There's a reason old school in many cases work.

 

DH, 3B, 1B, LF, RF should be power positions. We're not getting much power from those 5 positions in combination. And you can throw me all the OPS you want at me. I don't see power. We have 'boys' built bodies going up against men.

 

Team Building.

 

1) Build a starting pitching staff that can compete 1-5. We now have it (assuming everyone is healthy).

2) Button down closer. We have it.

3) Reliable bullpen. We're little thin. We could use reinforcement.

4) Score runs. There's no substitute for home runs. Knowing we have to put together walk/hit combination of 3 just to score a run puts tremendous pressure on our position players.

 

LETS f***ING MAKE SURE DEVERS IS 100% READY WHILE THE SHIP GOES DOWN. WHAT A f***ING IDIOTS.

 

I'm all done with this old school vs new school though. For me it really is the common sense school. I think that our current GM gets it.

[cp176]

A player is worth what any team is willing to pay them. You bets believe someone like Mookie is going to get more than 20 million per annum in free agency. If you aren't willing to dish that money out you better have a stud waiting.

 

As of right now, the Sox have nothing in the outfield in the minors.

 

 

For a team that is just petrified of ever going over the luxury tax (that is just humorous sarcasm), 20 mil is a long way from 30 mil.

[Hugh2]

For a team that is just petrified of ever going over the luxury tax (that is just humorous sarcasm), 20 mil is a long way from 30 mil.

 

Oh I get it, 20 million isn't what it used to be, today 30 million is the new 20 million.

 

I feel weird saying that, I'd literally kill a man for $20 million dollars.....a bad man, but still, straight up murder.

[oldtimer]

For a team that is just petrified of ever going over the luxury tax (that is just humorous sarcasm), 20 mil is a long way from 30 mil.

 

Throwing money at players doesn't guarantee winning. Look at the terrible results with Sandoval, Castillo, Craig and Rameriz. We got a partial hit on one and have a very expensive DH to show for all that payroll. I would not jump in with both feet this year. It won't get us a WS anyway. DD should do what he can within the economics which will reset the Luxury tax and try to avoid similar mistakaes going forward.

[Hugh2]

Throwing money at players doesn't guarantee winning. Look at the terrible results with Sandoval, Castillo, Craig and Rameriz. We got a partial hit on one and have a very expensive DH to show for all that payroll. I would not jump in with both feet this year. It won't get us a WS anyway. DD should do what he can within the economics which will reset the Luxury tax and try to avoid similar mistakaes going forward.

 

There's more than one way to skin a cat but seeing how we've depleted the majority of our farm system we seemed to have put our eggs into the team we have now + what we can spend over the next several years.

[cp176]

Oh I get it, 20 million isn't what it used to be, today 30 million is the new 20 million.

 

I feel weird saying that, I'd literally kill a man for $20 million dollars.....a bad man, but still, straight up murder.

 

Oh I think that you are right about the 30 being the new 20 sadly. As for the other stuff - there are easier ways to make the millions. you could move up here and sell legal Marijuana for instance. LOL