A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[Old Red]

@jcmccaffrey

Cora says on WEEI that Wilyer Abreu is headed to the IL with an ankle sprain and is going to see a specialist

 

Bobby D to the rescue, and in RF tonight.

[dgalehouse]

Bobby D to the rescue, and in RF tonight.

 

Is this Bobby's last chance ? Maybe this time is the charm and he clicks .

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

Cora says on WEEI that Wilyer Abreu is headed to the IL with an ankle sprain and is going to see a specialist

 

@alexspeier

Abreu says an MRI revealed a lot of inflammation in the ankle. He just needs to rest and let the swelling subside. He’s hopeful he won’t need more than 10 days.

[mvp 78]

Is this Bobby's last chance ? Maybe this time is the charm and he clicks .

 

I believe he can be sent up and down 3 more times this season. He has to make the Opening Day roster next season for be DFA'd.

[mvp 78]

Bobby D to the rescue, and in RF tonight.

 

He has the cannon for it.

[notin]

Is this Bobby's last chance ? Maybe this time is the charm and he clicks .

 

His last chance will involve converting to pitching…

[Bellhorn04]

Is this Bobby's last chance ? Maybe this time is the charm and he clicks .

 

The good news is he's seeing a lefty tonight. The bad news is it's Fried.

[Bellhorn04]

The OPS slugfest between Dalbec and Grissom goes on.

[notin]

The good news is he's seeing a lefty tonight. The bad news is it's Fried.

 

Dalbec has a .296 OPS vs LHP this year. The Braves could match him up with Charlie Morton using his left arm to pitch and it would probably be effective…

[moonslav59]

Yes. It was a simple reply to Nick's post. It is pretty much just common sense that you shouldn't add to your bank account while your house falls into disrepair. But Moon has to be disagreeable. " Don't replace the roof every year. " Really ?

 

There comes a point where replacing the same thing every year gets you to move away, or stop buying shingles made of paper.

 

It seems JH is happy with paper shingles.

[moonslav59]

Sox injury update, according to ESPN:

 

Expected return to action date (not MLB)

June 4 I Campbell is rehabbing in AAA

June 5 O'Neill: begins rehab today

June 8 Mata: might be DFA'd when ready

June 11 Romy G; should be MLB ready on the 11TH

June 11 Yoshida: should begin rehab assignment this week

June 12 Grissom: getting imaging

June 13 Abreu: 10 day IL

June 19 Martin: will be placed on 15 day IL

July 9 Casas: taking grounders at 1B

August 1 Hendriks

2025 Giolito, Story, Whitlock & Murphy

 

 

 

[Nick]

Sox injury update, according to ESPN:

 

Expected return to action date (not MLB)

June 4 I Campbell is rehabbing in AAA

June 5 O'Neill: begins rehab today

June 8 Mata: might be DFA'd when ready

June 11 Romy G; should be MLB ready on the 11TH

June 11 Yoshida: should begin rehab assignment this week

June 12 Grissom: getting imaging

June 13 Abreu: 10 day IL

June 19 Martin: will be placed on 15 day IL

July 9 Casas: taking grounders at 1B

August 1 Hendriks

2025 Giolito, Story, Whitlock & Murphy

 

 

 

 

This is the report Henry sees.......

[mvp 78]

@BOSSportsGordo

Tyler O’Neill will be activated for this afternoon’s game, Craig Breslow said

[moonslav59]

This is the report Henry sees.......

 

When you look at how our highest paid players have been injured, underperformed, or both in the last 5.3 years, there is some reason to consider on why JH has pulled in the strings on spending large and long.

 

I'm not defending his choices, but it's not like spending bigly has worked for him.

[mvp 78]

When you look at how our highest paid players have been injured, underperformed, or both in the last 5.3 years, there is some reason to consider on why JH has pulled in the strings on spending large and long.

 

I'm not defending his choices, but it's not like spending bigly has worked for him.

 

It worked in 2004. It worked in 2007 (9 out of top 10 salaries came from outside the org). It worked in 2013 (they don't win w/o FA infusion). It worked in 2018 (#1 in payroll).

[Duran Is The Man]

When you look at how our highest paid players have been injured, underperformed, or both in the last 5.3 years, there is some reason to consider on why JH has pulled in the strings on spending large and long.

 

I'm not defending his choices, but it's not like spending bigly has worked for him.

 

i don't think the problem is spending bigly, it's spending bigly on THE WRONG PLAYERS.

[moonslav59]

It worked in 2004. It worked in 2007 (9 out of top 10 salaries came from outside the org). It worked in 2013 (they don't win w/o FA infusion). It worked in 2018 (#1 in payroll).

 

No doubt. The top FAs we signed, mostly did well or okay. Hardly any were major busts or spent over half their time on the IL.

 

2018:

31 Price

22 JD

22 HRam did okay in '18

21 Porcello

14 Pedey

13 Kimbrel

13 Sale

11 Betts

9 Pom Pom

7 Bogey

7 Moreland

6 JBJ

4 Nunez

 

2013

16 Lackey

15 Ortiz (2 yr deal)

13 Dempster (opted out of 2 yr deal)

13 Vic (only did well in '13)

12 Lester

10 Pedey

10 S Drew

9 Jake

7 Hanrahan

6 Buch 16 GS but did great

5 Gomes

5 Napoli

5 Salty

4 Uehara what a steal!

4 Bailey

 

Look how little RED there is.

[moonslav59]

i don't think the problem is spending bigly, it's spending bigly on THE WRONG PLAYERS.

 

That has been my major point, all along, although cuts in spending has not helped matters.

 

When you try to fix a rotation with $10M/1 guys, the odds they will not do well goes up.

 

Our highest SP'er signing since Sale & Nate was Gio, and he promptly joined the IL gang.

[moonslav59]

Best MLB ERAs w 42+ IP

 

Blue= available, this past winter

 

1.70 R Suarez

1.82 Gil

#3 1.85 Houck (8th in IP)

1.88 Imanaga

1.97 Skubal

2.23 Wheeler (3rd in IP)

2.13 S Lugo (1st in IP)

2.26 Burnes (5th IP)

2.27 Assad

2.37 T Anderson (10th IP)

2.48 Olson

2.63 Singer

2.71 Sanchez

2.71 Hicks

2.73 Stroman

2.78 Berrios

2.78 Blanco

2.70 Nate

2.84 Nola (2nd in IP)

2.90 Stone

2.93 Glasnow (4th IP)

2.93 Fried

2.95 Webb (6th IP)

2.96 Lorenzen

2.84 Lively

2.99 Castillo (7th IP)

3.06 Gomber

3.06 Sale

3.09 Rodon

3.11 Lodolo

3.12 Fedde

3.18 B Miller

3.21 Ragans

3.22 Flaherty

3.22 Falter

3.29 Gilbert

3.29 Paxton

3.32 Yamamoto

3.33 B Brown

3.35 B Wilson

3.38 J Ryan

3.39 Abbott

3.39 J Irvin

#44. 3.40 Pivetta

 

8 pitchers

 

@53. 3.51 Crawford

 

12 pitchers

 

#65. 3.92 Criswell

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

MLB Team ERA (after Sox game)

2.75 NYY

2.93 PHI

3.19 LAD

3.25 BAL

3.35 BOS (6th in WHIP at 1.15)

3.46 SEA

3.50 CLE

3.60 KCR & ATL

3.74 DET

3.77 MIL

 

K/BB

3.6 MIN

3.5 SEA

3.4 BOS

3.3 PHI

3.2 DET

3.0 CLE, SDP, ATL, TBR

 

[a700hitter]

Martin is on the IL with anxiety issues. Go figure. His whole career has been high pressure late innings appearances and he has mastered his emotions on the mound.

[moonslav59]

100 games to go...

 

We are 31-31 and tied for 4th in the ALE w TBR.

 

WC Race

39-21 BAL

36-26 KCR

33-28 MIN

 

31-30 DET -2.0

31-31 BOS -2.5

31-31 TBR -2.5

 

29-32 TEX -4.0

29-32 TOR -4.0

28-35 HOU -6.0

 

4 games coming up vs the worst team in MLB. If we can't make a move, here, when can we?

[moonslav59]

3 v PHI

3 v NYY

3 @ TOR

3 @ CIN

3 v TOR

3 v SDP

3 @ MIA

3 @ NYY

3 v OAK

3 v KCR

 

All Star Break (4 days off)

[Nick]

Who is Nick Pivetta's agent? Nothing on Cot's.

 

What do we do with him?

 

Is it too late to extend him?

[Bellhorn04]

Who is Nick Pivetta's agent? Nothing on Cot's.

 

What do we do with him?

 

Is it too late to extend him?

 

CAA Sports per B-R.

 

Offer him 2/32 plus a team option year, something like that?

[Hugh2]

CAA Sports per B-R.

 

Offer him 2/32 plus a team option year, something like that?

 

Nick is entering free agency for the first time where he will be entering his age 32 season.

 

This might be the only chance he ever really has to get a payday, I'm not saying it can't be done, and he certainly won't command big money......but I can see someone giving him $14-16 million a year for 4 years doubling that contract size.

 

If he really likes it here, maybe you can work out a 3 year deal with some vesting options for a 4th and 5th year.

[Bellhorn04]

Nick is entering free agency for the first time where he will be entering his age 32 season.

 

This might be the only chance he ever really has to get a payday, I'm not saying it can't be done, and he certainly won't command big money......but I can see someone giving him $14-16 million a year for 4 years doubling that contract size.

 

Agreed, but if you offer it to him right now it might be too much to resist. Because anything can happen in the next 4 months.

[Hugh2]

Agreed, but if you offer it to him right now it might be too much to resist. Because anything can happen in the next 4 months.

 

Anything could of happened over the last 6 years.

 

This is his walk season, he's waited this long to go to FA, I don't think you go this long and then when you're rounding third and heading towards a pay day you take a big paycut to get security. If you're offering him 1/2 of what he may get in free agency it's just an insult on a smaller scale. It's literally Jon Lester on a smaller scale, Sox offered him half of what he got, $30 million might be half or close to half of what Pivetta could get in FA.

[Bellhorn04]

Anything could of happened over the last 6 years.

 

This is his walk season, he's waited this long to go to FA, I don't think you go this long and then when you're rounding third and heading towards a pay day you take a big paycut to get security. If you're offering him 1/2 of what he may get in free agency it's just an insult on a smaller scale. It's literally Jon Lester on a smaller scale, Sox offered him half of what he got, $30 million might be half or close to half of what Pivetta could get in FA.

 

I don't know, Pivetta is also a guy who's had a lot of ups and downs, and has been written off on a few occasions. Not really a guy who was on a clear path to a big free agent payday. I don't think 32 million guaranteed would be an insult in his case.

[Nick]

I don't know, Pivetta is also a guy who's had a lot of ups and downs, and has been written off on a few occasions. Not really a guy who was on a clear path to a big free agent payday. I don't think 32 million guaranteed would be an insult in his case.

 

I agree. Like you say, he was never in a position to 'wait' for a big payday. 32/2 plus option seems very reasonable. Going from $7.5M to $16M is a pretty good raise imho.