Chris Sale traded to Braves

[Bellhorn04]

Flashes, yes. But even the Braves wouldn’t give up anything for him unless the Sox paid the bulk of the fare. And Sale did injure his shoulder shortly after that game.

 

Again, with Sale it was never a question of ability. But there were questions of durability and availability…

 

Well, it sure seemed like you were questioning the ability part by suggesting he had no games like last night since 2019.

[notin]

Well, it sure seemed like you were questioning the ability part by suggesting he had no games like last night since 2019.

 

He only went 7 innings twice since 2019.

 

His comeback is unprecedented….

[Bellhorn04]

He only went 7 innings twice since 2019.

 

His comeback is unprecedented….

 

As they say, there's a first time for everything...

[Old Red]

He only went 7 innings twice since 2019.

 

His comeback is unprecedented….

 

Unfortunately not only is it happening in another uniform, but the Red Sox are paying him to do it. Win, Win for Sale, and the Braves. JH must be hating the fact that he’s footing the bill, and also paying Gio $38M for maybe 1 season of work.

[mvp 78]

Unfortunately not only is it happening in another uniform, but the Red Sox are paying him to do it. Win, Win for Sale, and the Braves. JH must be hating the fact that he’s footing the bill, and also paying Gio $38M for maybe 1 season of work.

 

There's a club option for 2026 if he pitches 140 innings. There's a mutual option (19M) if he pitches over 140 innings in 2025. I think he'll be here for two more years.

[notin]

Unfortunately not only is it happening in another uniform, but the Red Sox are paying him to do it. Win, Win for Sale, and the Braves. JH must be hating the fact that he’s footing the bill, and also paying Gio $38M for maybe 1 season of work.

 

I hoped on this guy for 4 years to come back and lead the Sox like he’s doing here. Maybe even 5 years, since he was nowhere near this effective back in 2019.

 

I get why the Sox tried to move him. But this deal and everything around couldn’t have gone more wrong…

Edited August 13, 2024 by notin

[Old Red]

There's a club option for 2026 if he pitches 140 innings. There's a mutual option (19M) if he pitches over 140 innings in 2025. I think he'll be here for two more years.

 

If that’s the case then hopefully they get something good out of him for those 2 years. It’s not like the money they’ll have spent on him would have been put to good use to upgrade the rotation anyway.

[dgalehouse]

Just on general principle, you don't trade a Chris Sale for a Vaughn Grissom. It angers the baseball Gods.

[notin]

Just on general principle, you don't trade a Chris Sale for a Vaughn Grissom. It angers the baseball Gods.

 

So do you think the Sox should trade for Jake deGrom this off-season? He’s only got 3 years / $115 mill left on that deal…

[Bellhorn04]

So do you think the Sox should trade for Jake deGrom this off-season? He’s only got 3 years / $115 mill left on that deal…

 

That's a whole pile more money. Size matters.

 

The Braves are only at risk for $21 million with Sale. That's about 1/6 of the deGrom number.

[Bellhorn04]

To me the bottom line is that they shouldn't have traded from the area they were most needy in. Not unless they had a firm plan to make a couple of big additions, which they obviously didn't.

[notin]

To me the bottom line is that they shouldn't have traded from the area they were most needy in. Not unless they had a firm plan to make a couple of big additions, which they obviously didn't.

 

They made one and never got to use him. The problem was not replacing Giolito. Montgomery was available and I think Snell might have been as well…

[Old Red]

So do you think the Sox should trade for Jake deGrom this off-season? He’s only got 3 years / $115 mill left on that deal…

 

If the other team is footing the bill like the Red Sox are with Sale?

[notin]

If the other team is footing the bill like the Red Sox are with Sale?

 

I’m sure Texas would kick in a rather significant portion…

[Old Red]

They made one and never got to use him. The problem was not replacing Giolito. Montgomery was available and I think Snell might have been as well…

 

They had already spent their allotted money on Gio. They wasn’t going to spend anymore.

[Old Red]

I’m sure Texas would kick in a rather significant portion…

 

Still pass.

[notin]

That's a whole pile more money. Size matters.

 

The Braves are only at risk for $21 million with Sale. That's about 1/6 of the deGrom number.

 

What if Texas kicks in half? Not unprecedented…

[Bellhorn04]

What if Texas kicks in half? Not unprecedented…

 

Sure, if Texas kicks in half it would be worth considering.

 

Not that the Sox would. They are rather risk averse these days.

[mvp 78]

What if Texas kicks in half? Not unprecedented…

 

What prospects?

[notin]

What prospects?

 

Vaughn Grissom

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

To me the bottom line is that they shouldn't have traded from the area they were most needy in. Not unless they had a firm plan to make a couple of big additions, which they obviously didn't.

 

The only firm plan was the still-mystifying -- yet forgotten (but not by me) -- opt out that would've let Giolito leave if he pitched this season in Boston and was good.

 

You think posters are complaining now about how the Sox didn't replace Giolito this year? Imagine the angst next winter if he had a '24 Sale season and led the Sox to the playoffs?

[Bellhorn04]

The only firm plan was the still-mystifying -- yet forgotten (but not by me) -- opt out that would've let Giolito leave if he pitched this season in Boston and was good.

 

I know, the structure of the contract kind of sucked in itself.

[mvp 78]

I know, the structure of the contract kind of sucked in itself.

 

In the end it doesn't even matter...

[notin]

To me the bottom line is that they shouldn't have traded from the area they were most needy in. Not unless they had a firm plan to make a couple of big additions, which they obviously didn't.

 

But wasn’t Sale a big part of the reason the Sox were needy in that area?

 

From 2020 through 2023, he was the highest paid pitcher on the Sox each year, making iver $100mill in that timeframe, and in that 4 year stretch, he pitched 151 IP with a record of 11-7, 3.93.

 

Was he part of the problem or part of the solution?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

But wasn’t Sale a big part of the reason the Sox were needy in that area?

 

From 2020 through 2023, he was the highest paid pitcher on the Sox each year, making iver $100mill in that timeframe, and in that 4 year stretch, he pitched 151 IP with a record of 11-7, 3.93.

 

Was he part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

Chris Sale wasn't part of the problem; he was the main problem -- which no Red Sox fan who followed the team closely the past half decade can deny... if we're all being honest.

 

Sale never once led the top of the starting rotation through an entire season and earn his ace paycheck during that time. He knows it and admitted it many times. Managers, coaches, teammates, front office assistant vice presidents, and owners knew it, too.

 

And yet, Sale was always being counted on to overcome whatever injury was stifling the plan and make a comeback. Over and over and out.

 

Finally, a new CBO came in and made the reasonable decision that it was time to start fresh -- no fun intended.

[moonslav59]

Chris Sale wasn't part of the problem; he was the main problem -- which no Red Sox fan who followed the team closely the past half decade can deny... if we're all being honest.

 

Sale never once led the top of the starting rotation through an entire season and earn his ace paycheck during that time. He knows it and admitted it many times. Managers, coaches, teammates, front office assistant vice presidents, and owners knew it, too.

 

And yet, Sale was always being counted on to overcome whatever injury was stifling the plan and make a comeback. Over and over and out.

 

Finally, a new CBO came in and made the reasonable decision that it was time to start fresh -- no fun intended.

 

Why no big stink over letting Martin Perez walk? We shoulda known he was on the cusp of a rebound.

 

176 IP w BOS 4.65 ERA/ 4.84 FIP (2020-2021)

338 IP w TEX 3.54 ERA/ 3.99 FIP (2022-2023)

 

(Of course, he turned back into a pumpkin half way through '23 and afterwards.

[Bellhorn04]

But wasn’t Sale a big part of the reason the Sox were needy in that area?

 

From 2020 through 2023, he was the highest paid pitcher on the Sox each year, making iver $100mill in that timeframe, and in that 4 year stretch, he pitched 151 IP with a record of 11-7, 3.93.

 

Was he part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

His absences in the 2019-2023 years were clearly a problem.

 

As for 2024, he was potentially either one.

 

Cutting him loose didn't do anything to resolve the problem, did it? And with the wisdom of hindsight, keeping him would have alleviated the problem for this year at least.

[Bellhorn04]

Why no big stink over letting Martin Perez walk? We shoulda known he was on the cusp of a rebound.

 

176 IP w BOS 4.65 ERA/ 4.84 FIP (2020-2021)

338 IP w TEX 3.54 ERA/ 3.99 FIP (2022-2023)

 

(Of course, he turned back into a pumpkin half way through '23 and afterwards.

 

There's just no valid comparison between Sale and Perez. Sale has been one of the most talented pitchers in the game for a long time. Perez had one nice run of 1.5 years or whatever it was.

[dgalehouse]

Chris Sale had a series of injuries. Tommy John being the big one. Some of the others were kind of fluky. He showed signs of getting healthy last year. I think the Sox could have been more patient with him, especially given the state of their pitching staff. He is a special talent. Martin Perez should not be mentioned in the same breath as Sale.

[Duran Is The Man]

Sale's Game Score last night was 83, his best of the season.

 

He did have an 80 last year.

 

He had a 3 game stretch in 2023 where he pitched 21 innings with 27 K's and 3 BB's.

 

The flashes of dominance were still there. Otherwise the Braves would likely not have been interested.

 

i just looked and Sale pitched 298 innings from 2019 thru 2023. so ...the Sox trade him because he was always hurt. during the same time frame, James Paxton pitches even fewer innings -268. so....the Sox sign him. and then he gets hurt. LOLOLOLOLOL...the front office idiots don't know if they're coming or going.