The Red Sox starting rotation -- long term

[Old Red]

IMO the jury is still out on whether Yoshida will prove to be a good value signing. His fWAR stands at 0.9. Not exactly setting the world on fire with that number.

 

Yoshida/GOshida/NOshida. Take your pick.

[Old Red]

Sorry, I'm disagreeing with you and Dipre on this. It's better business to sell prospects for an ace and extend than go via FA. Money has been thrown around like crazy lately and I don't really agree with the assertion that you're competing with the same amount of teams in a trade market.

I agree this is the best way to go also. The Red Sox have done better with trades than with an expensive FA signing. Cole has worked out for the Yankees, but it seems other big money signings lately haven’t worked out.

[Dipre]

It's not that I don't like the trade strategy, I just don't think the Sox have the depth (yet).

[Old Red]

It's not that I don't like the trade strategy, I just don't think the Sox have the depth (yet).

 

They don’t have an ace either.

[mvp 78]

I think Theo Epstein said a success rate of 50% or over on free agents is excellent, or words to that effect.

 

And with the FA cost?!?!? Yuck!

[notin]

IMO the jury is still out on whether Yoshida will prove to be a good value signing. His fWAR stands at 0.9. Not exactly setting the world on fire with that number.

 

Devers has 1.2fWAR. Extension justified?

[Dipre]

They don’t have an ace either.

 

What do you even mean?

[Hugh2]

The Mets, Padres, and Phillies are #1 #4 #5 in spending and are all sub .500 teams.

 

I'm ALL for spending, and I believe there's a relationship between spending and winning but it's blatantly obvious that baseball has succeeded at bringing parity to the game. You can't just throw money at the problem as Steve Cohen is teaching us this year. YOu have to develop talent as well. If you trade 4 guys for one star that's fine, that's great, but if you have a mediocre to worse system then you're only creating other holes that can't be made up for by just throwing money at the wall.

 

Look at a team like LA, yes they spend like drunken sailors, but they're looking much better than the Mets and have a much longer track record of doing it because they ALSO develop talent as well.

 

The time to start cashing in your chips is when you're up, not when you're at break even.....which is what trading for ACE would be right now. It's not just about strategy, it's also about timing.

[mvp 78]

Devers has 1.2fWAR. Extension justified?

 

Possible DFA/non-tender candidate?

[notin]

Not a chance. We don't get the top shelf stuff.

 

Yamamoto is 5’10”. Top shelf is out of his reach, too..,

[notin]

Possible DFA/non-tender candidate?

 

Either that or just keep him around for the next decade and hope it works out…

[Bellhorn04]

Devers has 1.2fWAR. Extension justified?

 

He definitely has work to do.

[Maxbialystock]

Seems Bloom kind of went in the wrong direction with the defense part...

 

Meh. Story, Chang, and the kid at AA Portland are all good defensive SS’s. Devers is Devers. 2b is ok, and so is Turner at 1b. OF also OK except for Yoshida. Wong solid at C and McGuire ok.

[Bellhorn04]

Meh. Story, Chang, and the kid at AA Portland are all good defensive SS’s. Devers is Devers. 2b is ok, and so is Turner at 1b. OF also OK except for Yoshida. Wong solid at C and McGuire ok.

 

All good then.

[Maxbialystock]

The Mets, Padres, and Phillies are #1 #4 #5 in spending and are all sub .500 teams.

 

I'm ALL for spending, and I believe there's a relationship between spending and winning but it's blatantly obvious that baseball has succeeded at bringing parity to the game. You can't just throw money at the problem as Steve Cohen is teaching us this year. YOu have to develop talent as well. If you trade 4 guys for one star that's fine, that's great, but if you have a mediocre to worse system then you're only creating other holes that can't be made up for by just throwing money at the wall.

 

Look at a team like LA, yes they spend like drunken sailors, but they're looking much better than the Mets and have a much longer track record of doing it because they ALSO develop talent as well.

 

The time to start cashing in your chips is when you're up, not when you're at break even.....which is what trading for ACE would be right now. It's not just about strategy, it's also about timing.

 

Sensible post.

[Maxbialystock]

All good then.

 

Only good on paper. On the field right now is painful.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Who?

 

Some posts here and on other forums have defended our poor CBO as a company man merely following the mandates of ownership: "His budget was so limited, he had to recruit versatile utility men or back-ups to fill several positions (some they had never played fulltime or ever at the MLB level)... for years...

 

He was only allowed to sign old castoff and rehabbing free agents for the rotation... and never allowed to trade prospects for healthy arms under 30...

 

He was forced by the PR dept. to sign a strikeout-prone infielder with a bum elbow for $160 million (which they knew would be a lot less for a replacement of the soon-to-be-departing face of the franchise)...

 

He was banned from trading most assets with expiring contracts at the last deadline, and from resigning them the next winter...

 

And then, in the ultimate PR-stunt, he was forced to pay an all-or-nothing slugger more money for the next decade than the team offered a five-tool future Hall-of-Famer in his prime (who he was hired to trade, so they didn't have to pay market rate)... "

 

If the above conjecture is actually factual -- and Chaim Bloom was just following orders and not truly responsible for such moves -- then doesn't it make sense why some reporters feel his job is safe, no matter the standings?

[Bellhorn04]

Some posts here and on other forums have defended our poor CBO as a company man merely following the mandates of ownership: "His budget was so limited, he had to recruit versatile utility men or back-ups to fill several positions (some they had never played fulltime or ever at the MLB level)... for years...

 

He was only allowed to sign old castoff and rehabbing free agents for the rotation... and never allowed to trade prospects for healthy arms under 30...

 

He was forced by the PR dept. to sign a strikeout-prone infielder with a bum elbow for $160 million (which they knew would be a lot less for a replacement of the soon-to-be-departing face of the franchise)...

 

He was banned from trading most assets with expiring contracts at the last deadline, and from resigning them the next winter...

 

And then, in the ultimate PR-stunt, he was forced to pay an all-or-nothing slugger more money for the next decade than the team offered a five-tool future Hall-of-Famer in his prime (who he was hired to trade, so they didn't have to pay market rate)... "

 

If the above conjecture is actually factual -- and Chaim Bloom was just following orders and not truly responsible for such moves -- then doesn't it make sense why some reporters feel his job is safe, no matter the standings?

 

Our guesses as to what Henry is thinking are as good as those of the reporters.

 

If attendance and ratings slide, Bloom's job evaluation may take a hit.

[mvp 78]

Either that or just keep him around for the next decade and hope it works out…

 

Ooof. I think he probably needs to be moved to 1B in the next week or so. Dude is fat and has a baby face. Also, his binky is now in SD.

[Duran Is The Man]

Meh. Story, Chang, and the kid at AA Portland are all good defensive SS’s. Devers is Devers. 2b is ok, and so is Turner at 1b. OF also OK except for Yoshida. Wong solid at C and McGuire ok.

 

only the Giants have more errors this year (50) than the Sox 48. not surprisingly, the Rays have third fewest.

[mvp 78]

only the Giants have more errors this year (50) than the Sox 48. not surprisingly, the Rays have third fewest.

 

Part CBO, part coaching, part players.

[Nick]

IMO the jury is still out on whether Yoshida will prove to be a good value signing. His fWAR stands at 0.9. Not exactly setting the world on fire with that number.

 

I hate to see what his athleticism looks like in couple of years. To me, it's an overpay for a designated hitter with no power.

 

I'm very serious about this. As other positions fill up with better talent, I'm not opposed to eating some salary and dumping him.

 

Not right now.....

[mvp 78]

I hate to see what his athleticism looks like in couple of years. To me, it's an overpay for a designated hitter with no power.

 

I'm very serious about this. As other positions fill up with better talent, I'm not opposed to eating some salary and dumping him.

 

Not right now.....

 

Masataka has the same SLG as Juan Soto. His ISO is higher than Vlad Jr's right now.

[moonslav59]

only the Giants have more errors this year (50) than the Sox 48. not surprisingly, the Rays have third fewest.

 

SF is 35-32. If only…

[Dipre]

I hate to see what his athleticism looks like in couple of years. To me, it's an overpay for a designated hitter with no power.

 

I'm very serious about this. As other positions fill up with better talent, I'm not opposed to eating some salary and dumping him.

 

Not right now.....

 

This post is a joke right?

[moonslav59]

It looks like Bello is rounding into a solid SP'er. Nothing is for sure, but he's grown more quickly than I ever expected.

 

Anything can happen, but I feel safe counting on him as our #2 in 2024 and beyond.

 

I hate to count on Sale as our #1 in 2024, so I hope we find some way to add a solid 1/2 type, but I've come to try and not get my hopes up.

 

Assuming no additions...

 

2024:

1. Sale

2. Bello

3. Whitlock

4. Houck

5. Pivetta/Crawford (Wink from pen?)

(Drohan, Mata, Walter, Murphy)

 

2025

1. Bello

2. Whitlock

3. Houck

4. Crawford

5. Drohan, Mata, Walter, Murphy (Wink)

 

2026

Same as 2025 with Perales, E R-C and Wikelman maybe in the mix

 

[mvp 78]

BOS SP are ranked #2 in fWAR MLB in June.

[notin]

BOS SP are ranked #2 in fWAR MLB in June.

 

The league must be watered down…

[mvp 78]

The league must be watered down…

 

It's those damn Zoomers. Everyone needs a ribbon these days.

[Dipre]

It's those damn Zoomers. Everyone needs a ribbon these days.

 

No, all them pitchers are being babied at the same time because they collectively lost their binkies, so the Red Sox staff, whose binkies were properly safeguarded in JH's reptilian pouch, managed to weather the storm. Lucky us!