The Red Sox starting rotation -- long term

[mvp 78]

No, all them pitchers are being babied at the same time because they collectively lost their binkies, so the Red Sox staff, whose binkies were properly safeguarded in JH's reptilian pouch, managed to weather the storm. Lucky us!

 

That's being unfair to Henry. He's no alien. He's a vampire. He's the Voivode of Fenway.

[notin]

That's being unfair to Henry. He's no alien. He's a vampire. He's the Voivode of Fenway.

 

He’s one of the Lizard People. Open your eyes!!

[Bellhorn04]

Henry has the most enigmatic smile since the Mona Lisa.

[notin]

Henry has the most enigmatic smile since the Mona Lisa.

 

Henry also eats kittens.

 

That does sound gruesome and horrific at first, but you have to bear in mind his personal chef’s recipe did get three and a half stars on allrecipes.com…

[Dipre]

Henrymort? Voldejohn? The point is, he shall not be named.

[moonslav59]

BOS SP are ranked #2 in fWAR MLB in June.

 

Not much lower since May 16th, either.

[moonslav59]

The league must be watered down…

 

...with yellow water.

[mvp 78]

Henrymort? Voldejohn? The point is, he shall not be named.

 

Stay off of the Voivode's TERF.

[mvp 78]

@yakyucosmo

A Boston Red Sox scout was spotted in the crowd of the Buffaloes-Hawks game.

 

Unfortunately, Yoshinobu Yamamoto had one of his worst starts of the year (though he still managed to fight through 6 innings).

[Dipre]

Yama-San is my spirit animal.

[mvp 78]

Yama-San is my spirit animal.

 

Your spirit animal needs to pitch better in front of Sox scouts.

[Dipre]

Your spirit animal needs to pitch better in front of Sox scouts.

 

Sox scouts have a way of jinxing good pitching.

[Hugh2]

FYI

 

 

This is the guy I’ve been talking up here for a while. I think the Sox need to be heavily invested in Yama.

[notin]

The Rays are in on Flexen. The SP-depleted Sox are oddly silent…

[Duran Is The Man]

The Rays are in on Flexen. The SP-depleted Sox are oddly silent…

 

 

his numbers are awful. why would they be? what am i missing?

[moonslav59]

The Rays are in on Flexen. The SP-depleted Sox are oddly silent…

 

Well, they were in on Diekman and Littell.

[Bellhorn04]

his numbers are awful. why would they be? what am i missing?

 

How many times have we seen a pitcher turn it around when he goes to another team? The acquiring team might have noticed a mechanical flaw in his delivery, or they might recommend he throw his changeup more etc. Sometimes one little tweak is all it takes. And if it turns out the guy is just cooked, you haven't lost much.

[moonslav59]

How many times have we seen a pitcher turn it around when he goes to another team? The acquiring team might have noticed a mechanical flaw in his delivery, or they might recommend he throw his changeup more etc. Sometimes one little tweak is all it takes. And if it turns out the guy is just cooked, you haven't lost much.

 

True.

 

Maybe the Rays know what tweak is needed, and we don’t.

[Hugh2]

Weei they’re talking about not trading Paxton and signing him to help with this young rotation.

 

I could not disagree more. I’m all for keeping Paxton if the Sox want to stay in it. I’d rather try to make a run this year and just offer him a QO

[moonslav59]

Weei they’re talking about not trading Paxton and signing him to help with this young rotation.

 

I could not disagree more. I’m all for keeping Paxton if the Sox want to stay in it. I’d rather try to make a run this year and just offer him a QO

 

Am I reading this wrongly, or did you misplace a word or two?

[Bellhorn04]

Am I reading this wrongly, or did you misplace a word or two?

 

I was also confused.

[Jasonbay44]

The Paxton dilemma is a tough one. He’s pitching great and a lot of contenders could use another starter. The Sox are in a tough spot, they’re not bad by means, but making the playoffs is going to be very tough with the rotation in shambles. If a team comes calling and panics and offers some good prospects, it would be hard to pass that up. Especially when you factor in some of the teams reportedly interested are teams like Reds and Dodgers who have some really enticing prospects.

[moonslav59]

The Paxton dilemma is a tough one. He’s pitching great and a lot of contenders could use another starter. The Sox are in a tough spot, they’re not bad by means, but making the playoffs is going to be very tough with the rotation in shambles. If a team comes calling and panics and offers some good prospects, it would be hard to pass that up. Especially when you factor in some of the teams reportedly interested are teams like Reds and Dodgers who have some really enticing prospects.

 

What makes it tougher is the fact that several SP'ers are supposed to return, perhaps Houck and Whitlock right after the AS break and Sale near the trade deadline. How good will they be? Houck & Whitlock have not been all that good, so far. Sale was really finding his groove and may not find it again.

 

If we can get to 4 games over .500 (an 85 win pace) missing over 30 GS'd by our top 5 SP'ers (and I'm not counting Kluber or Pivetta as top 5,) maybe we can improve, greatly with their return plus Story, Schreiber and others.

 

How can our current roster not improve by replacing these guys with these other guys:

 

Scott> Houck

Jacques> Whitlock

Murphy> Schreiber

Walter>Sale

Trade Arroyo, Duvall or Kike > Story

Alfaro> McGuire

 

I'm not sure what most of Red Sox Nation thinks, but these 26 man roster looks pretty damn salid to me. We could even add a SP'er at the deadline and be better.

 

SP: Bello, Paxton, Sale, Whitlock, Houck or player acquired by trade

LR: Houck or player acquired by trade, Crawford, Pivetta, Winckowski

SR: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Bernardino/Bleier/Joely/Walter/Murphy

 

C: Wong & McGuire or Alfaro

1B: Casas (Turner)

2B: Kike, Arroyo/Chang

SS: Story, Chang

3B: Devers (Turner)

LF: Yoshida, Refsnyder

CF: Duran, Duvall (if not traded)

RF: Dugo (Duvall)

DH: Turner (Yoshida)

 

People laughed at this group back in March, and many still are, but I'm liking our outlook, right now and going forward into the next few years. (I realize my opinion might change in 2-3 weeks, but I'm staying hopeful.)

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

How can our current roster not improve by replacing these guys with these other guys:

 

Scott> Houck

Jacques> Whitlock

Murphy> Schreiber

Walter>Sale

Trade Arroyo, Duvall or Kike > Story

Alfaro> McGuire

 

 

 

Assuming your question was rhetorical -- and not entirely logical... because we all know that no one coming off any kind of physical injury is guaranteed to bounce back as good as new.

 

Plus, Murphy, Walter and even Jacques at times haven't been all bad.

 

But if the front office is serious about going for it, Bloom really needs to add a healthy, decent pitcher. And Red Sox players are already talking about expecting outside help by the deadline.

[Hugh2]

Am I reading this wrongly, or did you misplace a word or two?

 

Yeah, I did. I would rather sign a Yama, Giolito, Ohtani, Urias, or Nola to headline the group. With a strong preference for Nola.

 

On top of that I wouldn’t trade him. I’d take offer the QO and take the pic. Sox could get hot down the stretch.

[Hugh2]

Assuming your question was rhetorical -- and not entirely logical... because we all know that no one coming off any kind of physical injury is guaranteed to bounce back as good as new.

 

Plus, Murphy, Walter and even Jacques at times haven't been all bad.

 

But if the front office is serious about going for it, Bloom really needs to add a healthy, decent pitcher. And Red Sox players are already talking about expecting outside help by the deadline.

 

No, but guys often do, odds are at least one of those guys will stink coming back, aside from Story it’s not like any of those guys are coming off a big surgery.

 

It’s very logical to expect those guys to improve this team.

 

It’s totally fair however to speculate additional firepower added.

[moonslav59]

Assuming your question was rhetorical -- and not entirely logical... because we all know that no one coming off any kind of physical injury is guaranteed to bounce back as good as new.

 

Plus, Murphy, Walter and even Jacques at times haven't been all bad.

 

But if the front office is serious about going for it, Bloom really needs to add a healthy, decent pitcher. And Red Sox players are already talking about expecting outside help by the deadline.

 

It was a logical question.

 

If one or two of these guys don't come back, we don't get worse- we stay the same at their slots.

 

I do agree on being a buyer for a solid SP'er, if we want to make a move for a 2023 ring, but I'm not sure the improved chances would be worth trading some of the future away for.

 

Now, if we trade for a longer term SP'er, I'm listening.

 

Nobody gives us a good SP'er for Duvall & Dalbec, so who do we give up?

 

Do we give up much for a rental?

 

Bloom's biggest rental trade, so far was Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber.

 

Could we trade Duvall and Dalbec for prospects, then flip them plus Rafaela and Mata for a solid SP with more than 1 year of control? Do we add Walter or Murphy to sweeten the deal? Romero?

 

I doubt we trade any key prospects, this deadline.

[moonslav59]

No, but guys often do, odds are at least one of those guys will stink coming back, aside from Story it’s not like any of those guys are coming off a big surgery.

 

It’s very logical to expect those guys to improve this team.

 

It’s totally fair however to speculate additional firepower added.

 

We don't need all of these guys to do great or even good to add a big boost. The sheer number of returning good players makes the odds pretty good that 1-2 or maybe even 3 do well, upon returning. (I didn't even list everyone.)

 

Story

Sale

Whitlock

Houck

Schreiber

McGuire

 

Longshots to help:

Joely (just returned)

Kelly

Mondesi

Mills

Bleier

Kluber

 

Not hoping these guys comeback:

Ort

[Randy Red Sox]

We may as well trade Mata as that will rid the system of all the DD pitching prospects as Bloom basically GAVE away Groome, Ward, Song to keep such studs as Ort and Brasier on the roster.

It was a logical question.

 

If one or two of these guys don't come back, we don't get worse- we stay the same at their slots.

 

I do agree on being a buyer for a solid SP'er, if we want to make a move for a 2023 ring, but I'm not sure the improved chances would be worth trading some of the future away for.

 

Now, if we trade for a longer term SP'er, I'm listening.

 

Nobody gives us a good SP'er for Duvall & Dalbec, so who do we give up?

 

Do we give up much for a rental?

 

Bloom's biggest rental trade, so far was Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber.

 

Could we trade Duvall and Dalbec for prospects, then flip them plus Rafaela and Mata for a solid SP with more than 1 year of control? Do we add Walter or Murphy to sweeten the deal? Romero?

 

I doubt we trade any key prospects, this deadline.

[Hugh2]

We may as well trade Mata as that will rid the system of all the DD pitching prospects as Bloom basically GAVE away Groome, Ward, Song to keep such studs as Ort and Brasier on the roster.

 

Hold on a second, this needs critique.

 

Grooms was no longer a prospect, he was a bust. He’s 24, in AAA rocking a 8.29 ERA.

 

Song. Unprecedented situation, and a total dick move by DD possibly messing up the kids career. Also, he ain’t the same guy. He touched 99 with the Sox, he’s sitting at 90 now. He’s not the same guy.

 

Ward - I’ll give you this one. He should have been protected. But he’s not exactly lighting the world on fire either with his 7.12 ERA, walking over 7 batters per 9.

 

None of those guys are burning us.