A Realistic View at 2021: Part III

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Bobby Dalbec has now played in 119 MLB games.

 

.775 OPS

22 HR

68 RBI

 

Some would say that's pretty good for the first 3/4 of your first MLB season.

 

As far as bombs off bad pitchers - everybody fattens up their numbers that way.

 

Glad to see a response to one of my posts for a change. While I hear what you are saying, and I am in no way giving up on Dalbec, those numbers are a bit inflated due to his 2020. We'll see.

[iortiz]

Bobby Dalbec has now played in 119 MLB games.

 

.775 OPS

22 HR

68 RBI

 

Some would say that's pretty good for the first 3/4 of your first MLB season.

 

As far as bombs off bad pitchers - everybody fattens up their numbers that way.

Next year he will be better. I projected while ago something like 250/320/800 for him.

[Nick]

This pathetic Orioles team will be paying Chris Davis $23M next year too. Was there a bigger bust?

 

Full Disclosure;

 

I'm pretty sure I thought I wanted him at one point.

 

I was strong advocate for Stanton too. Most of it had to do with his front loaded contract.

 

It's good that I'm not the GM.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

Games Remaining

 

3-4 Rays

3-3 Yanks

3-3 Orioles

3-3 Guardians

3-0 Rangers

2-0 Mets

0-3 White Sox

0-3 Seattle

 

No more Toronto. We have 6 vs Orioles.

[moonslav59]

Top 3 to bottom 3 according to who's official rankings? If the bunch of nobodies that D.D. traded caused that shift , then the ratings are meaningless. More importantly, the Red Sox ( the parent club) went from last place to first . And that's a fact , not the opinion of some dork with a website.

 

Again, why not respond to the point we actually made: DD traded an extreme amount of prospects- whether they ended up being good or not is a separate issue that nobody is disagree with you on.

[iortiz]

Games Remaining

 

3-4 Rays

3-3 Yanks

3-3 Orioles

3-3 Guardians

3-0 Rangers

2-0 Mets

0-3 White Sox

0-3 Seattle

 

No more Toronto. We have 6 vs Orioles.

 

This is a win-the-division schedule.

[moonslav59]

Games Remaining

 

3-4 Rays

3-3 Yanks

3-3 Orioles

3-3 Guardians

3-0 Rangers

2-0 Mets

0-3 White Sox

0-3 Seattle

 

No more Toronto. We have 6 vs Orioles.

 

Now, look at Oakland's remaining games:

 

3-4 CWS

6-3 SEA

3-3 HOU

4-0 NYY

3-0 SFG

3-0 TEX

0-3 TOR

0-3 LAA

0-3 DET

0-3 KCR

 

The Yanks...

4-3 TOR

3-3 BOS

3-3 BAL

4-0 MIN

0-4 OAK

1-3 LAA

3-0 TBR

3-0 NYM

3-0 CLE

3-0 TEX

0-2 ATL

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

This is a win-the-division schedule.

 

Absolutely, and if you look at Oakland's schedule, the WC1 slot should be ours, if we fall short of winning the ALE.

 

It's funny how a 3 games series against a team like the O's can change so many perspectives.

 

This schedule was there to see before this series, too.

[Nick]

Now, look at Oakland's remaining games:

 

3-4 CWS

6-3 SEA

3-3 HOU

4-0 NYY

3-0 SFG

3-0 TEX

0-3 TOR

0-3 LAA

0-3 DET

0-3 KCR

 

The Yanks...

4-3 TOR

3-3 BOS

3-3 BAL

4-0 MIN

0-4 OAK

3-0 TBR

3-0 NYM

3-0 CLE

3-0 TEX

0-3 LAA

0-2 ATL

1-0 LAA

 

 

If we sweep the last six games vs Orioles, we just need to play .500 against the others to get to 92 wins. (24-18)

 

Yankees would have to go 27-18 to tie us. I like our chances.

[iortiz]

Now, look at Oakland's remaining games:

 

3-4 CWS

6-3 SEA

3-3 HOU

4-0 NYY

3-0 SFG

3-0 TEX

0-3 TOR

0-3 LAA

0-3 DET

0-3 KCR

 

The Yanks...

4-3 TOR

3-3 BOS

3-3 BAL

4-0 MIN

0-4 OAK

3-0 TBR

3-0 NYM

3-0 CLE

3-0 TEX

0-3 LAA

0-2 ATL

1-0 LAA

 

 

Even the “weak” teams they have to face, imo are tougher too.

[User Name]

"Streaky" is way overused as a pejorative. Look at Mookie's game logs this year. He's streaky too. Many of the best hitters are.

 

Every hitter in the history of the game has been streaky. It's the nature of the sport.

[User Name]

Not.

 

 

At Houck’s age, Sale had 3 top 6 Cy Young finishes.

 

Houck’s career to date is 47 IP. He deserves to be in the rotation today, but any comp to Sale is way premature

 

Why is the phrase "similar profile" so difficult to understand?

[moonslav59]

Even the “weak” teams they have to face, imo are tougher too.

 

Yes, LAA & CLE are no push-overs

[Maxbialystock]

Absolutely, and if you look at Oakland's schedule, the WC1 slot should be ours, if we fall short of winning the ALE.

 

It's funny how a 3 games series against a team like the O's can change so many perspectives.

 

This schedule was there to see before this series, too.

 

Love the three wins and especially how they stopped the Sox bleeding and gave them a new lease on life. But the Orioles right now are just awful, coming up are the Yankees, and they are now a big deal.

[Nick]

Love the three wins and especially how they stopped the Sox bleeding and gave them a new lease on life. But the Orioles right now are just awful, coming up are the Yankees, and they are now a big deal.

 

I'm not sure if you were serious about Schwarber but starters have pitched well the last few games. I'm pretty optimistic.

Edited August 15, 2021 by Nick

[harmony]

Absolutely, and if you look at Oakland's schedule, the WC1 slot should be ours, if we fall short of winning the ALE.

 

It's funny how a 3 games series against a team like the O's can change so many perspectives.

 

This schedule was there to see before this series, too.

Oakland has the misfortune of playing its interleague games against the powerful NL West (against whom AL West teams have a 33-44 .429) record) while the Red Sox play its interleague games against the weaker NL East (against whom the AL East teams have a 60-27 .690 record).

 

The unbalanced schedule gives the Red Sox the edge over the Athletics in the Wild Card race.

Edited August 15, 2021 by harmony

[dgalehouse]

Again, why not respond to the point we actually made: DD traded an extreme amount of prospects- whether they ended up being good or not is a separate issue that nobody is disagree with you on.

 

What I am saying is that he got rid of mostly trash. What you and Kimmi are saying is , " Yeah, but he got rid of too much trash." The prospects he traded were easily replaced and long forgotten. It didn't hurt our future one iota.

[Nick]

Wow, Rays lose in bottom of 9th....they don't lose many of those.....

[moonslav59]

What I am saying is that he got rid of mostly trash. What you and Kimmi are saying is , " Yeah, but he got rid of too much trash." The prospects he traded were easily replaced and long forgotten. It didn't hurt our future one iota.

 

Again, nobody is arguing with your point, but you asked what was extreme, and we said the amount of prospects traded in a short time- not the quality- the quantity, and you did respond to that point, until maybe, now.

 

BTW, Moncada, Kopech & Margot are not trash.

 

Almost all his prospect moves proved to be good ones. No argument.

 

The farm was over-rated, No argument, except that even in hindsight, that farm was not bottom 3.

 

I never said he traded too much, in hindsight. I said I disagreed with two of his moves, and that both turned out well. One I agreed with, did not. In hindsight those trades were a big plus.

 

All this has little to do with the farm and budget issues he left Bloom. Why is it so hard to just say it?

[moonslav59]

Oakland has the misfortune of playing its interleague games against the powerful NL West (against whom AL West teams have a 33-44 .429) record) while the Red Sox play its interleague games against the weaker NL East (against whom the AL East teams have a 60-27 .690 record).

 

The unbalanced schedule gives the Red Sox the edge over the Athletics in the Wild Card race.

 

Take away the SFG games, and Oak still has a tougher schedule going forward than the Sox.

 

We play the same amount against CWS, but the difference is, we've already played them more. That's part of the reason we are only tied with Oak.

 

We also play way more games vs these AL ranked teams:

 

1T. TBR

6. NYY

7. TOR

15. BAL

 

Oak plays most of their games vs...

1T. HOU

8. SEA

9. LAA

14. TEX

 

I'm pretty sure who had the tougher schedule, all year, and I'm pretty sure ours was tougher, to date, and we're tied with the A's. If we pass them, because the A's have a tougher schedule going forward, I won't cry any tears for them.

 

Team Records:

 

Sox vs .500+ teams:

42-35

Oakland

22-31

 

Sox vs .500- teams

26-16

Oakland

46-18

 

Tell me who has played the tougher schedule?

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

Again, nobody is arguing with your point, but you asked what was extreme, and we said the amount of prospects traded in a short time- not the quality- the quantity, and you did respond to that point, until maybe, now.

 

BTW, Moncada, Kopech & Margot are not trash.

 

Almost all his prospect moves proved to be good ones. No argument.

 

The farm was over-rated, No argument, except that even in hindsight, that farm was not bottom 3.

 

I never said he traded too much, in hindsight. I said I disagreed with two of his moves, and that both turned out well. One I agreed with, did not. In hindsight those trades were a big plus.

 

All this has little to do with the farm and budget issues he left Bloom. Why is it so hard to just say it?

 

The fact that the Red Sox went all in for 2018-2019 and then decided to re-set has everything to do with the budget issues. You can chalk it up to ownership more so than DD. It was the strategy they chose.

[moonslav59]

The fact that the Red Sox went all in for 2018-2019 and then decided to re-set has everything to do with the budget issues. You can chalk it up to ownership more so than DD. It was the strategy they chose.

 

No arguments, here.

 

Ownership chose DD as the right guy for that philosophy. It was a great choice.

 

It worked very well.

 

Then, we paid the price. (It's this part some can't seem to even think about, let alone say.)

[Bellhorn04]

No arguments, here.

 

Ownership chose DD as the right guy for that philosophy. It was a great choice.

 

It worked very well.

 

Then, we paid the price. (It's this part some can't seem to even think about, let alone say.)

 

It has all worked out amazingly well, IMO. Bloom was the perfect guy to step into a situation like this. I'm a big fan of him, even though I was disappointed by the deadline inactivity. He probably did all the right things at the deadline too.

[dgalehouse]

At some point , John Henry , as well as many other owners , decided that salaries were getting out of hand and it was time to start reining in the payroll a bit. Henry , himself, said as much. The Sox still have a relatively high payroll compared to some others , but they are clearly being more budget conscious. None of this is Dombrowski's fault. He did what he needed to do . If what we have seen the last couple of years was the dreaded "cliff" , then it was a small price to pay for the good times in 2016,2017 and 2018.

[moonslav59]

It has all worked out amazingly well, IMO. Bloom was the perfect guy to step into a situation like this. I'm a big fan of him, even though I was disappointed by the deadline inactivity. He probably did all the right things at the deadline too.

 

Gotta give Henry credit for swapping out GMs to fit the current situation.

 

I had hoped he'd have given Ben one more year, but DD had more experience going all in.

 

I'm hopeful Bloom can win a ring like Ben did, while he pumps up the farm.

 

I also hope he doesn't make the Pablo-HRam type mistakes with free agency, like Ben did.

 

I think getting Mayer is going to boost our farm value, and having the extra pick for not signing Fabian should help next year's draft be better than it might have been.

 

I was a lot higher on a number of the prospects Bloom recently acquired than the probably deserved (Potts, Rosarion, Wallace, German and others), but Whitlock was a real gem, and Seabold, Yorke, Jordan, Wong and others still show a lot of promise. (I'm not done with Dows, yet, either.)

 

Deepening the 40 man roster with a very limited budget was not easy, and we all seem to notice the Santanas, Corderos, Marwins and a few others more than Pivetta, Renfroe, Verdugo, Plawecki, Ottavino, Sawamura and yes, even Perez, who put in a very decent first half for us.

 

Maybe Richards can redeem himself a bit in the pen, and Schwarber looks like the wild card.

[moonslav59]

At some point , John Henry , as well as many other owners , decided that salaries were getting out of hand and it was time to start reining in the payroll a bit. Henry , himself, said as much. The Sox still have a relatively high payroll compared to some others , but they are clearly being more budget conscious. None of this is Dombrowski's fault. He did what he needed to do . If what we have seen the last couple of years was the dreaded "cliff" , then it was a small price to pay for the good times in 2016,2017 and 2018.

 

It's been a pattern not really a "at some point."

 

Henry has forced a reset 4 times, and most of those times were followed by 1-2 more years staying under the tax line.

 

It's what he has always done.

[Bellhorn04]

It's been a pattern not really a "at some point."

 

Henry has forced a reset 4 times, and most of those times were followed by 1-2 more years staying under the tax line.

 

It's what he has always done.

 

Yes, for most of this century the Red Sox have been near the top in payroll and always hovering around the tax line, except for 2018 and 2019 when they went over by a lot.

 

Henry's ownership has been about everything you could ask for.

[moonslav59]

Yes, for most of this century the Red Sox have been near the top in payroll and always hovering around the tax line, except for 2018 and 2019 when they went over by a lot.

 

Henry's ownership has been about everything you could ask for.

 

Without Henry, where would we be?

 

I can take some of the crap that has happened under and by Henry, because I went over 30 years wallowing in grief and frustration.

 

Even many of the bad seasons we had since 2003 were years we went into the season thinking we had a shot at the playoffs. I think 2020 was the only one I had zero hope going into the season.

[dgalehouse]

Anyways , happy days are here again. Even the naysayers are somewhat satisfied. And all it took was three games against the woefully inept Orioles . Now it's all seashells and balloons .

[moonslav59]

Anyways , happy days are here again. Even the naysayers are somewhat satisfied. And all it took was three games against the woefully inept Orioles . Now it's all seashells and balloons .

 

I'm not sure why it still amazes me how quickly attitudes can change on this site.