Hanley Ramirez Option Tracker

[harmony]

Just remember this name next winter “Harper”

Luxury tax penalties will likely prevent the Red Sox from pursuing Bryce Harper while paying David Price, J.D. Martinez and Dustin Pedrioa, ultimately replacing Chris Sale, Craig Kimbrel, Rick Porcello, Hanley Ramirez, Drew Pomeranz and Joe Kelly, and negotiating extensions for Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley, and arbitration salaries for Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers and others.

[jad]

Trying to get Hanley hurt? The conspiracy theory is absurd. Isn't the manager's job to try to get the team to win as many games as possible? One way to do that right now is to play Hanley. (as in tonight). Edited May 10, 2018 by jad

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley boosting the OPS tonight!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

So the Red Sox are going to let the option vest? Hanley now has an OPS+ of 97, AND THUS, he is a below average offensive player. His WAR is basically 0, meaning they could release him and it wouldn't matter. He had a great April (an inflated BABIP) but looks washed up in May. I like the idea of releasing Hanley when you activate Pedroia. Moreland becomes the every day 1B. Nunez essentially takes on Moreland's bench role with Pedroia at 2b.

 

Nunez and Swihart get practice reps at 1b. Against lefties, Nunez probably plays 1b and Moreland sits.

 

They can't let his option vest, right?

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[vegasbob]

The reality is that Hanley is in a slump and sucks. He needs a few days off. The option is almost earned at this point. Cora should have sat him a few games ago and let Mitch Moreland eat at the adults table. Hanley has all the ability and strength in the world but has never become a dominant player

[vegasbob]

Red Sox cannot keep this team together for very long. Maybe 1 more year. They need to win it all in 2018 or the budget cuts will be coming. Still eating the Panda's awful contract and Castillo's no show performance.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The option is almost earned at this point.

 

Hold it, correct me if I'm wrong, Hanley needs 497 PA and he currently has 187. I wouldn't call that "almost." He still isn't half way there.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley's 2018 OPS is now lower than his 2017 OPS. So much for the injury-free bounceback season.

 

This is definitely an issue for Cora and the team now.

 

And it is just a tiny bit perplexing that Cora keeps penciling him in, especially with Moreland's numbers.

 

Oh well. Even with a sensational 34-15 record, it wouldn't be the Sox without some sort of drama going on.

[oldtimer]

Hold it, correct me if I'm wrong, Hanley needs 497 PA and he currently has 187. I wouldn't call that "almost." He still isn't half way there.

 

With 30.25% of the season gone, Hanley has completed 37.6% of the plate appearances necessary to fulfill the contract requirements. I wouldn't mind if he were delivering at least some part of his part of the bargain, but if he stays mired in the current slump for too long his $22.7 million salary for this year will be ridiculously high, let alone having it vest for next year. Nothing we can do about 2018, that is a sunken cost. My solution is to give him extra rest and see if that helps pull him out of the slump and if not, the rest would act to reduce PA's and leave open a choice on the part of the Sox. I am hoping that Hanley regains his April form and that the Sox are a better team for it.

[S5Dewey]

With 30.25% of the season gone, Hanley has completed 37.6% of the plate appearances necessary to fulfill the contract requirements. I wouldn't mind if he were delivering at least some part of his part of the bargain, but if he stays mired in the current slump for too long his $22.7 million salary for this year will be ridiculously high, let alone having it vest for next year. Nothing we can do about 2018, that is a sunken cost. My solution is to give him extra rest and see if that helps pull him out of the slump and if not, the rest would act to reduce PA's and leave open a choice on the part of the Sox. I am hoping that Hanley regains his April form and that the Sox are a better team for it.

 

I never understood the philosophy that we should go into the season with the intent of limiting Hanley's PA so his option doesn't vest. If Hanley hits as well as he did during April he'd be a key to winning the division. Now that he's gone into a slump it may be time to rethink this.

 

As you said, resting Hanley for a few games would be a win situation in two ways. It would limit his PA's as well as finding out if that rest would create a resurgence in his offense. If that rest doesn't bring about that resurgence the problem takes care of itself. If Hanley does come back strong after the rest then September could be interesting as the FO tries to limit his PA's as well as win the division.

[cp176]

With 30.25% of the season gone, Hanley has completed 37.6% of the plate appearances necessary to fulfill the contract requirements. I wouldn't mind if he were delivering at least some part of his part of the bargain, but if he stays mired in the current slump for too long his $22.7 million salary for this year will be ridiculously high, let alone having it vest for next year. Nothing we can do about 2018, that is a sunken cost. My solution is to give him extra rest and see if that helps pull him out of the slump and if not, the rest would act to reduce PA's and leave open a choice on the part of the Sox. I am hoping that Hanley regains his April form and that the Sox are a better team for it.

 

If he does not start to hit and hit well for us, an obvious issue is going to be created. He has become according to most reports somewhat of a leader for the kids in the clubhouse. I'm happy for him and I think that it says a lot about the person he has become. A good guy who is fun to be around. The but is - if he doesn't hit, you can't possibly pay him more then you pay Martinez if he has nothing to offer. Once again, if he doesn't start to come around, someone is going to have to sit down with him and explain how the economic facts of life work I guess. If Cora continues to play him and he doesn't produce, then maybe someone will have to sit down with Alex as well. I was and still am for giving him a good chance but he needs to start coming around. We might very well need the rbis from the 3 hole that he is not giving us.

[mvp 78]

Hanley isn't going to hit like it's April again. He's going to reach the plate appearances. We'll be stuck with him next year. And a lot of you people were fine with that before the season. Oh well.

[Station 13]

Hanley would get at best a 3M on the market. This team can't be that dumb to keep playing him.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley isn't going to hit like it's April again. He's going to reach the plate appearances. We'll be stuck with him next year. And a lot of you people were fine with that before the season. Oh well.

 

I was fine with it under the assumption he would only reach the number if he was being a truly productive member of the offense, OPS'ing at least .800.

[mvp 78]

I was fine with it under the assumption he would only reach the number if he was being a truly productive member of the offense, OPS'ing at least .800.

 

My thoughts were, it's tough to make the case to sit someone as they near the plate appearances goal in a pennant race no matter what. That's why I wanted to DFA in the offseason so that you could find a replacement and not have to worry about $20M next year.

[cp176]

Hanley isn't going to hit like it's April again. He's going to reach the plate appearances. We'll be stuck with him next year. And a lot of you people were fine with that before the season. Oh well.

 

I'm pretty sure that I was one of those people. I was really hoping that with Hanley and JD going 3 and 4 we would (could) have an unbelievable power combination. Not so much I guess -huh.

[moonslav59]

I never understood the philosophy that we should go into the season with the intent of limiting Hanley's PA so his option doesn't vest. If Hanley hits as well as he did during April he'd be a key to winning the division. Now that he's gone into a slump it may be time to rethink this.

 

As you said, resting Hanley for a few games would be a win situation in two ways. It would limit his PA's as well as finding out if that rest would create a resurgence in his offense. If that rest doesn't bring about that resurgence the problem takes care of itself. If Hanley does come back strong after the rest then September could be interesting as the FO tries to limit his PA's as well as win the division.

 

Hanley never earned the right top play FT this season. Moreland's numbers vs RHPs were very comparable, and his much better defense certainly tips the balance to equal or in Moreland's favor.

 

Now that Moreland is bashing the ball, HRam deserves to ride the bench, at least vs righties.

 

Now, an argument can be made to play HRam over JBJ, but that plan severely weakens our defense, and HRam has not been hitting better than JBJ recently:

 

Last 28 days:

.582 HRam (.253 OBP)

.393 JBJ (.229 OBP)

 

Last 14 days:

.590 JBJ (.310)

.396 HRam (.182)

 

Last 7 days:

.753 JBJ (.353)

.059 HRam (.059)

 

Sit his ass on the bench, because he deserves it.

 

Saving money would be the bonus.

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

That's why I wanted to DFA in the offseason so that you could find a replacement and not have to worry about $20M next year.

I supported that position too. Release him in the off-season and bring in another player--the market cost for free agents was in their favor. Hanley was a sunk cost either way and you can't let that option vest.

 

They may have been counting on Chavis, thinking that if Hanley stinks up the joint, they would release him during the season, thus creating an opportunity for Chavis. Obviously, that plan is now dead in the water.

 

By the way, one of the first baseball seasons I remember was 1986. Living in New York, I remember the Mets released George Foster and replaced him with Kevin Mitchel. Of course, as we know (painfully) the Mets went on to win the W.S. that year. The Red Sox could release Hanley without it harming their W.S. chances. By all statistical measures, he is a replacement level player. I get that he might provide some leadership in the locker room, but Pedroia could take on a larger role in that regard. When Pedroia is ready to return, I'm releasing Hanley.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[FredLynn]

There is no cogent reason why Ramirez should ever be in the lineup v RHP. In fact, if I were DD I would be letting Cora know that Hanley should sit a lot more so that 497 becomes unattainable.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Hanley's OPS+ is now 93.

 

What was his OPS+ last year?....... Yep, 93

 

Hanley has been a s*** player for the Red Sox. They only got one good year out of him--2016.

 

2015 OPS+ 89

2016 OPS+ 126

2017 OPS+ 93

2018 OPS+ 93

 

If the 2016 version of Hanley showed up this year, you let the option vest. Instead, we are getting the 2015 and 2017 version.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[kenmeister]

Unlike with JBJ, you really can't stick with Hanley through a slump long. He certainly isn't there for his defense.

[mvp 78]

I supported that position too. Release him in the off-season and bring in another player--the market cost for free agents was in their favor. Hanley was a sunk cost either way and you can't let that option vest.

 

They may have been counting on Chavis, thinking that if Hanley stinks up the joint, they would release him during the season, thus creating an opportunity for Chavis. Obviously, that plan is now dead in the water.

 

By the way, one of the first baseball seasons I remember was 1986. Living in New York, I remember the Mets released George Foster and replaced him with Kevin Mitchel. Of course, as we know (painfully) the Mets went on to win the W.S. that year. The Red Sox could release Hanley without it harming their W.S. chances. By all statistical measures, he is a replacement level player. I get that he might provide some leadership in the locker room, but Pedroia could take on a larger role in that regard. When Pedroia is ready to return, I'm releasing Hanley.

 

DH/1B guys are dime a dozen. They are the easiest players to replace at the deadline. Wasting $20M on one is stupidity. I'm just hoping for a season ending injury.

[Station 13]

He is hitting .171 this May, and last night he had a -1.000 WPA, meaning he was worth a loss entirely for a pair of doubleplays and 5 LOB.

[Kimmi]

Hanley isn't going to hit like it's April again. He's going to reach the plate appearances. We'll be stuck with him next year. And a lot of you people were fine with that before the season. Oh well.

 

I am still fine with Hanley's option vesting, if he's hitting. I'm also fine with Cora having some more patience with Hanley to give him a chance to break out of the slump.

 

If Hanley continues not to hit and Moreland continues to hit, then the logical choice would be to give Moreland the at bats. It has nothing to do with Hanley's option vesting or not. It has to do with playing the better player.

[vegasbob]

This one is tough because a relative few times at bat by Hanley could change games when he is hitting. I would rather Mitch Moreland getting AB's vs RH'ers and Hanley vs LH'ers . JBjr has a big hole to climb out of even with a few hits this week. Encouraging but not a full trend yet. Based on PA's to date Hanley is very likely to vest, but not necessarily take the option if he (wrongly ) thinks the FA market will reward him with a 3 year deal somewhere.

 

I do think that if the Sox try to artificially limit his PA's the rest of the players would see that happening and not be pleased. If he needs a rest, give it to him. That's legit as it was with JBJr last week.

[MADSTORK]

Luxury tax penalties will likely prevent the Red Sox from pursuing Bryce Harper while paying David Price, J.D. Martinez and Dustin Pedrioa, ultimately replacing Chris Sale, Craig Kimbrel, Rick Porcello, Hanley Ramirez, Drew Pomeranz and Joe Kelly, and negotiating extensions for Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley, and arbitration salaries for Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers and others.

 

 

 

 

Last 100 AB for HR at .198 with a .250 OBPCT Priceless!

I like Hanley, he is a player I root for but the numbers do not lie since he signed here in Boston. Bust! I give the Player until the end of June. Hitting woes continue flat out release him. I would doubt there is any clause in his deal that says "his option vest" if released, then again anything Cherington did those years far as contract clauses would not surprise me.

 

Add Porcello to the list and there is your Harper money!

[moonslav59]

Benching HRam is what's best for the team.

 

It's not 'artificial".

 

It's not about the vesting option.

 

He never earned the right to be a FT starter out of ST'ing to begin with. He started out hot and got some big RBIs, so at that point playing him was the right thing to do, but one hot month was not enough to earn him any more tome to "work it out".

 

His OPS+ was 89 and 93 in 2 of his previous 3 seasons. Nothing about that hints at earning anything, injury excuses and all.

 

Plus, we bat him 3rd or even 2nd as he slumps into oblivion.

 

[Natick to NC]

Hanley never earned the right top play FT this season. Moreland's numbers vs RHPs were very comparable, and his much better defense certainly tips the balance to equal or in Moreland's favor.

 

Now that Moreland is bashing the ball, HRam deserves to ride the bench, at least vs righties.

 

Now, an argument can be made to play HRam over JBJ, but that plan severely weakens our defense, and HRam has not been hitting better than JBJ recently:

 

Last 28 days:

.582 HRam (.253 OBP)

.393 JBJ (.229 OBP)

 

Last 14 days:

.590 JBJ (.310)

.396 HRam (.182)

 

Last 7 days:

.753 JBJ (.353)

.059 HRam (.059)

 

Sit his ass on the bench, because he deserves it.

 

Saving money would be the bonus.

 

 

Moon has been out in front of this and it's time to get aboard this train ...EVERYBODY!!!!SIT Hanley NOW !!!!!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Moreland has fairly won the starting job at 1b. You could keep Hanley on the roster and play him against lefties. On the other hand, when Pedroia returns, someone has to go. Aging 1b/DH types who aren't hitting (and haven't hit in 3 of the last 4 seasons including this one), don't run the bases well, and can't field, don't deserve special treatment.

 

The Red Sox have already paid Hanley a fortune for limited, very limited production.

 

I'm inclined to think that a clean break is the best way to go. Does Hanley really help you very much as a bench piece? He can't play anywhere, he can't run. I guess he might have some value against LHP, but can they find someone who can provide that value and a few other things? Probably.

Edited May 25, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Natick to NC]

Release Hanley NOW