Hanley Ramirez Option Tracker

[moonslav59]

Of course, the number of possibilities are endless. It's possible that we'll have a 10 game lead over the Yankees mid-September so Hanley wouldn't have to play. I'd bet against it, but it's possible.

It's also possible that the Yankees (or any other team) will have a 10 game lead over the Sox in mid-Septemeber so we can sit Hanley to keep his option from vesting. But again, I'd bet against it.

 

It's possible that Hanley gets 650 PA's and is burned out by the time the playoffs start but even if that happens I like our chances of winning the WS more if we make the playoffs than if Hanley doesn't vest and his not vesting keeps us out of the playoffs. (!!)

 

Obviously the chances of Hanley's getting hurt increase with every games he plays. The same can be said for every player. I just don't see that as being a legitimate argument for not playing him if he's playing well.

 

Barring what I see as remote possibilities, if Hanley's playing well and we have a legitimate shot at the playoffs I want him on the field, plain and simple. And I don't care how many PA's he gets.

 

Just as you don't save a pitcher for tomorrow because it might rain tomorrow, you also don't sacrifice a chance at the playoffs this year in anticipation of next year. You don't know what next year will bring.

 

I've never said, if HRam is clearly doing better than Moreland vs RHPs and we need him to make the playoffs, I'd sit him.

 

I'm not for sacrificing this year for next. I just don'tthink the choice will be clear. I think Moreland will do pretty close to the same as HRam vs RHPs this year, and he's a better defender, so eventually a close choice will have to be made.

[devildavid]

I get all of what you are saying, but I disagree. I thought Hanley would be able to play LF decently enough. I also thought that 4 years was reasonable for the WAR that he provided.

 

I don't look at WAR without context. Hanley did not fill a need and did not have a position to play. Now we have two players, JD and Hanley, whose best position is DH.

 

I was hoping the Sox would move away from the Ortiz era with a different approach to the DH position.

[Natick to NC]

Hanley Is a leader by example you can see just how hard this team pulls for Hanley ...love the kid !!! Hope you get that option !!!

[InfernoOrangeSS]

Kimmi, S&C, CP, Thunder, Jad, and I are probably the only Red Sox fans on the planet hoping HanRam has a monstah season and his option vests.

HanRam is a class act and a great ballplayer. he is what every player should try and be. great attitude, loves the game, loves the fans, will do whatever his manager asks him to do without a single peep, and is not afraid of the spotlight.

I hope he vests.

 

I don’t know why I wasn’t added immediately to that list, but I am a huge HanRam fan. This guy is going to lead us to a WS title.

[moonslav59]

I don't look at WAR without context. Hanley did not fill a need and did not have a position to play. Now we have two players, JD and Hanley, whose best position is DH.

 

I was hoping the Sox would move away from the Ortiz era with a different approach to the DH position.

 

Plus a $6.5M late inning defensive replacement at 1B!

[Slasher9]

You can add me to this crew. Simply put, we're a better team if Hanley is healthy and raking, so you're damn right I'm rooting for that.

 

added. you're in FJ.

[Slasher9]

I don’t know why I wasn’t added immediately to that list, but I am a huge HanRam fan. This guy is going to lead us to a WS title.

apologies! you're right. your post is right there early on in this thread. you are added.

[oldtimer]

I've never said, if HRam is clearly doing better than Moreland vs RHPs and we need him to make the playoffs, I'd sit him.

 

I'm not for sacrificing this year for next. I just don'tthink the choice will be clear. I think Moreland will do pretty close to the same as HRam vs RHPs this year, and he's a better defender, so eventually a close choice will have to be made.

 

Those pulling for Hanley to have a great season and getting to vest believe it could lead us to a world series and if it does it would be a good thing. We also should be aware of the ramifications that wuld have on which players we might have to dump next season if that happens. How much of our young talent could be impacted? Moon has been pretty thorough with his scenarios so we keep Betts, Bogaerts and Beni? Something to think about.

[Kimmi]

Those pulling for Hanley to have a great season and getting to vest believe it could lead us to a world series and if it does it would be a good thing. We also should be aware of the ramifications that wuld have on which players we might have to dump next season if that happens. How much of our young talent could be impacted? Moon has been pretty thorough with his scenarios so we keep Betts, Bogaerts and Beni? Something to think about.

 

Not re-signing Kimbral will free up much of the money if Hanley's option vests. And Hanley's option is only for one year. It's not going to make or break the team.

[moonslav59]

Not re-signing Kimbral will free up much of the money if Hanley's option vests. And Hanley's option is only for one year. It's not going to make or break the team.

 

It shouldn't break us, but IMO we're better with Kimbrel over HRam in 2019.

[mvp 78]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

[moonslav59]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

 

Does anybody disagree?

 

Same with Pom vs HRam.

[cp176]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

 

If I thought that it was an either or situation, Hanley would be gone in one of those New York minutes we hear about. Kimbrel is far more valuable to this team than Hanley . Doesn't work like that for me simply because I don't see it as an either or situation. If John Henry said that in 2019 we could have one or the other and asked all Red Sox fans to vote, does anyone truly think that it would be close?

[mvp 78]

Does anybody disagree?

 

Same with Pom vs HRam.

 

Maybe kimmi?

[jad]

I already follow one team where playing time is not determined by in-game performance (the CLippers and their nepotistic coach and former GM--Austin Rivers' dad). I don't want to have to find myself a a fan of another.

[S5Dewey]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

 

Every day.

[Spudboy]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

 

Me too.

[FredLynn]

It shouldn't break us, but IMO we're better with Kimbrel over HRam in 2019.

 

Truth is, we may get neither. If Kimbrel is asking for a ridiculous amount of money I would let Hanley go (I would let him go in nearly any case) and also not sign Kimbrel if it means grossly overpaying him.

[moonslav59]

Truth is, we may get neither. If Kimbrel is asking for a ridiculous amount of money I would let Hanley go (I would let him go in nearly any case) and also not sign Kimbrel if it means grossly overpaying him.

 

I'm all for letting Kimbrel go, if his demands are out of line or out of our reach.

 

We may lose Pom as well, even if Hram does not vest.

 

We will have some money to sign someone to replace part of what they left as a hole. We'll have much more without HRam's contract.

[Bellhorn04]

I’d rather have Kimbrel than Hanley.

 

Me too, but it's a 'false equivalency', right?

 

Kimbrel will be looking for something like Chapman got-5/86.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm all for letting Kimbrel go, if his demands are out of line or out of our reach.

 

We may lose Pom as well, even if Hram does not vest.

 

We will have some money to sign someone to replace part of what they left as a hole. We'll have much more without HRam's contract.

 

Yes, we'll have more money - for one year.

[moonslav59]

Me too, but it's a 'false equivalency', right?

 

Kimbrel will be looking for something like Chapman got-5/86.

 

Yes, which is a smaller AVV than HRam. We lose Pablo's contract after 2019, and after 2020 all hell breaks loose.

 

I'm not for signing Kimbrel to Chapman money. We can't afford that much for a closer, even if he is still the best by the end of this year.

 

I'm not sure if Pom will be worth his price tag either, and I get that nearly every good FA is normally going to be an overpay.

 

$22M can go a long way, if used properly. To me, this team's greatest future constraint may not be the low farm quality, but instead will likely be, IMO, the budget.

[Bellhorn04]

We lose Pablo's contract after 2019, and after 2020 all hell breaks loose.

 

I like this - it's much more colorful and entertaining than 'the cliff'.

[oldtimer]

I'm all for letting Kimbrel go, if his demands are out of line or out of our reach.

 

We may lose Pom as well, even if Hram does not vest.

 

We will have some money to sign someone to replace part of what they left as a hole. We'll have much more without HRam's contract.

 

Yes, by all means, let Kimbrel go. We always have Kelly and Smith who can be our closers.

[cp176]

Yes, by all means, let Kimbrel go. We always have Kelly and Smith who can be our closers.

 

Hey now - you know that the sarcasm alert bell just rang!

 

Things can certainly change for sure, but when I consider Kimbrel's importance to this team, it amazes me how many here would be willing to just let him walk away. I'm not for over paying players but excellence at some point gets rewarded. His importance to his team as well the emphasis on bullpens getting more pronounced makes him one of the guys on that I would least like to see leave. Maybe some closers are easy to replace - not this one I'm afraid.

[mvp 78]

Me too, but it's a 'false equivalency', right?

 

Kimbrel will be looking for something like Chapman got-5/86.

 

And I pay it.

 

I don't let HRam's option vest if that's what would keep the Sox from re-signing Kimbrel.

[mvp 78]

Yes, by all means, let Kimbrel go. We always have Kelly and Smith who can be our closers.

 

No thanks.

[sk7326]

Truth is, we may get neither. If Kimbrel is asking for a ridiculous amount of money I would let Hanley go (I would let him go in nearly any case) and also not sign Kimbrel if it means grossly overpaying him.

 

Kimbrel - given his position - is one of those guys who is worth paying more over a shorter period of time. If he asks for any more than 3 years - it is very very hard to justify keeping him.

[Slasher9]

he's about to hit 30. his WHIP is up. yes sss.

personally i dont give anyone not named mariano a high priced LTC to close games for me.

we had a parade with koji-san closing games.

i'd take hanley crushing it in 2018 getting us a parade and take him over the leprechaun next season. in a heartbeat.

[mvp 78]

he's about to hit 30. his WHIP is up. yes sss.

personally i dont give anyone not named mariano a high priced LTC to close games for me.

we had a parade with koji-san closing games.

i'd take hanley crushing it in 2018 getting us a parade and take him over the leprechaun next season. in a heartbeat.

 

And if he crushes, but we don't get a parade? You'd still rather Hanley at 1B next year than Kimbrel as closer?