Hanley Ramirez Option Tracker

[moonslav59]

The penalty for going $40M over the limit is pretty severe financially, and the dropping down 10 slots in the draft might not be all that bad, but in a system designed to make it harder for richer teams to (re)build their farm, it won't get any easier having the 38th pick instead of the 28th pick.

[moonslav59]

On HRam having two big seasons in a row, assuming he has one this year and looking at 2019, I wouldn't bet on it. It is, however, certainly possible considering his shoulder looks fine, now.

[jad]

The argument for keeping him from vesting is essentially: let the RS have a worthless Hanley and throw away 20million this year rather than next year? I'd rather get a 20mil Hanley this year and hope for the best in the future.

[Bellhorn04]

The argument for keeping him from vesting is essentially: let the RS have a worthless Hanley and throw away 20million this year rather than next year? I'd rather get a 20mil Hanley this year and hope for the best in the future.

 

Well, there are some that think you can have your cake and eat it too, type of thing...

[jad]

Well, there are some that think you can have your cake and eat it too, type of thing...

 

Yup. That's what I'm hoping for. Eat the damn cake and worry about seconds tomorrow.

[notin]

Your point is not totally without merit, but...

 

Morrison is actually guaranteed 6.5 million.

 

I am guessing that Morrison's value was hurt by concerns that he was a one-year wonder, as his career numbers would suggest that possibility.

 

A highly credentialed all-hit no-field guy can still make decent coin, as in J D Martinez.

 

The bottom line with Hanley is, he still seems capable of putting up a 3 WAR season.

 

And when you're the filthy rich Boston Red Sox in pursuit of a championship with a small window, you can't be concerned with f***ing around with whether Hanley's option vests. You go all out to win this year because that's what your fans expect and deserve, and if the option vests, that's show biz.

 

I'm fairly sure a Yankee team in a similar position would do the same.

 

Morrison also has a fairly less productive track record. One season only gets you so far...

[notin]

I'd like to see Hanley's contract rewritten to state that if Hanley gets 497 plate appearances, Price opts out...

[moonslav59]

Morrison also has a fairly less productive track record. One season only gets you so far...

 

If you had to choose, who would you rather have?

 

LoMo $6.5M x 1

 

Moreland $6.5M x 2

 

Aparrently a 1 year wonder (maybe) is worth about the same as a long and steady mediocre 1Bman.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by moonslav59

[jacksonianmarch]

Logan Morrison is also 4 years younger than Hanley and Hanley is coming off a down year and a shoulder surgery

[moonslav59]

Logan Morrison is also 4 years younger than Hanley and Hanley is coming off a down year and a shoulder surgery

 

True, but sometimes surgery actually makes you better than you were before the surgery.

[Larry Cook]

True, but sometimes surgery actually makes you better than you were before the surgery.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that Hanley played through a painful shoulder injury last season. His stats or lack thereof were a direct of that injury.

 

What we are seeing now is Hanley playing above his head, snd he will cool down at some point. But unless he gets hurt, it is very difficult to not see him getting 500 at bats this year.

[Bellhorn04]

If you had to choose, who would you rather have?

 

LoMo $6.5M x 1

 

Moreland $6.5M x 2

 

Aparrently a 1 year wonder (maybe) is worth about the same as a long and steady mediocre 1Bman.

 

 

Not that there's necessarily any logic to the pricing in the free agent market.

[moonslav59]

Not that there's necessarily any logic to the pricing in the free agent market.

 

True, especially with the Sox continually bidding only against itself.

[SoxnCycles]

I'd like to see Hanley's contract rewritten to state that if Hanley gets 497 plate appearances, Price opts out...

 

Sign me up for that one!

[OH FOY]

Morrison hit 11 HRS at home last year, and 27 on the road. He has 98 PA's at Fenway with a .198 average, 5 HRS.

Moreland has a .287 avg. in Fenway, so Moreland for me. When you play 81 games at home, some batters have the swing to the Park they play in. 354 PA's is not a small sample either. Maybe Morrison can do it too, or better. But, why take that chance.

Also I think Moreland has a much more easier to Trade contract, if another team, has injuries. Not getting him for one year, if Traded this year, you get for next year too. Always like 2 year deals. Might get better Prospects with 2 year deals.

When you Trade Rentals, the guy your Trading, better be exceptional, to get good Prospects. Neither of these guys are, so contract might be important, to team your Trading too.

Edited April 16, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

True, especially with the Sox continually bidding only against itself.

 

Do we really get any reliable info on who's bidding against who?

[Emp9]

Meh! Thread title changed, so now all my posts make zero sense. Fantastic. Lol

[moonslav59]

Do we really get any reliable info on who's bidding against who?

 

No, but I doubt anyone was offering Moreland anything close to what the Sox offered. The JMart situation is a little more murky.

 

I doubt anyone came near the HRam and Pablo offers.

 

The Price signing may have had competition.

[Bellhorn04]

I doubt anyone came near the HRam and Pablo offers.

 

IIRC, the stories at the time were that a) HRam could have gotten more; the Giants were willing to match our offer but Pablo preferred Boston.

[Slasher9]

Do we really get any reliable info on who's bidding against who?

i cannot divulge the teams but....

we were bidding against 2 AL teams for Hanley. 0 NL.

we were only bidding against 1 NL team for panda. (you can probably guess which one). 0 AL.

we only bid against ourselves for Price. 1 other AL team was floating contract offers but these were never to be taken serious.

[cp176]

i cannot divulge the teams but....

we were bidding against 2 AL teams for Hanley. 0 NL.

we were only bidding against 1 NL team for panda. (you can probably guess which one). 0 AL.

we only bid against ourselves for Price. 1 other AL team was floating contract offers but these were never to be taken serious.

 

Do you know secrets Slasher? lol

[Spudboy]

i cannot divulge the teams but....

we were bidding against 2 AL teams for Hanley. 0 NL.

we were only bidding against 1 NL team for panda. (you can probably guess which one). 0 AL.

we only bid against ourselves for Price. 1 other AL team was floating contract offers but these were never to be taken serious.

 

I read where St. Louis was in on Price and had an offer on the table that DD outbid.

[Bellhorn04]

I read where St. Louis was in on Price and had an offer on the table that DD outbid.

 

That's what I remember too.

[Kimmi]

I'd like to see Hanley's contract rewritten to state that if Hanley gets 497 plate appearances, Price opts out...

 

LOL

 

You're a funny dude Notin.

[Station 13]

How is Hanley looking?

[mvp 78]

how is hanley looking?

 

dfa

[mvp 78]

All he wants is personal stats. He wants to go 30/30 this year. Let him do it elsewhere. This team is about wins NOT personal accolades. This is what I believe so it must be true.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanley is at 120PA in 27 games. He hasn't appeared in only 3 games. He needs 377PA's over the next 132 games to trigger the option. Barring a serious injury, he is going to hit that, and the sox will really have issues next season fielding the kind of team that is on the field right now

[Slasher9]

I say sign him to an extension. he can hit/play 1b the next 3 years until Devers needs to move to 1b.

when I started typing this post I was being sarcastic. but after typing it I am now serious. sign hanley to a 2 year extension.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley is at 120PA in 27 games. He hasn't appeared in only 3 games. He needs 377PA's over the next 132 games to trigger the option. Barring a serious injury, he is going to hit that, and the sox will really have issues next season fielding the kind of team that is on the field right now

 

The option vesting would have an impact for 2019, but it really shouldn't be a severe impact. Especially if he keeps hitting like he has been.