Hanley Ramirez Option Tracker

[jacksonianmarch]

Why would he sign an extension when he has $22 mil coming to him next year and a reasonable chance to have it guaranteed. Guys, if he was on the open market today, he would get 1 yr $5 mil or so as a null defensive all offensive DH. Why would he sign a market appropriate extension when he is going to make 4.5 times that in one season alone?

[jacksonianmarch]

The option vesting would have an impact for 2019, but it really shouldn't be a severe impact. Especially if he keeps hitting like he has been.

 

How will it not have a severe impact? You will need a SP and a closer. Including Kelly, Pom and Kimbrel, the sox will have $24 mil to spend before they hit the cap. But that $24 mil will be eaten with arb raises alone. Mookie is looking at a big raise. If Xander hits like the .300 25HR hitter he could be, he will get a huge arb raise as well. JBJ just by defense will be looking at a raise. Your pen guys and ERod start seeing some money. Vaz' contract kicks in next season, so he sees a raise. Effectively, the money the sox will retain when their FA's hit market will be reabsorbed into the same team. The Hanley money was the money the sox were going to use to replace their outgoing players or keep them. If Hanley vests, Kimbrel and Pom are definitely gone and you are looking at having to deal from your current squad to replace them just so the salaries match. I told you guys in ST, Hanley cannot vest. There is no way Henry says its okay to run past the upper threshold (90% penalty, $1 mil loss of INTL funds, 1st rounder pushed back 10 picks, likely into the second round). It is developmental suicide for a farm already barren as a desert

[Bellhorn04]

How will it not have a severe impact? You will need a SP and a closer. Including Kelly, Pom and Kimbrel, the sox will have $24 mil to spend before they hit the cap. But that $24 mil will be eaten with arb raises alone. Mookie is looking at a big raise. If Xander hits like the .300 25HR hitter he could be, he will get a huge arb raise as well. JBJ just by defense will be looking at a raise. Your pen guys and ERod start seeing some money. Vaz' contract kicks in next season, so he sees a raise. Effectively, the money the sox will retain when their FA's hit market will be reabsorbed into the same team. The Hanley money was the money the sox were going to use to replace their outgoing players or keep them. If Hanley vests, Kimbrel and Pom are definitely gone and you are looking at having to deal from your current squad to replace them just so the salaries match. I told you guys in ST, Hanley cannot vest. There is no way Henry says its okay to run past the upper threshold (90% penalty, $1 mil loss of INTL funds, 1st rounder pushed back 10 picks, likely into the second round). It is developmental suicide for a farm already barren as a desert

 

I'm pretty sure Henry and Dombrowski are aware of all the issues and have a plan. It would appear they're going to let the option vest if Hanley stays healthy.

 

Also, if he can post a WAR of 2.5 or 3 that has some dollar value does it not?

[Slasher9]

Why would he sign an extension when he has $22 mil coming to him next year and a reasonable chance to have it guaranteed. Guys, if he was on the open market today, he would get 1 yr $5 mil or so as a null defensive all offensive DH. Why would he sign a market appropriate extension when he is going to make 4.5 times that in one season alone?

 

im not talking about next year.

[Station 13]

Why would he sign an extension when he has $22 mil coming to him next year and a reasonable chance to have it guaranteed. Guys, if he was on the open market today, he would get 1 yr $5 mil or so as a null defensive all offensive DH. Why would he sign a market appropriate extension when he is going to make 4.5 times that in one season alone?

 

It would be best if Hanley walk. I just don't think he sustain anything these days. They need that $22ZM to give to Kimbrel and a set up man.

[Slasher9]

How will it not have a severe impact? You will need a SP and a closer. Including Kelly, Pom and Kimbrel, the sox will have $24 mil to spend before they hit the cap. But that $24 mil will be eaten with arb raises alone. Mookie is looking at a big raise. If Xander hits like the .300 25HR hitter he could be, he will get a huge arb raise as well. JBJ just by defense will be looking at a raise. Your pen guys and ERod start seeing some money. Vaz' contract kicks in next season, so he sees a raise. Effectively, the money the sox will retain when their FA's hit market will be reabsorbed into the same team. The Hanley money was the money the sox were going to use to replace their outgoing players or keep them. If Hanley vests, Kimbrel and Pom are definitely gone and you are looking at having to deal from your current squad to replace them just so the salaries match. I told you guys in ST, Hanley cannot vest. There is no way Henry says its okay to run past the upper threshold (90% penalty, $1 mil loss of INTL funds, 1st rounder pushed back 10 picks, likely into the second round). It is developmental suicide for a farm already barren as a desert

 

back to back AL East champs with HanRam contract. this year will be back-to-back-to-back.

but yeah...the Yankees are better at everything. I get it.

troll on

[harmony]

I say sign him to an extension. he can hit/play 1b the next 3 years until Devers needs to move to 1b.

when I started typing this post I was being sarcastic. but after typing it I am now serious. sign hanley to a 2 year extension.

Hanley Ramirez has posted 0.6 fWAR in his 27 games this year.

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project Ramirez with rest-of-season WAR of 0.9, 0.7 and 0.6 in 105, 73 and 66 games, respectively:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8001&position=SS

[Kimmi]

I am glad that Dombrowski and Cora are letting Hanley play pretty much everyday, and that they don't seem to be concerned about whether the option vests or not. That's the way it should be done.

 

Word on the street is that Hanley has been an excellent clubhouse presence this year. He's having fun and he's making it fun for his teammates.

[MADSTORK]

I hope your glad when the option vest and Harper signs with NY for 10 mill more than what Boston offered..

 

Hanley is a Bust!

[a700hitter]

I am glad that Dombrowski and Cora are letting Hanley play pretty much everyday, and that they don't seem to be concerned about whether the option vests or not. That's the way it should be done.

 

Word on the street is that Hanley has been an excellent clubhouse presence this year. He's having fun and he's making it fun for his teammates.

Is he doing card tricks in the clubhouse?

[oldtimer]

I am glad that Dombrowski and Cora are letting Hanley play pretty much everyday, and that they don't seem to be concerned about whether the option vests or not. That's the way it should be done.

 

Word on the street is that Hanley has been an excellent clubhouse presence this year. He's having fun and he's making it fun for his teammates.

 

I hate the contract but Hanley's performance has been good on both sides of the ball. What kind of club would we have if we didn't allow him to vest when he is playing well. We need to make our best effort to win the WS this year and worry about 2019 after the season is over.

[cp176]

I hate the contract but Hanley's performance has been good on both sides of the ball. What kind of club would we have if we didn't allow him to vest when he is playing well. We need to make our best effort to win the WS this year and worry about 2019 after the season is over.

 

Sadly I guess but if you take Hanley out of this lineup, you are taking one of our top 4 or 5 hitters out of the batting order. Who are you going to replace him with is the question I would ask. Betts, Martinez, Bogaerts, Moreland maybe and after that who am I missing. It might be different if we didn't have pretty much black holes when it comes to hitting with respect to the center field and catching positions.

[Bellhorn04]

I hope your glad when the option vest and Harper signs with NY for 10 mill more than what Boston offered..

 

Hanley is a Bust!

 

Good trollin' Stork.

[jacksonianmarch]

back to back AL East champs with HanRam contract. this year will be back-to-back-to-back.

but yeah...the Yankees are better at everything. I get it.

troll on

 

Great point, just a stellar point. I’m so glad you made it. Man, you got me. /sarcasm

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey, I hope Hanley vests his option. I really do. That helps my team considerably.

[S5Dewey]

Hey, I hope Hanley vests his option. I really do. That helps my team considerably.

 

It's nice to see that you're now at least honest enough to admit it. You've been trolling all around that for some time, pretending to be "concerned" about the future of the Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

It's nice to see that you're now at least honest enough to admit it. You've been trolling all around that for some time, pretending to be "concerned" about the future of the Sox.

 

jackso is OK. But he definitely has an Empire State Erection these days with the run his team is on.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Based on how much they are playing him, it looks like his option will vest. But if he continues his downward slide, they should release him so that the option doesn't vest. It looks like Hanley's inflated BABIP (from April) is normalizing. He isn't hitting for sufficient power (only 3 HR). If his downward trajectory continues, you can't let that option vest, but the Red Sox have mismanaged this from the start. They probably should have dumped Hanley prior to the season and found a better alternative at 1b.

 

I want the Red Sox to sign Machado for SS next year especially if Bogaerts is going to repeat his 2017 season. But I don't know if the Red Sox can sign Machado while paying out Hanley's option.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[notin]

Based on how much they are playing him, it looks like his option will vest. But if he continues his downward slide, they should release him so that the option doesn't vest. It looks like Hanley's inflated BABIP (from April) is normalizing. He isn't hitting for sufficient power (only 3 HR). If his downward trajectory continues, you can't let that option vest, but the Red Sox have mismanaged this from the start. They probably should have dumped Hanley prior to the season and found a better alternative at 1b.

 

I want the Red Sox to sign Machado for SS next year especially if Bogaerts is going to repeat his 2017 season. But I don't know if the Red Sox can sign Machado while paying out Hanley's option.

 

Agreed he should be benched more frequently if he struggles. But I'm not going to worry about that yet.

 

Personally I don't think he is capable physically of playing in the field enough for the option to vest...

[jacksonianmarch]

It's nice to see that you're now at least honest enough to admit it. You've been trolling all around that for some time, pretending to be "concerned" about the future of the Sox.

 

That is a serious misread. I have no intention of wishing for good things from the sox. That being said, I can see how allowing his option to vest is bad for your club.

[Slasher9]

Agreed he should be benched more frequently if he struggles. But I'm not going to worry about that yet.

 

Personally I don't think he is capable physically of playing in the field enough for the option to vest...

 

interesting. this has me wondering if they are playing him so much at 1b right now in hopes that he gets one of his injuries that land him on the DL and would prevent him from vesting....

[mvp 78]

interesting. this has me wondering if they are playing him so much at 1b right now in hopes that he gets one of his injuries that land him on the DL and would prevent him from vesting....

 

I think Cora just likes Hanley personally. Likes his attitude and upside.

[Bellhorn04]

interesting. this has me wondering if they are playing him so much at 1b right now in hopes that he gets one of his injuries that land him on the DL and would prevent him from vesting....

 

I don't think so, because if Hanley was the everyday DH that would make JDM the everyday left fielder, and I don't think that was ever a plan.

[a700hitter]

I don't think so, because if Hanley was the everyday DH that would make JDM the everyday left fielder, and I don't think that was ever a plan.

JDM can handle the position for an extended period.

[Bellhorn04]

JDM can handle the position for an extended period.

 

Sure. But do you think they're playing Hanley at first because they want him to get hurt?

 

Also, I don't think they want JDM playing the field every day because it increases the chances he gets hurt.

[fxkatt]

I think Cora just likes Hanley personally. Likes his attitude and upside.

 

Yes, Cora likes Hanley... no doubt about it. But I think his batting order position (2 or 3) may, ironically, expose Hanley, more than help him. I'm hoping Cora's trust works out and Hanley hits .295 with over 25 homers/90 RBI but that would surprise me a little. To me, Hanley is a 6-7 hitter who should maybe be on his way out at season's end. We shall see.

[S5Dewey]

That is a serious misread. I have no intention of wishing for good things from the sox. That being said, I can see how allowing his option to vest is bad for your club.

 

You're right. My apologies for thinking you might be enough of a baseball fan that you wanted to see some competition for the Heralded Yankees. I now understand that what I saw as concern for the financial straits the Sox may be in was nothing more than gloating.

 

Typical Yankee fan after all. :-(

[mvp 78]

Yes, Cora likes Hanley... no doubt about it. But I think his batting order position (2 or 3) may, ironically, expose Hanley, more than help him. I'm hoping Cora's trust works out and Hanley hits .295 with over 25 homers/90 RBI but that would surprise me a little. To me, Hanley is a 6-7 hitter who should maybe be on his way out at season's end. We shall see.

 

IDK. He started off the season pretty hot. I'm not sure he's slowed down because of being "exposed". I think he was just playing above his head.

[MADSTORK]

Just remember this name next winter “Harper”

[fxkatt]

IDK. He started off the season pretty hot. I'm not sure he's slowed down because of being "exposed". I think he was just playing above his head.

 

By "exposed" I meant that he will be getting more at bats each game in the 2-3 holes, and this could lower his average, if not his power output.