Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[notin]

41 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I was high-fiving the fact that we got Contreras instead of Alonso.

I was lukewarm on both.  But Contreras has worked out better and won’t be dragging the Sox down at the backend…

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

I was lukewarm on both.  But Contreras has worked out better and won’t be dragging the Sox down at the backend…

I always assumed we'd sign Alonso.  But Contreras is currently better.

[Deja Doh]

Time to shop Narvaez.  And the rest of the team.

[JoeBrady]

18 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

Time to shop Narvaez.  And the rest of the team.

I doubt you get anything.  Some players have more value for us than someone else.

[UtahSox]

18 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

Time to shop Narvaez.  And the rest of the team.

If Narvaez has the value around the league that he has on BTV ship him…… tonight. His AB’s are not competitive. I think Wong and Gaspar have outplayed him. Maybe Narvaez for Adames straight up? Giants need a catcher of the future and we need a sh** ton of changes. 

[Duran Is The Man]

Just now, UtahSox said:

If Narvaez has the value around the league that he has on BTV ship him…… tonight. His AB’s are not competitive. I think Wong and Gaspar have outplayed him. Maybe Narvaez for Adames straight up? Giants need a catcher of the future and we need a sh** ton of changes. 

 straight up for Adames would be fine with me, but i think the Giants view Daniel Susac as their catcher of the future. 

[UtahSox]

4 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

 straight up for Adames would be fine with me, but i think the Giants view Daniel Susac as their catcher of the future. 

I listened to national guys on MLB Now saying how poor catcher play has been for them. Maybe 3 weeks ago….  I could be way off. 

[UtahSox]

Early/ Narvaez/ Mayer: I’m willing to move all 3 for proven bats 2027-2028. 

[Duran Is The Man]

57 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

I listened to national guys on MLB Now saying how poor catcher play has been for them. Maybe 3 weeks ago….  I could be way off. 

maybe why they called him up from Sacramento. he has a 0.5 WAR in just 30 games. Narvaez is a -0.2 in 40 games. 

[notin]

3 hours ago, UtahSox said:

If Narvaez has the value around the league that he has on BTV ship him…… tonight. His AB’s are not competitive. I think Wong and Gaspar have outplayed him. Maybe Narvaez for Adames straight up? Giants need a catcher of the future and we need a sh** ton of changes. 

Adames is a hard pass.  In 3 years, he’ll be Story…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 hours ago, notin said:

Adames is a hard pass.  In 3 years, he’ll be Story…

The never-mending Story...

And I once thought Kris Bryant with his righty power bat was the perfect free agent fit for Fenway Pahk..

... and I was right: since he's always on the IL, he'd fit right in with the Red-faced insult to injury Sox.

[Hugh2]

6 hours ago, notin said:

Adames is a hard pass.  In 3 years, he’ll be Story…

Because he'll be 33?

[Hugh2]

The must sells

Wilson Contreras, Sonny Gray, Aroldis Chapman, and Isiah Kiner-Falefa. 

There are other names we can talk about.  But all these players are on expiring deals (assuming Mutual options are not exercised which is almost certainly the case).  In the absence of any shot of making and competiting in the playoffs you just have to sell high on those guys. 

 

[Hugh2]

EDIT: Wilson Contreras is not on an expiring deal, he does have one more year left.  I'd still keep him on that list.  Someone would pay handsomely for him the way he's swinging the bat. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

EDIT: Wilson Contreras is not on an expiring deal, he does have one more year left.  I'd still keep him on that list.  Someone would pay handsomely for him the way he's swinging the bat. 

Keep Good WiLL! A star right-handed power hitter is exactly what the Red Sox need more of -- like four more of them.

Trading your only All-Star for a return of promising prospects just means another five-year rebuild... or however long fans are willing to wait for another Big Three hopefuls to fulfill hope.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

Because he'll be 33?

Because:

1.  He has less range than Sylvester Stallone and shouldn’t even be playing SS today

2.  All of his offensive metrics are trending in the wrong direction for the past 3 seasons (granted, moving to Oracle Park didn’t help him).

3. Yes, his age is getting into a range where career revivals are few and far between.

4. Adames has an NTC and no options to pick up to convince him to move.

Whats the argument for acquiring Adames and the $150mill he is owed over the next 5 years?

Also bear in mind, SF might be reluctant to deal him.  They’ve struggled to sign big name free agents recently despite competitive offers.  Trading away one of the few they can sign will not send a positive message for the future.

 

 

[Duran Is The Man]

33 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Keep Good WiLL! A star right-handed power hitter is exactly what the Red Sox need more of -- like four more of them.

Trading your only All-Star for a return of promising prospects just means another five-year rebuild... or however long fans are willing to wait for another Big Three hopefuls to fulfill hope.

i agree...the only position player on this team worth keeping. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

The must sells

Wilson Contreras, Sonny Gray, Aroldis Chapman, and Isiah Kiner-Falefa. 

There are other names we can talk about.  But all these players are on expiring deals (assuming Mutual options are not exercised which is almost certainly the case).  In the absence of any shot of making and competiting in the playoffs you just have to sell high on those guys. 

 

Contreras can be here through '28. If that's an expiring deal, there's a whole bunch of other players you can add to the list. 

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Because:

1.  He has less range than Sylvester Stallone and shouldn’t even be playing SS today

2.  All of his offensive metrics are trending in the wrong direction for the past 3 seasons (granted, moving to Oracle Park didn’t help him).

3. Yes, his age is getting into a range where career revivals are few and far between.

4. Adames has an NTC and no options to pick up to convince him to move.

Whats the argument for acquiring Adames and the $150mill he is owed over the next 5 years?

Also bear in mind, SF might be reluctant to deal him.  They’ve struggled to sign big name free agents recently despite competitive offers.  Trading away one of the few they can sign will not send a positive message for the future.

 

 

I wouldn't. But I do wonder if he's hurt. 

YOu don't go from having some of the best range in baseball to having the range of "sylvester stallone" in one year from normal decline.  He's battling something. 

If that's something he can easily recover from and that $150 million would be paid down would I consider it? yes

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Contreras can be here through '28. If that's an expiring deal, there's a whole bunch of other players you can add to the list. 

could be, but what are the odds? less than 10% certianly.  For all practical purposes I'd consider him here thru 27'

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I wouldn't. But I do wonder if he's hurt. 

YOu don't go from having some of the best range in baseball to having the range of "sylvester stallone" in one year from normal decline.  He's battling something. 

If that's something he can easily recover from and that $150 million would be paid down would I consider it? yes

SF wouldn't pay down enough to make it worthwhile. 

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

could be, but what are the odds? less than 10% certianly.  For all practical purposes I'd consider him here thru 27'

What are the options that a team picks up his 20M option for '28? Seems high to me! 

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What are the options that a team picks up his 20M option for '28? Seems high to me! 

I agree, and there is still a lot of games to be played, and time before the Red Sox have to make that decision. Either way he’s at least a keeper though 2027, and if traded he’d have to be replaced as will anyone like Chapman if traded.

 

[notin]

34 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

SF wouldn't pay down enough to make it worthwhile. 

Is there any indication they even want to trade him?  They did structured his contract to do so at this time - salary in 2026 is $13mill but jumps to $31mill for 2027. But that doesn’t make him available or consider his full NTC…

[notin]

3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Keep Good WiLL! A star right-handed power hitter is exactly what the Red Sox need more of -- like four more of them.

Trading your only All-Star for a return of promising prospects just means another five-year rebuild... or however long fans are willing to wait for another Big Three hopefuls to fulfill hope.

Four more RHH power hitters is most definitely a lofty expectation and probably less than the Sox actually need.  Even one more might make a substantial difference.   
 

Breslow’s current search for a RHH right now seems like a major non-story, with the only name to emerge so far as Isaac Paredes, and even that doesnt seem to have much life…

[Hugh2]

51 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What are the options that a team picks up his 20M option for '28? Seems high to me! 

I made an error, I thought it was a mutual option, it's a team option.  Yes, I'd say it's much higher.  

Well, this takes Contreras off the "must trade list" for certain but I would certainly still entertain offers. 

[Hugh2]

45 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I agree, and there is still a lot of games to be played, and time before the Red Sox have to make that decision. Either way he’s at least a keeper though 2027, and if traded he’d have to be replaced as will anyone like Chapman if traded.

 

I was wrong on Contreras, but Chapman is much more certain to be gone after this season.  

Without much playoff hope in 2026.....what should we keep Chapman and lose him for nothing?

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I was wrong on Contreras, but Chapman is much more certain to be gone after this season.  

Without much playoff hope in 2026.....what should we keep Chapman and lose him for nothing?

Why would you assume the Red Sox would lose Chapman at all. Did they lose him this past offseason?🤔

[Hugh2]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Why would you assume the Red Sox would lose Chapman at all. Did they lose him this past offseason?🤔

Because after this season he's a free agent. 

He has a mutual option for 27, which means BOTH him and the team have to exercise it......which hardly ever happens in such scenarios. 

[Hugh2]

It's not a slam dunk that Chapman and the Sox wouldn't both exercise the option for 2027 but it's pretty close to it.  He will be 39 in 2027.  If he's still good, and the Sox would want to exercise the option some team out there would pay more than 12.7 million for one year. 

Why would we assume he would be here for 2027?