Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[mvp 78]

If you acquire a LF and a DH, then you have no place for Anthony. You moving him too? 

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Toronto rode that 27th ranked offense and third ranked defense to the World Series last year….

They had plenty of hitting last year.  Bo was on fire in the playoffs , for example, but missed most of the year.  So thats why the 27th ranked offense was better in the playoffs. 

This feels like a Joe Brady post (not in good faith)

[drewski6]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If you acquire a LF and a DH, then you have no place for Anthony. You moving him too? 

I bet we have enough positional versatility to make it work.  Theres also first base.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Nobody is a longterm solution at any particular postion.  Dont care about where anybody plays.

Keepers:
Abreu: 

Cedanne (but will play him at 2b/ss, dont care, and think nothing of it)

Guys who will be given chance after chance at lest next 2-3 years
Anthony (DH)
Mayer

Not looking to move but will entertain offers
Contreras
Duran

Give me a LF, I have a spot for him. GIve me a DH I have a spot for him.  Give me a player who is a bat first but can field any position so/so - I can find a spot for him

The problem is we keep trying to improve the offense but with conditions, and then those conditions wind up not being much of an improvement but just a positional alignment shuffle......

Liek Moon: I am willing to fix the offense! Thats why im willing to trade abreu for paredes and a lefty pen pitcher and a prospect. You know, we really need that lefty pen arm

Um, you just got worse offensively.

OR 

We need a good hitter, but he needs to play 3b and do it well.  Good luck with that.  We need multiple top 25 mlb hitters....and when someone gets like this, it gets too specific and too many boxes and we end up compromising on the one thing we are trying to improve....thats how we wound up talking into durbin.

Give me 3 guys with OPS+ of at least 115, and ill find a spot for all 3.  ANd I care 0 what position they play.

Fix the offense.  Not fix the offense withotu making the defense worse.  Or fix the offense but while trying to be super budget efficient ("we cant get a DH cuz then we are wasting Masa's money")

Fix the offense.  Thtas the priority.  Not fix the offense but only if....

Bring back those 70s snd 80s teams!! Also early 2000s Cubs teams with the logic of “give me 8 bats and we’ll figure out where they play later!! Or that great 2008 Tigers team with Miguel Cabrera, Ivan Rodriguez, Curtis Granderson, Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Garry Sheffield, Justin Verlander, Kenny Rogers, Armando Galarraga and 88 losses…. 

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Bring back those 70s snd 80s teams!! Also early 2000s Cubs teams with the logic of “give me 8 bats and we’ll figure out where they play later!! Or that great 2008 Tigers team with Miguel Cabrera, Ivan Rodriguez, Curtis Granderson, Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Garry Sheffield, Justin Verlander, Kenny Rogers, Armando Galarraga and 88 losses…. 

im more willing to try a strategy that didint work 20 years ago when it was a different game than a strategy that flopped this year.

Yes, give me 8 good bats, but make sure maybe 5 of them are adequate dfensively....and load me up with high k pitchers.

Over .... you know.....this.

[drewski6]

or dont complain cuz you are asking for more of the same.

Dont complain, then ask for more of the same.

[drewski6]

We need a great hitter!
Yeah one who plays 3b, is right handed, is young, is cheap, and can maybe play 2b in a pinch.....

Oooh, what about durbin
Well he checks all the secondary boxes, but hes not really a great hitter
But he checks all the other boxes and if you squint he might be a decent hitter?
SIGN ME UP

Thats how we wound up in this mess.  You get so specific with the other boxes that you need the hitter to check that you end up compromising on the hitting ability, the one thing we shouldnt compromise on.

Yes, give me 8 bats.

[notin]

25 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

They had plenty of hitting last year.  Bo was on fire in the playoffs , for example, but missed most of the year.  So thats why the 27th ranked offense was better in the playoffs. 

This feels like a Joe Brady post (not in good faith)

True, the Blue Jays offense definitely suffered with Bichette being limited to a mere 628 plate appearances in the regular season….

[drewski6]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

True, the Blue Jays offense definitely suffered with Bichette being limited to a mere 628 plate appearances in the regular season….

well, maybe im thinking of someone else. But they had very good hitters, maybe those who werent hitting during reg season. But guys w talent who were capable of getting hot.  

I dont think its fair to compare the blue jays hitting last year to ours this year, is my main point.

[notin]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

well, maybe im thinking of someone else. But they had very good hitters, maybe those who werent hitting during reg season. But guys w talent who were capable of getting hot.  

I dont think its fair to compare the blue jays hitting last year to ours this year, is my main point.

You might have been thinking of Anthony Santander, their pricey free agent signing from the season prior who broke out in a big way just in time to sign a lucrative contract and then resumed his career of sub-mediocre production.  
 

But Toronto ladt year was pitching and defense.  They just didn’t stop at starting pitching like another CBO I could name…

[drewski6]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

You might have been thinking of Anthony Santander, their pricey free agent signing from the season prior who broke out in a big way just in time to sign a lucrative contract and then resumed his career of sub-mediocre production.  
 

But Toronto ladt year was pitching and defense.  They just didn’t stop at starting pitching like another CBO I could name…

But it was Vlad and Bo powering them through the playoffs, so you wanna talk about getting to the ws (playoff success) , lets talk about if they were a team of noodle bats in the playoffs.....And htey were not

Bro, there is no amount of relief pitching that would have this iteration of the red sox in a great position.  Maybe in a spot where we could maybe compete for a playoff spot but thats jsut becasue of a terrible al.

I will acknowledge that a balanced team isnt awful, but the red sox built a pitching juggernaut with 8 great starters thats why weve had 3 big pitching injuries and are still first in the AL in pitching WAR.  Imagine if we lost our 2 best hitters like weve lost our 2 best starters, we wouldnt have the 3rd best hitting in the league nor would we have the top hitting in the al

Breslow went all in on pitching and he should get sacked for it.  Like yesterday.

[drewski6]

Maybe if we promise to make cora cbo, cora will accept if he gets to tell breslow himself that breslow is out and hes got his office now.

What are you doing in my office?
What are YOU doing in MY office?
Huh?
What?
Breslow calls security
Security escorts Breslow out

[drewski6]

thats the only path i see to making this team watchable by 2028.

[notin]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

well, maybe im thinking of someone else. But they had very good hitters, maybe those who werent hitting during reg season. But guys w talent who were capable of getting hot.  

I dont think its fair to compare the blue jays hitting last year to ours this year, is my main point.

Why not?  They pitched and played defense and scored very little and came within a lead one step longer of winning a ring…

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Why not?  They pitched and played defense and scored very little and came within a lead one step longer of winning a ring…

Because they had much better hitters than we had, and despite whatever happened in the reg season....the hitters were raking in the playoffs.....we dont have the personnel.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Now the Sox are so poor that they need to save on Duran's future ARB costs... 😎

No, we are not poor, but who here thinks our budget is flexible enough to do all we need?

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, drewski6 said:

And give up Narvaez to do it!

And do what exactly with the savings? Bullpen? Starter? Another noodlebat who can field a position?

I'm not for that trade. I just presented what BTV showed.

BTW, Story is a noodle bat, too.

[drewski6]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I'm not for that trade. I just presented what BTV showed.

BTW, Story is a noodle bat, too.

Led the team in homeruns last year.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Need to trade Narvaez, Story AND Duran so that we can take on a parttime Catcher who hasn't hit over 200 since he turned 30 three years ago. 

I suggested Duran or Narvaez as possible additions to make BTV work- not both.

Again, I'm not for the trade, unless it's Story for Murphy 1 to 1, which BTV does not accept.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

No, we are not poor, but who here thinks our budget is flexible enough to do all we need?

It should be! Until it isn’t, they’ll keep banging their heads against the wall the way they have since winning in 18.

[drewski6]

I dont think the answer to this last place team is a backup catcher.

[mvp 78]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I suggested Duran or Narvaez as possible additions to make BTV work- not both.

Again, I'm not for the trade, unless it's Story for Murphy 1 to 1, which BTV does not accept.

Why would ATL want Story? Only place that would have even marginal in is maybe COL.

[drewski6]

The budget is fine at this level.  THe problem is breslow.  And no, Ranger Suarez contract will NOT age well

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Murphy is owed $30mill over 2 years after 2026.  Story is owed $25mill after 2026.  So Atlanta also saves cash.

Story is owed a $5M buyout for 2028 and a couple M more for the rest of 2026.

ATL does not save money.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Why would ATL want Story? Only place that would have even marginal in is maybe COL.

Im confused why our priority is flipping story. Im not against it, but i mean.....we have 7 holes on offense.

[drewski6]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Story is owed a $5M buyout for 2028 and a couple M more for the rest of 2026.

ATL does not save money.

Why are you so focused on saving money?  So Breslow can get more pitching?

[Old Red]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Why would ATL want Story? Only place that would have even marginal in is maybe COL.

Atlanta would not want Story, and Boston would not want Murphy.

[Old Red]

Just now, drewski6 said:

Why are you so focused on saving money?  So Breslow can get more pitching?

He’s always focused on saving money.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

3 hitters with OPS+ of 115 or better.

Is that after trading Contreras (171 OPS+ now)?

Right now, Rafaela (123) and Abreu (117) are over 115, but I do agree we need 2-3 more beyond the 3 we have now.

1 more would not be enough.

2 more mega bats might be enough.

[drewski6]

Just now, Old Red said:

He’s always focused on saving money.

its not the right mentality.  Trying to be hyper efficient in payroll is how we wound up in this mess.  Trying to squeeze value out of sunk costs.

NOt saying jsut spend , spend, spend.  Just saying that the issue with this team is that we are short on offensive talent. And if we save money, breslow is just going to get 4 more pitchers. Weve seen the movie before.