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A Realistic View at the 2027 Red Sox Part I
southpaw777 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I can see them not giving arb to Houck (projected 4.1m) Crawford (2.3m) Oviedo (1.8m) and Casas (1.8m) I can see pretty much all the first year arb guys getting deals. Duran Story and Yoshida need be traded. Arias should be our SS. I don’t see Gray coming back. I see them maybe using Bello, although I’d try and move him as well. They could also sign one of the many back end rotation arms available for less than Sonny Gray on the FA market. Lots of options for that 5th spot. I do like Gray a lot and would give him a nice deal. He’s earned it IMO, but I don’t see them doing that unfortunately. my big sign… I want Arozarena. Great fit. We NEED some power. They’ll have to Get him for at least his age 32-35. But I believe This guy will hit 30hr in Fenway, hit a bunch of 2bs and probably raise his BA a little. He can trade DH/LF with Anthony. Perfect fit IYAM. I’m not afraid of a 35 yo player. Not this guy at least. and after the haul they gave away for him, resigning Adley for 4+ years makes sense. He’ll be 29 next year. He’s still young and we don’t have anyone who will possibly be ready at Catcher until maybe 2029. I believe he would give us good production if he can stay healthy. theres really not much to get except a big legit power bat, a RH starter, resigning Adley and getting rid of some wasted roster spots worth about 60m in potential payroll. Gives us money for Adley and Arozarena and some arbitration cases. our farm looks really good. I expect a lot of promotions this year for a number of players. Primera, Goodbout, Hull, Schaffner, and Gonzales with a few names from 11-30 to keep an eye on as well. overall this team will be in a good position moving forward with a few needed moves this offseason. Not sure 2027 is going to happen. I hope they can work things out. Cap, floor, profit sharing. We’ll see. -
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A Realistic View at the 2027 Red Sox Part I
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Arbitration--Salary Cap
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Arbitration--Salary Cap
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I agree a lot of managers today use the hell out of relievers, but if starting pitching is good then it shouldn’t change much to what it is today besides more options and more needed rest for guys. Not so much up and down to Worcester. That’s more why id like it. They wear these guys out and they’re tired come September.
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Were thinking alike here… young players should only have one rookie MLB year at a set base rookie pay then hit 3 years of arbitration, then free agency. A player like Anthony would have been a FA by age 25. Most would be FA by age 28. there should be a cap a floor and some guardrails on deferred money. Also profit sharing for teams. Every owner can go to 150-175m and have a cap about 300m. absolutely agree on expanding roster sizes. Maybe even to 30 and 45. i also believe team owners like ours, should have to spend more than 44% of the teams profits back into the team. also, a side note… St Petersburg and MLB needs to let the Rays go somewhere other than that awful awful poor excuse for a baseball park. I like the Carolinas or Tennessee.
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Chad Tracy Gets 3-Year Deal
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I get what your saying, but I’d still have let Tolle at least finish that inning. You count on them all year and then lose trust come playoff time? I could understand if their choices for pitchers out of the pen was better than what was in there, but it wasn’t.
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Like I said, It’s more about the process prior to investing tens of millions into a young ballplayer that’s more important to me. It could or couldn’t work out either way you approach it…This is just how I’d do things. That’s all.
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Yes, I understand that and disagree with this part of HIS process…
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What a waste of prospects. I said it before and I’ll say it again I don’t care what prospects you trade as long as you get something of worth back. This guy was a waste of prospects. The fact that there were actually people on this board, defending this move as if it was good is ridiculous. I made a post stating that on its own, This trade wouldn’t be that bad considering it was at the deadline and it was in division. I said it would only be a good trade of Adley Rushman Throw it out every runner and hit close to 300. Obviously he didn’t come close to either of that. For trading four or five good quality prospects for a guy that didn’t even move The needle is a firable offense..
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Nope, I don’t care who it’s worked for and who it hasn’t worked for. It’s irrelevant to me. It’s all about the process to me. And no, I’m not concerned that a multi billionaire might have to pay a couple million more by waiting a year. Anything else?
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The analytics said so. Not watching the game happening right in front of you. The decision was made before the game even started. Nevermind the humans playing the game,
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It’s just my own personal preference. I don’t care if it costs a couple more million per year. That’s really the only issue with waiting a little bit, and if we’re pinching Pennie’s now in Boston…well…that’s pretty sad. Henry had zero intentions of giving Betts what he deserved and was going to get in FA. (30m per plus)Apples and oranges compared to the four names listed. Betts was considered a generational star where the other guys are not. I agree some work out and some don’t. Not all players are in the same category. All negotiations are different. I’d still wait to see the adjustment first with most every player before giving them a long term multi million dollar deal.
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Here’s a quote from a scout, which is basically what most everyone in baseball, is saying while they’re laughing at us… "The Red Sox were beleaguered by injuries, but their mid game pitching decisions made the series a laugher," the scout said. "Seems like they are leaning so hard on the large sample size that they are ignoring what their eyes were telling them. In a must win game, the choice to never use (Aroldis) Chapman until the series was over, has had people fired for less." in other words, as usual, the analytics nerds ignore the human element of the game and decide what the move is beforehand no matter what’s actually going on in the game. It makes no sense. Tolle was ok, and Gray was fine as well. They bring in a guy who has been struggling and promptly blows BOTH games. When in reality both starters should have been left the F**k alone.
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I would stick to waiting a full year no matter who it is. That’s just my way I’d do it. I don’t care about who’s worked out and who hasn’t. You’re not losing out on anything waiting a year. Or are we now complaining that the owner might have to cough up another million or two a year to play it safe? That shouldn’t be a concern for this team.
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I hope that’s not the case. I questioned both this and Campbells premature deals. In my opinion, you wait for a FULL MLB YEAR so the pitchers can adjust then you can see how the player adjusts back. Campbell had questions with his swing but had a good first month. When they adjusted to his holes in that swing he couldn’t adjust back. Now he’s a AAA player making 7m per. Anthony looked good before they adjusted to him when he got hurt. The next year he never really got going before getting hurt again. He never adjusted back but they gave him 16.25 per regardless. Id have waited on both. Breslow thought he was smart getting ahead of it. Neither were any kind of guarantee and neither have really contributed at the MLB level.
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Oh, I’m 100% sure this came from Breslow. I think it’s the dumbest way to play a playoff baseball game. I don’t think it gives you the best chance to win. Eric Miller looked bad down the stretch and they went to him twice. Dumb. The game wasn’t even close to out of hand. Gray was right. He’s the best starter the 3rd time through. It’s analytics BS. And Tolle is a gamer. I’d have let h8m at least finish that inning. I guess that’s the way some teams play the game now, whatever. I’ll never agree that that’s the way you should play the game. And I don’t agree that it gives you the best chance to win the game. You shouldn’t rely on middle relievers over your top starters. Especially when some have not looked good in September. Crochet had zero business in that situation just coming off a season long injury with no real game time. Maybe if we had a lead early, but not then. Lots of stupid decisions which is concerning moving forward if Breslow is indeed calling the shots. if this is they way they are going to use their starters in the playoffs going forward, then we’re gonna lose a lot of games IMO.
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I get that but this wasn’t the right choice here. They made that plan before the game and should have gone with how the game was going. It was far from out of hand with either guy. Who cares if there was some traffic, one guy crossed the plate for Tolle and 2 for Gray. 83 and 70 pitches? Sorry, I’ll never agree with that line of thinking. CAsh blew a WS game by pulling his Ace early. Haven’t been there since in 18 years. Gray and Tolle pitched against this team all year. Let them make adjustments on the mound. They’re top starters in the league. That’s what they do. I would trust them to finish that inning more than anyone out of the pen. Sad they don’t trust their top two starters.

