Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

22 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I WAS 100% convinced that the issue was all Devers, but I'm rapidly coming around to the idea that Breslow is a terrible manager and that this could have been handled much better by someone else. 

Perhaps a psychiatrist.

[UtahSox]

22 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I WAS 100% convinced that the issue was all Devers, but I'm rapidly coming around to the idea that Breslow is a terrible manager and that this could have been handled much better by someone else. 

2 thoughts permeate in my head:

1- Breslow is terrible at roster construction and the fact he thought this team would be fine offensively was a massive risk. He wanted to win the value game in Nov-Feb and misjudged the value of bats. SP is easier to obtain than bats ergo he got better “value” with Starting pitching. a serious miscalculation on his part.

2- Cora created a culture of absolute Divas, he allowed Devers to become who he became. The fact that mid 500 ops Story felt the GM needed to talk to him about any roster/organizational moves was comical. It makes me think the culture of clubhouse needs a complete reset. Guys mentally weak like Mayer, Story, Duran, Casas, Devers show the culture. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

2 thoughts permeate in my head:

1- Breslow is terrible at roster construction and the fact he thought this team would be fine offensively was a massive risk. He wanted to win the value game in Nov-Feb and misjudged the value of bats. SP is easier to obtain than bats ergo he got better “value” with Starting pitching. a serious miscalculation on his part.

2- Cora created a culture of absolute Divas, he allowed Devers to become who he became. The fact that mid 500 ops Story felt the GM needed to talk to him about any roster/organizational moves was comical. It makes me think the culture of clubhouse needs a complete reset. Guys mentally weak like Mayer, Story, Duran, Casas, Devers show the culture. 

I think rich MLB stars are just inherently divas now. Down to earth guys are unicorns. 

[drewski6]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think Breslow will be able to pull it off. He is also in the mode of "if we can just string some wins together." Sox need to realize it's a lost season and look towards building for 2027 and beyond. 

sounds like more of the same

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I think rich MLB stars people are just inherently divas now. Down to earth guys are unicorns. 

True, but also true ^

[vegasbob]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Honestly, if I thought Breslow was going to try and save his job by winning more games in a season that is obviously lost and trade the future away for just a few more wins now I'd fire him before the deadline. 

Agree 100%.  Breslow needs to realize that he messed this up and the best way to correct course would be to get some value out of expiring contracts.   

But in doing that Brez sort of admits to the mistakes and for a genius like himself, that is a very tall order, not likely to be filled. 

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

But just why? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Devers bounces back a little next year but lets say his decline is real.  He has a .729 OPS.  Let's say that's is real and that is who he is.  How is a .729 OPS guy who can't run, can't field, and is a pain in the butt teammate going to help this team?  

I think there may be a sense of nostalgia surrounding a player like Devers.  But again, I think that ship has sailed.  

Sure, if his predicted OPS is .729.  He hits 32-35 HRs consistently.  OPS consistently .825+.  You could be correct that he will be a .729 player going forward, but I'd wager against that.  He's not even 30 yet, so his decline should be 3-4 year away.

[jdc69]

On 6/26/2026 at 10:04 AM, UtahSox said:

2 thoughts permeate in my head:

1- Breslow is terrible at roster construction and the fact he thought this team would be fine offensively was a massive risk. He wanted to win the value game in Nov-Feb and misjudged the value of bats. SP is easier to obtain than bats ergo he got better “value” with Starting pitching. a serious miscalculation on his part.

2- Cora created a culture of absolute Divas, he allowed Devers to become who he became. The fact that mid 500 ops Story felt the GM needed to talk to him about any roster/organizational moves was comical. It makes me think the culture of clubhouse needs a complete reset. Guys mentally weak like Mayer, Story, Duran, Casas, Devers show the culture. 

So its not Breslow vs Cora, it's they both suck.

I wouldnt say Devers was mentally weak, just grumpy and unsociable. These days I cant stand the overly positive types more. 

[moonslav59]

29 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

So its not Breslow vs Cora, it's they both suck.

I wouldnt say Devers was mentally weak, just grumpy and unsociable. These days I cant stand the overly positive types more. 

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

[Old Red]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

 

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

Still hung up on that insubordination thing. That’s funny considering Cora never asked Raffy to play 1B. I never heard Cora being asked why, or given his reasons, so everything is nothing, but pure speculation why. Of course that hasn’t stopped everyone from speculating.

[Old Red]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

Come on let’s do this together. I’ll say Brez, and you say LOW. Brez LOW, Brez LOW, Brez LOW.

My first name is Craig

My last name ends in LOW

Everyone dislikes me

Everywhere I go

but I just shrug and grin

Because I got the  Red Sox in last place again.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

 

Still hung up on that insubordination thing. That’s funny considering Cora never asked Raffy to play 1B. I never heard Cora being asked why, or given his reasons, so everything is nothing, but pure speculation why. Of course that hasn’t stopped everyone from speculating.

Including you, speculating Cora didn’t think Devers could play first.   Immediately disproven in San Fran, where 1b is played the same way as it is in Boston…
 

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

 

Still hung up on that insubordination thing. That’s funny considering Cora never asked Raffy to play 1B. I never heard Cora being asked why, or given his reasons, so everything is nothing, but pure speculation why. Of course that hasn’t stopped everyone from speculating.

And the insubordination thing is not speculation.  Who cares if Cora asked? Devers himself said on camera he was not moving to 1b, he shouldn’t “have to play every position,” and it’s Breslow’s job to go get a replacement for the injured Casas. (In June, no less.)

That’s NOT insubordination in your eyes?  

Yeah, just typical subordination, I guess…

[Hugh2]

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[Hugh2]

Devers OPS last 4 weeks.  1.062 we may have spoke too soon. 

Although to be fair, in that same time frame Durbin has put up a .965 OPS while playing premium defense and for peanuts on the dollar. 

Sox still need a thumper in the middle. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, notin said:

And the insubordination thing is not speculation.  Who cares if Cora asked? Devers himself said on camera he was not moving to 1b, he shouldn’t “have to play every position,” and it’s Breslow’s job to go get a replacement for the injured Casas. (In June, no less.)

That’s NOT insubordination in your eyes?  

Yeah, just typical subordination, I guess…

We’ve already gone over this 1000 times already. Cora was right to not ask Raffy to play 1B, and putting all the facts together that we KNOW Raffy was justified in telling bresLOW what he did. How many years had they been looking for a 1B to replace an injured Casas? Most likely Cora, and players on the team were thinking what Raffy said. Once again more that justified IMO.

[notin]

Just now, Old Red said:

We’ve already gone over this 1000 times already. Cora was right to not ask Raffy to play 1B, and putting all the facts together that we KNOW Raffy was justified in telling bresLOW what he did. How many years had they been looking for a 1B to replace an injured Casas? Most likely Cora, and players on the team were thinking what Raffy said. Once again more that justified IMO.

Wow, you’ve stopped speaking for Cora and started speaking for the whole team.  
 

And why was Cora right not to ask?

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Including you, speculating Cora didn’t think Devers could play first.   Immediately disproven in San Fran, where 1b is played the same way as it is in Boston…
 

 

Gone over this already also. SF was a whole different situation. Raffy was going to a new team whom already had a good incumbent 3B. That fact changes the whole situation from Boston. Also Cora wasn’t the manager who knew Raffy best.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Wow, you’ve stopped speaking for Cora and started speaking for the whole team.  
 

And why was Cora right not to ask?

Where does anything say Whole team. Doing some embellishing I see. Once again already gone over all this.

[notin]

Just now, Old Red said:

Gone over this already also. SF was a whole different situation. Raffy was going to a new team whom already had a good incumbent 3B. That fact changes the whole situation from Boston. Also Cora wasn’t the manager who knew Raffy best.

No it doesn’t.  Boston had a better 3b, too.  All you’re doing is promoting diva behavior among players already being paid $30mill.

Devers was a bad 3b.  He needed to be moved. That’s reality.  Cora knew this.   Bregman is a very good 3b.

Devers’ job is to play where he is told and bat where he is told.  And Devers was not “justified” in any of his comments. If things don’t work out, thats on Breslow in this case (whether Breslow admits it or not).  Management may not always make the right decision, but they are accountable for making the decisions, and Devers is not….

[notin]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Where does anything say Whole team. Doing some embellishing I see. Once again already gone over all this.

From you: “Most likely Cora, and players on the team were thinking what Raffy said.”

If your counter argument is “that’s not the whole team,” it’s a weak comeback that ignores the point…

[Old Red]

44 minutes ago, notin said:

No it doesn’t.  Boston had a better 3b, too.  All you’re doing is promoting diva behavior among players already being paid $30mill.

Devers was a bad 3b.  He needed to be moved. That’s reality.  Cora knew this.   Bregman is a very good 3b.

Devers’ job is to play where he is told and bat where he is told.  And Devers was not “justified” in any of his comments. If things don’t work out, thats on Breslow in this case (whether Breslow admits it or not).  Management may not always make the right decision, but they are accountable for making the decisions, and Devers is not….

I guess you don’t get seniority. Raffy for better or worse was the incumbent 3B since 2017. That doesn’t matter to you, but it did to Raffy, and Cora, and once again for better, or worse Cora would have put Bregman at 2B, because of that just like he did with Story for Xander. Raffy by all accounts played where Cora told him to play, and that’s what matters to me. You can disagree on the comments Raffy said to bresLOW  all you want, but that doesn’t change anything to me.

[Old Red]

41 minutes ago, notin said:

From you: “Most likely Cora, and players on the team were thinking what Raffy said.”

If your counter argument is “that’s not the whole team,” it’s a weak comeback that ignores the point…

Once again parsing words between players, and all players on the team. Yesterday it was questioning questions marks. Wow!🤔👋

[notin]

28 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Once again parsing words between players, and all players on the team. Yesterday it was questioning questions marks. Wow!🤔👋

I use what you give me.  At least I don’t make up what you say.

And the full context from yesterday was what made you wrong.  Sad you could not own your mistake.  

 

[Old Red]

16 minutes ago, notin said:

I use what you give me.  At least I don’t make up what you say.

And the full context from yesterday was what made you wrong.  Sad you could not own your mistake.  

 

You may use what I give you, but how you interpret it that gets it wrong. I know you think your a good interpreter, but you’re NOT, and that’s why you’re NNN.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I guess you don’t get seniority. Raffy for better or worse was the incumbent 3B since 2017. That doesn’t matter to you, but it did to Raffy, and Cora, and once again for better, or worse Cora would have put Bregman at 2B, because of that just like he did with Story for Xander. Raffy by all accounts played where Cora told him to play, and that’s what matters to me. You can disagree on the comments Raffy said to bresLOW  all you want, but that doesn’t change anything to me.

Oh it clearly mattered to Devers, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right way to run a team.   Plenty of players have changed positions to accommodate another player, and usually decisions made by seniority have poor results (Jeter/ARod). 
 

Devers didn’t want to move off third.  Probably a point of pride.  But the truth is, he was awful there, and never really got above awful.  It was time to move on like so many other third baseman before him.  Cora knew it wasn’t going to go over well.  He was right.  Arguments exist about Breslow overreacting by trading him, but it’s worth pointing out Devers’ people did mention something about a “fresh start”…
 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Oh it clearly mattered to Devers, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right way to run a team.   Plenty of players have changed positions to accommodate another player, and usually decisions made by seniority have poor results (Jeter/ARod). 
 

Devers didn’t want to move off third.  Probably a point of pride.  But the truth is, he was awful there, and never really got above awful.  It wasn’t time to move on like so many other third baseman before him.  Cora knew it wasn’t going to go over well.  He was right.  Arguments exist about Breslow overreacting by trading him, but it’s worth pointing out Devers’ people did mention something about a “fresh start”…
 

Plus, his "fresh start" has not been without controversy and further incidents that call to mind the idea of selfishness or pride getting in the way of what the Giants view as what's best for the team.

Devers thought he was a good defensive 3Bman. That's not unusual for good to great players to think that. It's part of the psyche that makes them good to begin with. I prided myself on my good defense, as I sucked at hitting a baseball, but Devers would blow me away on defense. It's only when comparing to other MLB 3Bmen that he pales.

It wasn't about convincing him he was not good at 3B defense. It was obvious to everyone that Bregman was better and actually way better. Everyone but Devers, of if by chance he did know Breggie was better, it makes what he did even worse.

Cora ended up playing Breggie at 3B, whether he wanted to or not. It was a mistake to tell Devers to put his glove away, when there was that window where they could have told him, we need you to be prepared to DH, play 1B and be Breggie's back-up at 3B. That may have hit Devers harder than telling him he was going to be the FT DH, but I kinda think Devers would have rather played 1B than DH, but that is just my opinion. I never liked Casas as our 1Bman and felt he should DH over Devers to begin with. The Casas fragility question was known for years. Not foreseeing the need for Devers to work out at 1B was a major blunder. Maybe the fragility of the Devers ego made them think they better not even ask too much of him, until they need to, but that was the ultimate mistake by Brez, Cora or whoever you want to blame for not making it happen- like the Giants were able to do.

[jdc69]

8 hours ago, notin said:

Devers’ job is to play where he is told and bat where he is told.  And Devers was not “justified” in any of his comments. If things don’t work out, thats on Breslow in this case (whether Breslow admits it or not).  Management may not always make the right decision, but they are accountable for making the decisions, and Devers is not….

Obviously Devers had some say in what position he would play, without too much harm done to his career. He had power enough to not listen to people who, I think, and maybe he did too, are making terrible decisions, and he used it. If his job is to do whatever they say, their job is to be smart and not ruin his career making him play a position he never played. 

Im as big a believer in team as anyone but not so much as to sacrifice your own career. 

[jdc69]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

For years Devers looked like a happy guy who loved the game. He often wore a wide smile, but was kinda on the quiet side. I always felt that was more of a language issue than being an introvert, but it was hard to tell.

I never got a hint of selfishness or insubordination, until the talk began about moving him off 3B. Nobody handled it well, including Devers.

I'll buy that. I just find him chill and making smart decisions at bat or elsewhere. 

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