Red Sox (Crochet) vs Blue Jays (Scherzer): 9/24/25, 7:07pm

[d-money]

Stros look like a dead team.  22-26 since august 1. Under 500 baseball. 

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Freddy's just disappointed because it appears the Sox will make the PO's. However, if the Sox lose a PO series, he'll just continue calling them the Flops and continue to blame Brez for not obtaining a top shelf starter at the deadline. And he'll post M&M's for the 1000th time.

Yup. I’ll keep it real with Breslows incompetence at the TD. You guys desperately need a dose of reality. But as I wrote elsewhere the flops label goes away for 2025 if they don’t blow their chance to make the playoffs.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

Yup. I’ll keep it real with Breslows incompetence at the TD. You guys despised a dose of reality. But as I wrote elsewhere the flops label goes away for 2025 if they don’t blow their chance to make the playoffs.

I'll also keep it real. Not one GM of a contending team at the deadline obtained a top shelf starter. I know this will matter little to you, but I'm just trying to keep it real, not fantasy.

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I'll also keep it real. Not one GM of a contending team at the deadline obtained a top shelf starter. I know this will matter little to you, but I'm just trying to keep it real, not fantasy.

I really don’t care what the other GMs did. I know other teams who were buyers improved their team. For example the Ms got Naylor and Suarez. Given our offense lately we certainly could have used some help-help

we didn’t get.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Watch out for the A's next season. I'm glad they're not going to be in the PO's this season.

[vegasbob]

A's prevail 6-0 over Astros.

Houston cannot name a starting pitcher for what will be an elimination game for them.  Maybe their GM needs to work harder

[Beaneater]

8 hours ago, FredLynn said:

He didn’t deserve to get tossed

In the replay it looked like he pretty clearly indicated a line to the ump as if to say, "Here's where that pitch was." I know if you draw an actual line in the dirt, you're gone, no questions asked. I'm guessing that the same gesture made in the air, as I think Vladdy did, is also a one-strike-you're-out offense.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

To those who say pitchers should not win the MVP, because they only pitch every 5 games. I realize they are not part of those 4 in 5 games, but they more than make up for it in the one they do play in. 

Consider this...

Crochet has 788 PAs against, and he should go over 800 tonight.

How many everyday players get 800+ PAs in a season?

BTW, Bello has 677 and Gio 613 against.

 

As someone who believes an everyday player is more valuable than any one starting pitcher I have to say this is an interesting thought and one I had not considered.  But IMO you really have to look at the number of games a player affects to judge their value.  When you only play in 32 of 164 it's a hard argument to make IMO.  The argument that a DH should not win it or get in the HOF because he plays no defense can be utilized on pitchers as well.  Only instead of only playing offense they only play defense.  

 

 

[moonslav59]

This team is the offspring of past flopping parents. It's in our DNA.

Thus Spoke Fredathustra.

[Bellhorn04]

7 hours ago, FredLynn said:

I really don’t care what the other GMs did. I know other teams who were buyers improved their team. For example the Ms got Naylor and Suarez. Given our offense lately we certainly could have used some help-help

we didn’t get.

Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself?  You're saying you don't care what other GMs did at the same time you're saying other GMs did more than Breslow.  🤪

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Random thoughts:

I was fine with little movement at the deadline and remain so.  I will never believe this team is a #2 starter away from a ring and I sure did not want to deal prospects. 

I may never trust Bello, just as I never really trusted Oil Can Boyd even when he had good numbers.

The Red Sox record at the end of September is 1.5 games behind the Los Angeles Dodgers. Let that sink in.

From what I have seen it looks like Detroit had a team of over achievers, so many players were playing far better then their careers would suggest, and it caught up with them.  

Really happy that they jumped on Max early and took the wind out of their sails.  Crochet has not been dominant lately and I was concerned about 4 days of rest.  His performance was huge.  

 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself?  You're saying you don't care what other GMs did at the same time you're saying other GMs did more than Breslow.  🤪

It doesn't matter what the M's did, anyway. Their DNA is 100% flopadocious.

It's all destiny.

[Bellhorn04]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It doesn't matter what the M's did, anyway. Their DNA is 100% flopadocious.

It's all destiny.

Lowe is hitting better than Suarez in their new uniforms, another point that may have eluded Fred.

[mvp 78]

Flops 99.5%

Guardians 96.4%

Tigers 79.6%

Astros 24.5%

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Lowe is hitting better than Suarez in their new uniforms, another point that may have eluded Fred.

He has a higher OPS, but far less PAs, HRs and RBIs.

Still, Lowe has 15 RBI in 105 BOS PAs, Suarez has 27 in 203 PAs- pretty close to the same ratio.

Who was the other big bat traded? Correa? .775 OPS and 19 RBI in 210 PAs for the flopping Astros.

How about O'Hearn? .718 and 19 RBI in 171 PAs.

Yaz? .782 and 15 RBI in 167 PAs.

My guy, Joe Ryan, has sucked. That's why I cut Brez some slack on this.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Lowe is hitting better than Suarez in their new uniforms, another point that may have eluded Fred.

Sox needed a 1b AND a 2b. Maybe they could have worked out a Lowe/Nunez deal from the Nats at the deadline? 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He has a higher OPS, but far less PAs, HRs and RBIs.

Still, Lowe has 15 RBI in 105 BOS PAs, Suarez has 27 in 203 PAs- pretty close to the same ratio.

Who was the other big bat traded? Correa? .775 OPS and 19 RBI in 210 PAs for the flopping Astros.

How about O'Hearn? .718 and 19 RBI in 171 PAs.

Yaz? .782 and 15 RBI in 167 PAs.

My guy, Joe Ryan, has sucked. That's why I cut Brez some slack on this.

One of the obvious needs was the right side of the IF. Could fill a hole there for a lot cheaper than a TOTR guy. Ryan wasn't a realistic target. 

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

One of the obvious needs was the right side of the IF. Could fill a hole there for a lot cheaper than a TOTR guy. Ryan wasn't a realistic target. 

Apparently, we kicked the tires on Ryan.

I've agreed many times that Brez shoulda have done more. He likely could have done more, but it's hard to judge without specifics.

I the overall scheme of things, Brez did a fine job building a what amounted to a 50-60 man roster over the winter and did okay with Lowe and Matz at the deadline. Since many jusge deals on just hindsight, then Lowe and Matz were fine.

[drewski6]

9 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Yup. I’ll keep it real with Breslows incompetence at the TD. You guys desperately need a dose of reality. But as I wrote elsewhere the flops label goes away for 2025 if they don’t blow their chance to make the playoffs.

theyve practically made the playoffs.

[d-money]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

theyve practically made the playoffs.

They can make it in basically without playing if the Stros lose this afternoon. I want the sweep though. I wanna beat the blue jays. 

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Apparently, we kicked the tires on Ryan.

It wasn't realistic. Sox went back and forth with the Twins, even offering Tolle plus a bunch of other guys right up to the end, but the Twins kept saying it wasn't enough. Twins were just stringing them along. Brezzz was just wasting his time with that one. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Anthony update: Roman has made significant progress... at breakfast -- from using his hands to eat wake-up wraps to a metal fork to eat blueberry flapjacks. However, only training staff are currently allowed to wield butter knives to pre-cut the flops into bite-sizes.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself?  You're saying you don't care what other GMs did at the same time you're saying other GMs did more than Breslow.  🤪

Let me clarify this again for those who are having a hard time here: Breslow whiffed at the TD. He admitted as much. Sports writers acknowledged he failed. He could have improved the chances the team had for a deep playoff run but he didn’t. Frankly anyone here who claims they are thrilled with his haul at the TD is lying.

[FredLynn]

3 hours ago, Beaneater said:

In the replay it looked like he pretty clearly indicated a line to the ump as if to say, "Here's where that pitch was." I know if you draw an actual line in the dirt, you're gone, no questions asked. I'm guessing that the same gesture made in the air, as I think Vladdy did, is also a one-strike-you're-out offense.

Fans come to the game to see star players. A little more tolerance was in order. 

[drewski6]

23 minutes ago, d-money said:

They can make it in basically without playing if the Stros lose this afternoon. I want the sweep though. I wanna beat the blue jays. 

Agreed. Momentum is important, want to sail in with our heads high, not limp in because other teams ran out of time to catch us.

[drewski6]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It wasn't realistic. Sox went back and forth with the Twins, even offering Tolle plus a bunch of other guys right up to the end, but the Twins kept saying it wasn't enough. Twins were just stringing them along. Brezzz was just wasting his time with that one. 

I heard some dude told him this and he fired that guy.  Like he fired the guy who called him a stiff.  Dont tell Brez something he doesnt want to hear.

[notin]

9 hours ago, vegasbob said:

A's prevail 6-0 over Astros.

Houston cannot name a starting pitcher for what will be an elimination game for them.  Maybe their GM needs to work harder

That can’t be. He was very active at the trade deadline…

[notin]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Let me clarify this again for those who are having a hard time here: Breslow whiffed at the TD. He admitted as much. Sports writers acknowledged he failed. He could have improved the chances the team had for a deep playoff run but he didn’t. Frankly anyone here who claims they are thrilled with his haul at the TD is lying.

Nobody other than maybe Steve Matz and Dustin May was happy with his performance at the TD.  But that he should be FIRED for it is flat out ignorance.  His job is much, much more than a couple days at the end of July, and there is a world of difference between Breslow and Bloom at the deadline…

[moonslav59]

26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It wasn't realistic. Sox went back and forth with the Twins, even offering Tolle plus a bunch of other guys right up to the end, but the Twins kept saying it wasn't enough. Twins were just stringing them along. Brezzz was just wasting his time with that one. 

Brez didn't pay the price asked- just like other possible deals not made. 

Yes, the asking price was higher, but so was the return. It's all relative and realistic.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I heard some dude told him this and he fired that guy.  Like he fired the guy who called him a stiff.  Dont tell Brez something he doesnt want to hear.

Did this really happen?