Red Sox (Crochet) vs Blue Jays (Scherzer): 9/24/25, 7:07pm

[notin]

55 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Fans come to the game to see star players. A little more tolerance was in order. 

No.  Star players need to play by the same rules as everyone else…

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Let me clarify this again for those who are having a hard time here: Breslow whiffed at the TD. He admitted as much. Sports writers acknowledged he failed. He could have improved the chances the team had for a deep playoff run but he didn’t. Frankly anyone here who claims they are thrilled with his haul at the TD is lying.

But you do realize that you are on the cusp of taking back the flops label. Youve backed yourself into a corner on this one.  Due to your pessimism, you have missed that we were 90%+ to make the playoffs for awhile now.  As you continue to paw at a possibility of an epic collapse that was further away than you thought.  

And part of the reason why that collapse was further away than you thought is because you arent caring enough about what other GMs do.  The red sox are going to make the playoffs, and now you cant call them the flops.  When just yesterday you were going on about the flop.

Whether or not we make the playoffs has always had more to do with the rest of the league.  And the league is in a dismal state.

Now that doesnt mean we havent made great improvements and look better set up going forward.  Im liking our future.  But the fact that we will make the playoffs, has a lot to do with a weak AL and even some luck (there is always luck when you edge out teams by 2 games over 162).  So now you have to stop calling them the flops and completely change your tune on team because they went from 95% likely to make the playoffs to 98% in the last couple of days?

Not much has changed. The AL has been horrible the last 3 years.  Sometime over the offseason (prob the crochet trade) we went from average in a terrible AL to well above average in a terrible AL. It doesnt mean this team has had a radical change to their identity in the last week. But now they must in your eyes becuase theyve been floppers and losers for years in your eyes, and now they arent because they made the playoffs in a year where teams who sold off almost made it?

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

One of the obvious needs was the right side of the IF. Could fill a hole there for a lot cheaper than a TOTR guy. Ryan wasn't a realistic target. 

This feels so true and obvious in hindsight but I was screaming get joe ryan at my tv with 2 mins left before the deadline.

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Did this really happen?

No

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Nobody other than maybe Steve Matz and Dustin May was happy with his performance at the TD.  But that he should be FIRED for it is flat out ignorance.  His job is much, much more than a couple days at the end of July, and there is a world of difference between Breslow and Bloom at the deadline…

Thats not true. The whole team was ecstatic at the trade deadline because he didnt trade duran.

[drewski6]

breslows best deadline move was not trading duran and that should count for a lot.

[Jasonbay44]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

breslows best deadline move was not trading duran and that should count for a lot.

That Dustin May trade was a game changer! 

[mvp 78]

35 minutes ago, notin said:

Did this really happen?

President Notin, a second staffer has just been fired by Breslow...

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, notin said:

No.  Star players need to play by the same rules as engine else…

choo choo

[mvp 78]

33 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

This feels so true and obvious in hindsight but I was screaming get joe ryan at my tv with 2 mins left before the deadline.

Well you should have agreed with me in real time then. Easy mistake. 

[Bellhorn04]

58 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Let me clarify this again for those who are having a hard time here: Breslow whiffed at the TD. He admitted as much. Sports writers acknowledged he failed. He could have improved the chances the team had for a deep playoff run but he didn’t. Frankly anyone here who claims they are thrilled with his haul at the TD is lying.

Let me clarify your hilarious self-contradiction.

Fred:

"Other GMs did more than Breslow at the deadline."

SPLINTER

"No other teams acquired a top shelf starter either."

Fred:

"I don't care what other GMs did."

 

[notin]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

President Notin, a second staffer has just been fired by Breslow...

Then I want the War Room on full alert.  This is Def Con 5.  No, make that Def Con 8!  And counting.  And when we get to Def Con 12, sell!

[notin]

33 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thats not true. The whole team was ecstatic at the trade deadline because he didnt trade duran.

Fair point…

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Let me clarify your hilarious self-contradiction.

Fred:

"Other GMs did more than Breslow at the deadline."

SPLINTER

"No other teams acquired a top shelf starter either."

Fred:

"I don't care what other GMs did."

 

I used what other gms did for comparison. If you are going to claim you are thrilled with Breslow's haul at the TD you are lying.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I used what other gms did for comparison. If you are going to claim you are thrilled with Breslow's haul at the TD you are lying.

And if you think he should be fired for it, you’re unrealistic…

[FredLynn]

36 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thats not true. The whole team was ecstatic at the trade deadline because he didnt trade duran.

I'm certain that the whole team felt not trading Duran provided them with what they need to make a deep run into Oct. The players knew what the needs were. Everyone did. Here's a little excerpt I looked up to refresh the memory of those who want to continue the delusion that Breslow did his job at the TD: 

 

No, the Boston Red Sox were largely unsuccessful and met with significant criticism at the 2025 MLB trade deadline, with their limited pitching acquisitions of Dustin May and Steven Matz being viewed as underwhelming and insufficient for a team in contention for a playoff spot. Experts described the deadline as a disappointment and an "epic fail" for Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow, who was criticized for failing to make more significant moves to address roster flaws and improve the team for a playoff run. 

Criticism of the Red Sox's Trade Deadline

 

• Underwhelming Acquisitions: The Red Sox acquired pitchers Dustin May and Steven Matz, but these moves were seen as mediocre, adding to the team's depth rather than making significant upgrades. 
• Failure to Address Needs: Experts noted that the acquisitions didn't significantly improve the team or address the Red Sox's flaws, leaving them in a middle ground. 
• Lack of "Going For It" Moves: The team's limited activity was a disappointment to many, as there were expectations that they would make more aggressive moves to solidify their roster for a postseason push. 
• Rival Improvements: Other teams like the Mariners improved with significant trades, highlighting the Red Sox's relative inaction and making their own deadline strategy look worse by comparison. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=mlb+trade+rumors+red+sox&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1157US1157&oq=&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqGAgDEAAYQhiRAhi0AhjqAhiABBiMBBiKBTIYCAAQABhCGJECGLQCGOoCGIAEGIwEGIoFMhgIARAAGEIYkQIYtAIY6gIYgAQYjAQYigUyGAgCEAAYQhiRAhi0AhjqAhiABBiMBBiKBTIYCAMQABhCGJECGLQCGOoCGIAEGIwEGIoFMhgIBBAAGEIYkQIYtAIY6gIYgAQYjAQYigUyFQgFECMYJxjqAhiABBiMBBiKBRitBjIGCAYQRRhA0gEKMTM3ODg2ajBqOagCBrACAfEFADNiBHA7zB0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I used what other gms did for comparison. If you are going to claim you are thrilled with Breslow's haul at the TD you are lying.

The point is you also said you don't care what other GMs did - but you only use that one when it's pointed out that other teams didn't do that great either.  It's amusing.  

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, notin said:

And if you think he should be fired for it, you’re unrealistic…

As I wrote if the FLOPS make the playoffs I am not going to fire him. However, if they FLOP like many FLOPS teams in the past then he should be fired.

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The point is you also said you don't care what other GMs did - but you only use that one when it's pointed out that other teams didn't do that great either.  It's amusing.  

No, the point is that Breslow failed. That is the take home message. Basically he blew the chance for this version of the FLOPS to make a run for a ring. Had he done his job well we would likely have been the favorites to win a pennant, at least. 

Experts described the deadline as a disappointment and an "epic fail" for Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow,

[notin]

Just now, FredLynn said:

As I wrote if the FLOPS make the playoffs I am not going to fire him. However, if they FLOP like many FLOPS teams in the past then he should be fired.

I know I’m going out on a weak limb, but I don’t think you can fire him regardless of what he does or doesn’t do…

[notin]

Just now, FredLynn said:

No, the point is that Breslow failed. That is the take home message.

He did bring in Lowe.  Is the problem that he didn’t get a hitter on July 31?

[FredLynn]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

He did bring in Lowe.  Is the problem that he didn’t get a hitter on July 31?

Great! He brought in Lowe, a .220 hitter who was DFA'd by a non contender. I agreed with that move only because he didn't make the right moves at the TD. Its pretty clear that this team has problems scoring runs. He SHOULD have been more aggressive in obtaining someone who could hit the baseball, probably a 1Bman. Naylor was available. He whiffed on him too. We also could have used a #2 SP and some help in the pen. Had he not whiffed we could have made a significant run for a ring THIS YEAR. People whose  job performance is described as an "epic fail" generally get fired.

He blew it. Admit it. Its ok to admit you are wrong.

Experts described the deadline as a disappointment and an "epic fail" for Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow,

 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

He did bring in Lowe.  Is the problem that he didn’t get a hitter on July 31?

If Lowe wasn't DFA'd, how would he have addressed 1b? 

[notin]

11 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

No, the point is that Breslow failed. That is the take home message. Basically he blew the chance for this version of the FLOPS to make a run for a ring. Had he done his job well we would likely have been the favorites to win a pennant, at least. 

Experts described the deadline as a disappointment and an "epic fail" for Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow,

They’re in the postseason.  That outranks a weak deadline.  That outranks trading their best hitter in June, too…

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

If Lowe wasn't DFA'd, how would he have addressed 1b? 

Not sure.  Campbell? Is that really relevant?

If no team would trade him a 1b, how would he address it? Heck was signing Lowe really a no-brainer? 

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Great! He brought in Lowe, a .220 hitter who was DFA'd by a non contender. I agreed with that move only because he didn't make the right moves at the TD. Its pretty clear that this team has problems scoring runs. He SHOULD have been more aggressive in obtaining someone who could hit the baseball, probably a 1Bman. Naylor was available. He whiffed on him too. We also could have used a #2 SP and some help in the pen. Had he not whiffed we could have made a significant run for a ring THIS YEAR. People whose  job performance is described as an "epic fail" generally get fired.

He blew it. Admit it. Its ok to admit you are wrong.

Experts described the deadline as a disappointment and an "epic fail" for Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow,

 

Where the hell does that quote come from? 

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I used what other gms did for comparison. If you are going to claim you are thrilled with Breslow's haul at the TD you are lying.

Strawman.

Nobody has come close to saying Brez did well at the deadline.

Hindsight comps have been made between Lowe (who wasn't a deadline add) and others, but nobody was or  is praising Brez for his deadline deals or lack of deals.

My point, is that we don't know what was on the table, and for all I know, I might be happy he didn't give what MIN wanted for Ryan, what PIT wanted for Keller or what others wanted for Suarez, Naylor, O'Hearn or Correa, none of which have set the world on fire like Schwarber did for us in 2021.

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If Lowe wasn't DFA'd, how would he have addressed 1b? 

Lowe was just more dumpster diving. This team does a lot of that. At the time, after the TD, he was all that was left. Had Breslow done his job he wouldn't have needed Lowe

 

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If Lowe wasn't DFA'd, how would he have addressed 1b? 

 

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Where the hell does that quote come from? 

I included the link. Read the quote and weep.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Strawman.

Nobody has come close to saying Brez did well at the deadline.

Hindsight comps have been made between Lowe (who wasn't a deadline add) and others, but nobody was or  is praising Brez for his deadline deals or lack of deals.

My point, is that we don't know what was on the table, and for all I know, I might be happy he didn't give what MIN wanted for Ryan, what PIT wanted for Keller or what others wanted for Suarez, Naylor, O'Hearn or Correa, none of which have set the world on fire like Schwarber did for us in 2021.

Well at least thats an honest response. While no one is saying he did the job no one has agreed with me that he screwed up either, which he did. Basically he wasted a year of potential contention for a ring. Bottom line: he did not do his job well for the second year in a row. Whether he should get fired for his incompetence is another matter.