Red Sox (Crochet) vs Blue Jays (Scherzer): 9/24/25, 7:07pm

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

NYM +2000

DET +2000

BOS +2000

CLE +2500

$100 to win $2k is 5% implied odds, meaning you have to think our chance of winning WS is great than 5% for that to be a bet to take.

Id take it after Crochets outing yesterday. Id personally gauge our odds around 10%, which is a big difference.  But I dont think i can use fanduel in my state and i dont care enough to place a futures bet at casino or figure out a way how to get the bet in.

[Maxbialystock]

20 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Sometimes dumpster diving finds a dollar bill. But its still dumpster diving. Lowe pretty much sucked until he joined the FLOPS. Same with other dumpster treats they dove for. Occasionally they work out. Most don't.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Responding to Fred is the ultimate exercise in futility.

I know.  Sometimes it's more like you're talking to the other people on the thread rather than to the person you're responding to.  

The people that run this site should love Fred though.  He jacks up the post count with all these futile back-and-forths. 

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Can't disagree that the Sox are a longshot for the WS, but disagree vehemently that should have been the goal for this season.  I say that because Breslow in fact brought in four excellent players--Crochet, Chapman, Bregman, and Narvaez--more than any CBO I can remember doing in one season.  

In fact, this is the best Sox pitching staff since at least 2018.  The hitting has been up and down, but that's because Devers and his .905 OPS as DH were traded away after refusing to move to 1b, Bregman was out for 7 weeks and then went into a slump. Anthony, the Sox best hitter, went on the IL on Sep 2, Abreu has missed 40 games because of 2 visits to the IL, 

And let's not forget that in the Sox four WS seasons--2004, 2007, 2013, and 2018--the Sox payrolls were 2d, 2d, 3d, and 1st in MLB.  This year their payroll is 12th.   The Sox payroll in 2019 was 1st when the Sox didn't make the postseason.  

 

 

good argument.

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I know.  Sometimes it's more like you're talking to the other people on the thread rather than to the person you're responding to.  

The people that run this site should love Fred though.  He jacks up the post count with all these futile back-and-forths. 

You think its monetized like that? Hope so.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I know.  Sometimes it's more like you're talking to the other people on the thread rather than to the person you're responding to.  

The people that run this site should love Fred though.  He jacks up the post count with all these futile back-and-forths. 

True and he's so proud of injecting the word Flops in most of his posts.

[Duran Is The Man]

55 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

B+ for '25 offseason

A- for extensions

D for in season moves 

 

tha'ts pretty solid right there.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

True and he's so proud of injecting the word Flops in most of his posts.

Btw, the only thing that will provide Fred with complete satisfaction is the Sox not making the PO's. Then he can brag that he was right about the Flops from day one. He hates to admit he's wrong, which is common among narcissists.

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

$100 to win $2k is 5% implied odds, meaning you have to think our chance of winning WS is great than 5% for that to be a bet to take.

Id take it after Crochets outing yesterday. Id personally gauge our odds around 10%, which is a big difference.  But I dont think i can use fanduel in my state and i dont care enough to place a futures bet at casino or figure out a way how to get the bet in.

I don't think betting odds are a great measure TBH. 

[FredLynn]

30 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

True and he's so proud of injecting the word Flops in most of his posts.

Cheer up. That term will likely be retired for this year soon.

[mvp 78]

42 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Well, I realize the Devers trade is a hard one to evaluate based on numbers, but I still believe that was a positive move for the team. 

I'm easily affected by recent results though, I have to admit.  Just a couple days ago I was lamenting not acquiring a bat after they traded Devers.  Then they go out and play 2 great games in Toronto and it's pretty hard to complain all of a sudden.

Crazy game.  And it makes intelligent adults like we all are here talk some pretty cxrazy s**t.  🤣  

I'm just glad it's the end of September and we're still excited enough to post on here. 

[FredLynn]

40 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Btw, the only thing that will provide Fred with complete satisfaction is the Sox not making the PO's. Then he can brag that he was right about the Flops from day one. He hates to admit he's wrong, which is common among narcissists.

While denying reality is common among sewer mouthed  imbeciles like you.

When you engage in name calling I’ll respond. If you can learn to pretend you’re an adult and refrain from the name calling I’ll stop stooping down to your level.

Deal?

[mvp 78]

40 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I know.  Sometimes it's more like you're talking to the other people on the thread rather than to the person you're responding to.  

The people that run this site should love Fred though.  He jacks up the post count with all these futile back-and-forths. 

I'm just here to make sure Brock's kids have a nice Xmas this year. 🎅

[moonslav59]

48 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Speaking of Devers, he did have a very good August, but as he did here the previous two seasons, he's had a complete collapse in September.

2022: .901 in Sept

2023: .869 in Sept.

It was just 2024 (and now 2025.)

[vegasbob]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't think betting odds are a great measure TBH. 

Betting odds rarely reflect reality solely, mostly they represent a ratio that will entice different bettors to  wager on both sides equally , balancing the bookie/casino's position and letting the 10%+- vig go to the house.

It tends to incite emotional responses, not practical reasoned ones.  The pro gamblers I knew in Vegas were generally depressed sociopaths with little emotion and absolutely no empathy .

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

2022: .901 in Sept

2023: .869 in Sept.

It was just 2024 (and now 2025.)

In '24, he had a pretty good excuse for the drop off IMO. 

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

In '24, he had a pretty good excuse for the drop off IMO. 

Agreed. I'll always remember him as being pretty damn good when it counted, and the HR vs the Yanks is a classic.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I know.  Sometimes it's more like you're talking to the other people on the thread rather than to the person you're responding to.  

The people that run this site should love Fred though.  He jacks up the post count with all these futile back-and-forths. 

" futile back-and-forths. "

Its called "debate". If I believe in my position then I will defend it. You should too. There is no expectation that you will convince me that you are right nor vice versa. Sometimes there is no "right", just opinions. Futility only exists when people get frustrated that others remain unconvinced of your position.

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

They became a good team, in large part to Brez moves.

But not the moves he made on July 31st!!

Sure he built a team that could make the postseason with minimal additions throughout the season, a team that could toss aside its (apparently very whiny) best hitter and wait 3 months to replace him with a refugee from a last place team carrying a negative WAR.  Sure he kept this team afloat with clever trades (Narvaez) and a good bench and dug deep into his farm for an unprecedented number of rookies.

But July 31!! He didn’t shop enough on the one day everyone tries to rip you off!

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

But not the moves he made on July 31st!!

Sure he built a team that could make the postseason with minimal additions throughout the season, a team that could toss aside its (apparently very whiny) best hitter and wait 3 months to replace him with a refugee from a last place team carrying a negative WAR.  Sure he kept this team afloat with clever trades (Narvaez) and a good bench and dug deep into his farm for an unprecedented number of rookies.

But July 31!! He didn’t shop enough on the one day everyone tries to rip you off!

Indeed.

I actually respect a GM that tries harder to build a deep team over the winter than one who relies on deadline overpays to fill needs that should have been filled earlier.

Of course, times arise where key needs cannot or should not be ignored and strong efforts should be made to fill those needs, especially when it feel like the team may have a legitimate shot at making a strong playoff run. That last part is not always easy to determine, and opinions often vary on whether the team should buy, sell or do neither/both.

I'm gonna guess Brez tried hard to fill the needs. There was talk that he kept working for more after the M & M deals, so we know he wanted to do more, if rumors were true. I was screaming for Ryan or a fall back to Keller, and I'm kinda glad we did not make that happen. I fell I'd be a hypocrite if I bashed Brez for not getting Ryan. I know some wanted a big bat, and this was before Anthony and Abreu got hurt. Nice foresight.

I had hoped we could get a cheap bat at 1B, as I was ranting against Toro for months. Lowe was not a deadline deal, but he's done okay- kinda like Dom Smith, last year, after the Garrett Cooper failure.

Matz has done well. May has not. We got lucky that Early has done well and Tolle gave us one good start.

The team is in the best position since the HOU playoff series in 2021. We have a better record than the 2019 team, even if we go 0-4 the rest of the way. As Sox fans, we should be happy and supportive. That's not telling others how to act or be a fan, but I just don't get why the immense negativity occurs. It sucks the fun out of the room. 

[FredLynn]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Indeed.

I actually respect a GM that tries harder to build a deep team over the winter than one who relies on deadline overpays to fill needs that should have been filled earlier.

Of course, times arise where key needs cannot or should not be ignored and strong efforts should be made to fill those needs, especially when it feel like the team may have a legitimate shot at making a strong playoff run. That last part is not always easy to determine, and opinions often vary on whether the team should buy, sell or do neither/both.

I'm gonna guess Brez tried hard to fill the needs. There was talk that he kept working for more after the M & M deals, so we know he wanted to do more, if rumors were true. I was screaming for Ryan or a fall back to Keller, and I'm kinda glad we did not make that happen. I fell I'd be a hypocrite if I bashed Brez for not getting Ryan. I know some wanted a big bat, and this was before Anthony and Abreu got hurt. Nice foresight.

I had hoped we could get a cheap bat at 1B, as I was ranting against Toro for months. Lowe was not a deadline deal, but he's done okay- kinda like Dom Smith, last year, after the Garrett Cooper failure.

Matz has done well. May has not. We got lucky that Early has done well and Tolle gave us one good start.

The team is in the best position since the HOU playoff series in 2021. We have a better record than the 2019 team, even if we go 0-4 the rest of the way. As Sox fans, we should be happy and supportive. That's not telling others how to act or be a fan, but I just don't get why the immense negativity occurs. It sucks the fun out of the room. 

I have fun on the game threads. I suspect maybe you take this stuff so seriously that’s not possible for you. In that case I think you make the right decision not to go there. If it’s not fun why bother?

[moonslav59]

Just now, FredLynn said:

I have fun on the game threads. I suspect maybe you take this stuff so seriously that’s not possible for you. In that case I think you make the right decision not to go there. If it’s not fun why bother?

I see it as you taking it too seriously. I'm not sure how stewing in gloom and doom is fun, but to each his own.

[FredLynn]

39 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I see it as you taking it too seriously. I'm not sure how stewing in gloom and doom is fun, but to each his own.

Lol

So now you’re telling me what I enjoy and what I don’t? If I didn’t enjoy it on game threads I wouldn’t be there. It’s all for fun and only for fun. I support your decision not to join us.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Lol

So now you’re telling me what I enjoy and what I don’t? If I didn’t enjoy it on game threads I wouldn’t be there. It’s all for fun and only for fun. I support your decision not to join us.

Where did I say that?

I just said I'm not sure how it can be enjoyable. There is a difference. I did end with "to each his own," which implies different people enjoy different things.

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Where did I say that?

I just said I'm not sure how it can be enjoyable. There is a difference. I did end with "to each his own," which implies different people enjoy different things.

Got it. I guess you’ll have to take my word for it: it’s fun, but certainly nothing to be taken with more than a grain of salt. It’s at the bottom of my list of things that are important to me in real life. I won’t pretend that winning isn’t MORE fun, but I don’t lose sleep over losing either.

 

[Kimmi]

Just wanted to give a tip of the cap to Mr. Crochet.

He showed no signs of being worn out from the additional workload in innings this year.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

Just wanted to give a tip of the cap to Mr. Crochet.

He showed no signs of being worn out from the additional workload in innings this year.

Remember the big concern over his limited IP beforehand?

[Kimmi]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Remember the big concern over his limited IP beforehand?

It was a legitimate concern because who really knew how he would respond to the workload?  Thankfully, he looks really strong.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

It was a legitimate concern because who really knew how he would respond to the workload?  Thankfully, he looks really strong.

Yes, I had my doubts, too. It was a risky trade.

[Duran Is The Man]

6 hours ago, vegasbob said:

We are mere BB's rattling around in a 55 gallon  empty drum.   

What's amazing to me , and an incredible job by Fred, is that he has kept  the majority of active Talksoxer's hooked with his black/white, all or none propositions for pretty much the second half of the season. Many of you continue to stay hooked as if you could change Fred's mind or have  any influence whatever on what Breslow, Cora or JH actually do or don't do.

Debate and contrary opinions are the essence of fandom, as is calling guys Bums or Bell-boy , who is your pitcher in a game that could determine the first Red Sox playoff team since Covid shortened 2021.

Stay hooked if you will but it is dreadfully boring at this point.

i've always considered myself to be very critical of not so much the players, but definitely Cora and the front office, Freddy takes it to whole new level.